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A Reasonable Argument for Killing ObamaKare

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If I had waited for treatment from my government run healthcare system... I'd be dead.


The JournoLists won't tell us the truth, but it seeps out like an ooze through their ever widening cracks.

I wonder how great computers would be if the government were in charge of production and distribution. Cell phones? Video games (we'd be at PONG PLUS about now)? Automobiles? Sports equipment? Yet people think government can manage something far more complex... though they have proven they can barely tie their shoes (and certainly not chew gum at the same time).

Kanuckistan is a nice place if you break a bone, or have a cold... but world class healthcare it's not. For that there was the United States of America.

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The inclusion of the portmanteau neologism "ObamaKare" negates any claim for "reasonable argument".
 

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Except its a complete fabrication and she never had a life threatening condition which required immediate treatment. Now I'm not saying their system is perfect, no system is. However this is clearly a lie.

CBC News - Health - Anti-medicare ad an exaggeration: experts

"may be exaggerating"
"thinks that claim is "an exaggeration."​

Not clearly a lie, and if you've dealth with Kanuckistani Kare... you'd know it's abysmal. As Ms. Stronach why she went south of the border. Of the one-nut dude from MTV. Or why the Quebec Supremes stated a waiting list does not constitute care.

Kanuckistani Kare is typical 3rd rate socialist crap. It's easy to understand why...(in short) the government sees everything as a cost, and well... government is slow... and corrupt.

And I love the article... 6-month waiting list... having to deal with government... The Decider. A farking nightmare.

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Not clearly a lie, and if you've dealth with Kanuckistani Kare... you'd know it's abysmal. As Ms. Stronach why she went south of the border. Of the one-nut dude from MTV. Or why the Quebec Supremes stated a waiting list does not constitute care.

Kanuckistani Kare is typical 3rd rate socialist crap. It's easy to understand why...(in short) the government sees everything as a cost, and well... government is slow... and corrupt.

And I love the article... 6-month waiting list... having to deal with government... The Decider. A farking nightmare.

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Its obvious why were the only country on the planet to not have socialist healthcare... everyone else is stupid or evil or dumb and market fundamentalism is simply the best. Or it could be the fact that the private medical lobby has been fomenting a red scare over socialist healthcare of the entire century and like everything else the right believes in is just a fabrication to suit big business that cannot be dislodged at the loss of face of being a corporate american citizen slave-tool.

There? :shrug:
 

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Not clearly a lie, and if you've dealth with Kanuckistani Kare... you'd know it's abysmal. As Ms. Stronach why she went south of the border. Of the one-nut dude from MTV. Or why the Quebec Supremes stated a waiting list does not constitute care.

Kanuckistani Kare is typical 3rd rate socialist crap. It's easy to understand why...(in short) the government sees everything as a cost, and well... government is slow... and corrupt.

And I love the article... 6-month waiting list... having to deal with government... The Decider. A farking nightmare.

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I'm sorry I saw nothing in there that actually argued against my point or source, just a hissy fit of NOT-UH it can't be wrong because I say its right!.

Seriously I love your singular circular logic. "Any source that shows Canadian healthcare isn't as bad as its made out to be, is wrong because Canadaian healthcare is by matter of the fact, bad." Ok there champ, I guess you know its true since you made it up.

Here's what I want to see, go find another nuerosurgeon that says this women's condition was life threatening.
But the director of the brain tumour research centre at the Montreal Neurological Institute says he thinks that claim is "an exaggeration."

Dr. Rolando Del Maestro says the lesion Holmes was diagnosed with is benign, and usually slow-growing. It typically does not require urgent attention, he said.

But neurosurgeon Michael Schwartz of Toronto's Sunnybrook Hospital says he's never seen or heard of a death from a Rathke's cyst. He told CBC News symptoms can be alleviated if the cyst is drained or part of it removed to take pressure off the optic nerve. "Then the person's vision almost always improves.
 

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O ya I forgot to add that me and every other soldier can tell you that socialized government health care can work. Again, not saying that there should be a Canadian style in this country, BUT if one looks at the military health care system it is BOTH government run, tax payer funded, and WORKS.
 

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If I had waited for treatment from my government run healthcare system... I'd be dead.


The JournoLists won't tell us the truth, but it seeps out like an ooze through their ever widening cracks.

I wonder how great computers would be if the government were in charge of production and distribution. Cell phones? Video games (we'd be at PONG PLUS about now)? Automobiles? Sports equipment? Yet people think government can manage something far more complex... though they have proven they can barely tie their shoes (and certainly not chew gum at the same time).

Kanuckistan is a nice place if you break a bone, or have a cold... but world class healthcare it's not. For that there was the United States of America.

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If this is a reasonable argument, then an equally reasonable argument against our healthcare system is the fact that I cant afford to see a doctor when I'm sick because it's too expensive and therefore I might miss a curable life threatening condition because I couldnt afford to go to the doctor.
 

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O ya I forgot to add that me and every other soldier can tell you that socialized government health care can work. Again, not saying that there should be a Canadian style in this country, BUT if one looks at the military health care system it is BOTH government run, tax payer funded, and WORKS.

I won't disagree that the military hcs works for the military. It would be interesting to see a paper looking at the cost per soldier for health care and take that cost applied to the US population. Wonder if the US could afford it, would enough doctors want to be in such a system, would current private doctors accept the pay a military doctor receives?

Just asking.
 
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If I had waited for treatment from my government run healthcare system... I'd be dead.


The JournoLists won't tell us the truth, but it seeps out like an ooze through their ever widening cracks.

I wonder how great computers would be if the government were in charge of production and distribution. Cell phones? Video games (we'd be at PONG PLUS about now)? Automobiles? Sports equipment? Yet people think government can manage something far more complex... though they have proven they can barely tie their shoes (and certainly not chew gum at the same time).

Kanuckistan is a nice place if you break a bone, or have a cold... but world class healthcare it's not. For that there was the United States of America.

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Universal Healthcare is not going to be run by the government. It's going to be run by the medical community. Just like Medicare and Medicaid are right this very moment. Although the cost of Medicare is an albatross, the care within it is excellent.
 

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What does "Obamacare" have to do with government run health care? The public option did not pass.

The only thing that approaches "government run health care" in this country is Medicare. It is really not government run, but is government funded. It is a lot more expensive than it needs to be, due to the inefficient system we insist on keeping in place, but no more so than private insurance.

We still pay 17% of our GDP on health care, while our "socialized medicine" neighbors to the north pay 10%. We pay more than any other nation on Earth for health care, due totally to our inefficient system. "Obamacare" is not the answer, but we seriously need to reform our system before the costs eat us alive.
 

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I won't disagree that the military hcs works for the military. It would be interesting to see a paper looking at the cost per soldier for health care and take that cost applied to the US population. Wonder if the US could afford it, would enough doctors want to be in such a system, would current private doctors accept the pay a military doctor receives?

Just asking.

I have no idea, it would be interesting though. But I'm not trying to advocate that we should make a similar system for all citizens, I'm just saying government run medicine can work.

Also I love how Zimmer makes a topic, presents some TV Ade as absolute truth, is presented reality, denies reality, then runs off abandoning his position.
 

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What does "Obamacare" have to do with government run health care? The public option did not pass.

The only thing that approaches "government run health care" in this country is Medicare. It is really not government run, but is government funded. It is a lot more expensive than it needs to be, due to the inefficient system we insist on keeping in place, but no more so than private insurance.

We still pay 17% of our GDP on health care, while our "socialized medicine" neighbors to the north pay 10%. We pay more than any other nation on Earth for health care, due totally to our inefficient system. "Obamacare" is not the answer, but we seriously need to reform our system before the costs eat us alive.

See: Your signature.
 

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This advertisement is garbage. Not only is the woman's claim exaggerated, even if it were true it wouldn't mean anything. My uncle needed to go to Southeast Asia to get an organ transplant. If he had waited his turn in America, he would have died. Does that mean we should abolish American health care and make it exactly like Southeast Asian health care systems? Whaddaya think, OP? I'm guessing you'd pass on that option.
 

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Obamacare is the best thing to happen to the health industry in decades. Its a policy for the people, instead of big businesses. No Republican politician would ever put forward anything like this. It took a real people's champ like Obama who actually cares about the American people and not just big business.
 

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Obamacare is the best thing to happen to the health industry in decades. Its a policy for the people, instead of big businesses. No Republican politician would ever put forward anything like this. It took a real people's champ like Obama who actually cares about the American people and not just big business.

I agree with you most of the way. It's going to take a lot of tweaking, but it'll get there. But, really, Obama a 'real people's champ?' We part company there.
 
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