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Well, let me begin by saying that all my life I have stood on principle and doing that has cost me my relationship with my son. The way I see it is "If I don't live (and die) by my principles then I have no value as a person as I can be "bought" when it suits me. When I do that, I am no different (or better) than anyone else.Not a lot. The Senate will not convict. That is virtually certainty.
That pie-in-the-sky approach to Washington politics and keeping Trump in the news for the sake of principle can cause other principles to shoved aside. The reality is, Biden needs the help of Republicans to achive his principles; principles such as the war on Covid-19 and economic stimulus to the millions of Americans who are unemployed and close to losing their homes. Biden is not likely to get that help when members of his party want to convict a Republican.
Are you willing to give up those principles for the principle of trying Trump and failing?
How about this principle? The sanctity of the Office of the President.
Trump incited an insurgency against our government. That is at a minimum sedition in every court in the land. But he is being tried not in a court. He is being tried in the Senate, half of whom are Republicans. So, Trump is vindicated.
Meaning a President can do anything as long as he is properly represented in the Senate! That has already happened.
Americans lose twice. They don't get the help and they need, and the Senate spawned an all powerful President. Wonderful.
All for the sake of principle, because that is all it is.
On the other side of the coin, my principles is what brought me my wife (extremely principled woman that does not bend an inch when it comes to principles) and that has been not only the best thing that ever happened to me. I do know if she did not respect me for who I am, she and I would not be together.
Trump was a bad (if not totally evil) person and in those cases, you cannot bend or give in on the principle of fighting evil with everything you have. Evil often wins and that means that if all the people that fight for good see others giving in for their best interests, you will not find anyone in the future fighting evil and that means evil would not win often but win "all the time".
Like I said, it is not the result that counts but the path that is followed. The path of fighting evil til the last breath.
As far as your example of not impeaching the president simply because the end result is virtually guaranteed and therefore useless to impeach, the lesson learned is not what you think it is. If you decide to not impeach, it shows that when the odds are against you, you should give up. It does not mean that future presidents will try the same given that not always will the Senate (or the House) be bought.
By the way, there are 12 Republican Senators that have stated they will probably vote to impeach. The Democrats need only 5 to turn and impeach as the number of Republicans voting for impeachment is 17. This means that they might be able to convince or coherse 5 to vote for impeachment. Meaning that it is not the sure thing you are saying.
My view is that it has to be done, no matter what. Consequences do not concern me in the least. I think there is much more to gain that what is there to lose. It is a risk worth taking every single time when the stakes are what they are.