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A question on labor day. Why does the political left glorify labor and demonize capital?

aociswundumho said:
Then quit.



Private security is needed when the former workers won't get off the property and physically attack other workers. The violence is always initiated by the unions.
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People are not obligated to starve just because their employers think using them as slave labor is justified.

“Private security” routinely shooting people in the back on the flimsiest of excuses shows that to be an outright falsehood.
 
The last decades of neoliberal policies of tax cuts for the rich, deregulation and increased inequality have failed.

theconversation.com

Inequality has risen from 1970 to Trump − that has 3 hidden costs that undermine democracy

The Republican tax bill is set to worsen inequality, government data shows. It’s part of a 50-year trend that’s affecting the social fabric as well as the economy.
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Corporations are also now switching from supporting free market ideology to supporting autocrats that both dismantle democracy and take control of the economy.


www.independent.co.uk

Trump team has created a secret list ranking companies on how loyal they are

Trump has incentivized companies to invest more in the US and align with his agenda
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

 
Tigerace117 said:
People are not obligated to starve just because their employers think using them as slave labor is justified.
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Typical leftist entitlement mentality. Nobody owes you a job.

Tigerace117 said:
“Private security” routinely shooting people in the back on the flimsiest of excuses shows that to be an outright falsehood.
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Again, the violence was always initiated by the unions.
 
You wouldnt have unions if capitalists had paid comparatively decent wages, not worked women until their jaws fell off, and continually flash grifts in front of us every time some new discovery was made. Just food for thought.
 
aociswundumho said:
Typical leftist entitlement mentality. Nobody owes you a job.



Again, the violence was always initiated by the unions.
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Neoliberal economists and politcians started their movement by supporting Pinochet.

jacobin.com

Neoliberal Economists Like Milton Friedman Cheered on Augusto Pinochet’s Dictatorship

Friedrich von Hayek and Milton Friedman are the founding fathers of neoliberal economics. When Augusto Pinochet overthrew Chile’s elected government, they helped devise his economic agenda and endorsed the brutal repression that was needed to force it through.
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That corporations and those who serve them have a long history of supporting ruthless regimes and attack democracies.

jacobin.com

Chiquita Must Pay for Its Crimes in Latin America

It’s been 70 years since the CIA-backed coup in Guatemala ousted President Jacobo Árbenz. He was punished for standing up to Chiquita — but today, the firm might finally be held to account for its ties to a far-right paramilitary group in Colombia.
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While for example the Nordic countries with strong welfare states and unions ranks rank on top of democracy index.


ourworldindata.org

Democracy index

Data by the Economist Intelligence Unit. Expert estimates of the extent to which citizens can choose their political leaders in free and fair elections, enjoy civil liberties, prefer democracy over other political systems, can and do participate in politics, and have a functioning government...
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BirdinHand said:
This statement is a lie.
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Nope, it's true. It's the same pattern over and over. The workers attempt to cartelize the labor supply for a company, so the company tries to replace them, then the angelic workers refuse to leave the property and attack other people who the company hires to replace them. The violence is always started by the unions.
 
aociswundumho said:
Nope, it's true. It's the same pattern over and over. The workers attempt to cartelize the labor supply for a company, so the company tries to replace them, then the angelic workers refuse to leave the property and attack other people who the company hires to replace them. The violence is always started by the unions.
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Another lie.

The women and children that burned to death in the Ludlow Massacre where the mine owners brought in the military that then burned down the TENT ENCAMPMENTS of the miner families that had been kicked OUT of the company owned housing didn’t “attack” anyone.

They LEFT the company town. They left the company houses. They were in tent encampments - and the mine owners brought in the military and burned women and children alive in the tents.


Now please do tell us how the mine bosses were justified in burning women and children in tent encampments alive.
 
aociswundumho said:
It makes no sense. Consider this typical "pro-worker" quote:



If raw labor were all that mattered, the hardest-working societies would be the richest. They're not. What actually drives prosperity is the combination of capital, innovation, and free trade. Money and capital do create work by funding tools and factories, and startups. A farmers labor feeds his family, but it's the tractor bought with capital that feeds a city. Note also that the more labor we can replace with machines, the richer and better off we become.



The bold gets it completely backwards. People don't exist to serve trade and industry - trade and industry exist to serve people. And the proof is plain: in capitalist societies, ordinary people are both the richest and the freest. Socialists can only spout empty platitudes, but when it comes to results, capitalists win every time.
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For the benefit of other posters, would you please provide the source for these quotes?
 
aociswundumho said:
Typical leftist entitlement mentality. Nobody owes you a job.



Again, the violence was always initiated by the unions.
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Nobody is obligated to be enslaved just because conservatives think slavery is great.

That is literally not remotely true, unless you classify “going on strike” as “violence.”…and even it’s still not true.
 
Ikari said:
And it's one reason we need unions.
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Worker rights have been fought for and won by generations of Americans.

We currently have some very loud keyboard warriors that wouldn’t have survived a day in the mines, mills, etc under the conditions that the workers fought their way out of.

But those same keyboard warriors will champion policies and rhetoric that would drive OUR children and grandchildren back into those horrific conditions.

Some of us are the grandchildren and great grandchildren of those who fought for workers rights and unions and protections and won’t go back easily nor do we take the listless words of pampered keyboard warriors to heart.
 
BirdinHand said:
This statement is a lie.
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I mean, if you think striking is “violence”, I suppose it’s true.

It’s a pathetic argument, but I can see how someone could cling to it.
 
Labor is the backbone of the country. Most blue collar workers work hard and take care of their families. Its usually the white beta liberals with college degrees working in lame jobs because they studied gender ideology that see things through a marxist lens. They don't glorify labor, they hate them. But they hate capitalists more because they can't be them.
 
aociswundumho said:
Sure:

Adolf Hitler's Speech to the Workers of Berlin (10 December 1940) - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org en.wikisource.org
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The Nazis was backed by German business leaders as well as business leaders in other countries like the USA.

"German corporations, large and small, helped retool the Weimar Republic as the Third Reich. Ferdinand Porsche designed the Volkswagen, a “car for the people.” Mercedes-Benz provided Hitler and his chief lieutenants with bulletproof sedans. Hugo Boss designed the black uniforms for the SS. Krupp supplied armaments. Miele produced munitions. Allianz provided insurance for concentration camps. J.A. Topf & Sons manufactured crematoria ovens. A dismayed executive at Deutsche Bank, which was involved in the expropriation of Jewish businesses, sent a letter to the chairman of his supervisory board: “I fear we are embarking on an explicit, well- planned path toward the annihilation of all Jews in Germany.”"

www.theatlantic.com

The Oligarchs Who Came to Regret Supporting Hitler

They helped him in pursuit of profit. Many ended up in concentration camps.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

The American axis : Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and the rise of the Third Reich / Max Wallace | Smithsonian Institution

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That their are a long history of business leaders that support authoritarian movements and undermine democracy, that continue today.

www.nbcnews.com

Mapping Elon Musk's support for far-right politics across the world

The world’s richest man is trying to sway politics on six continents.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

 
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