you should freely have as many children as you can afford
but once you start imposing costs on the rest of us by breeding when you cannot pay for your spawn then the rest of us should have some say in your activities that impose costs on us
Ironically, you unconsciously allow it when you bail out EVERY last poor idiot who has a child he or she cannot afford.
It reminds me of these kids who grow up to be teen parents, jailbirds, and delinquents when their parents impart nothing to them. Just let them do whatever they want. "Parenting".
I definitely think it would be interesting. And hey - less government.
Ignore the mess it'd make. Government and taxpayer money can fix it. Apparently liberals think that it's always in supply.
What happens if someone has a child without a license Gipper?
What happens if someone has a child without a license Gipper?
What about someone with chronic paranoid schizophrenia and alcohol dependence?
What about a woman with Bipolar Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder who has already had three children for which she cannot effectively care (and they've been removed by the state and placed elsewhere)?
Mental illness, addiction, personality disorders, poverty... all of these things put children through hell. Why is the right to keep reproducing so sacrosanct?
Should people be required to qualify and obtain a license to have children? If so, what should be the standards to qualify and why?
People need a license to drive, hunt, fish, etc and society is inundated with government regulations as it is, and yet people can breed freely without regard for their ability to provide for their children and regardless of genetic health. Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.
Please tell me you aren't arguing in favor of that stance. The level of barbarism in this thread is staggering and disgusting.
I wish more than anything that we can keep the idiots from birthing - but we just have to tolerate them, anyway . . . because it's just impossible to control such a thing.
Should we have to take care of the idiots' children for them, or should we leave the children to suffer their idiot parents?
In favor of what stance?
And the children involved, what will happen to them then? The "unlicenced" children should not be forced to suffer.No benefits.
I just have to know--are you a parent yoursef? Are you a theorist or a practictioner?
Going after those individuals you cited with sterilization practices.
Well think about this: Would you rather approve of the sterilization of a person with serious impairments, or take care of his/her child after several years of abuse and/or neglect?
I realize that on a personal level this is a false dichotomy but on a societal level it is not.
And the children involved, what will happen to them then? The "unlicenced" children should not be forced to suffer.
Let's grow some consciences here, please.
I know people (including family) with serious impairments,
and I have some myself,
and know the history of eugenics.
My answer is unequivocally, I would be against sterilization, period. My family fought against professionals overextending themselves to do what they thought was best for our family by breaking us up. So no, I do not have any sympathy with your work.
I will not refrain from calling what you are asking as something that is pure evil. I mean that with all of my heart and soul.
Should we have to take care of the idiots' children for them, or should we leave the children to suffer their idiot parents?
You know something crazy - a lot of people have no clue if they're going to be a decent parent or not until they ARE a parent.
So where does it end? Every bastard created out there gets a full ride on my coattails?
I'll pass. There has to be some eggs broken to make this omelet. Once people realize that stupidity of this level essentially earns a death warrant if you don't have family that will let you leech, either they'll adjust their attitudes or they'll be made examples of in the effort that the next crop of idiots learn the lesson.
Should people be required to qualify and obtain a license to have children? If so, what should be the standards to qualify and why?
People need a license to drive, hunt, fish, etc and society is inundated with government regulations as it is, and yet people can breed freely without regard for their ability to provide for their children and regardless of genetic health. Personally, I think it would be disastrous to give the government control over reproduction, especially considering the lousy job it does with everything else. And yet, it is illogical for unhealthy and/or poverty stricken people to breed.
so let me recap a bit here.
1. Everyone, before getting pregnant has to get a license. The procedure and qualifications for which have not been discussed in much detail, as far as I can see. IMO, this would have to cover everyone. Regardless of socio-economic status or it's discriminatory. Everyone should have to go through the steps to qualify. So before say a Donald Trump or a senator/congressman, hedge fund trader or doctor could procreate, they too would have to qualify and get a license.
3. Sterilization has been brought up. In exchange for benefits. Advocating for eugenics.
It's never ok to advocate something that you know will make innocent children suffer when there is an alternative. Here in Australia, I pay approx 23-25% Tax on income earned and a 1.5% Medicare Levy. I don't go without any essentials and have more than enough money to live on. I don't live outside my means and i don't waste a lot of money. I also still manage to provide financial sponsorship towards 4 childrens education and part living expenses outside of Australia. If i had the option of earning more income on a lesser tax bracket just for me but at the expense of someone less fortunate than me then i would refuse. I understand others don't feel the same way :shrug:
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