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A Horse Race

That's fair - but the size of this polling sample is what makes it important.

As for the NDP, if they win I'll have nowhere to go. Right now I'm seriously considering leaving Ontario as the Wynne Liberals destroy this Province but if the NDP get their hands on power, similar to in Alberta, God help us.

Sorry what? The last time I checked Ontario is still doing fine. You can try Quebec they are doing economically better now that the Liberals are in power. With the NDP you even haven't even seen what they can do yet.
 
In Canada we have a right of center party, a left of center party and a party that will pretend to be anything as long as they think it can get them elected.
Or as my colleague calls them, Legal organized crime.
My only wish is that they don't win. We have lost far to many billions to their corruption.
It has been my experience that people join the Liberal Party for a career move, not because of any value system.
 
The most comprehensive poll of voters, covering over 5,100 respondents, has the Conservatives ahead with a double digit lead:

New poll shows Conservatives in lead with 38%

People in Ontario, seeing the disaster that is the Wynne Liberals, will be voting Conservative largely as they did last time. And although the Liberals are polling in the mid 20s, if it looks like the NDP is going to do well, many middle of the road Liberals will vote Conservative, as they did in 2011, to avoid having the NDP take power. The NDP at the national level in Canada would be disastrous. Fortunately, we won't have to worry about it because the Conservative majority will be returned in October.
I certainly hope you're right!!!
 
Sorry what? The last time I checked Ontario is still doing fine. You can try Quebec they are doing economically better now that the Liberals are in power. With the NDP you even haven't even seen what they can do yet.
We've certainly seen what the NDP can do in BC.
 
Sorry what? The last time I checked Ontario is still doing fine. You can try Quebec they are doing economically better now that the Liberals are in power. With the NDP you even haven't even seen what they can do yet.

I saw what the NDP did in Ontario the one chance we gave them - disastrous. I'm not looking for that trainwreck on the national level.
 
I saw what the NDP did in Ontario the one chance we gave them - disastrous. I'm not looking for that trainwreck on the national level.

And you think that there were no disasters after that!? Harris got laughed out of office he was so horrid.

As for the current corrupt Conservative government, they have simply got to go. They are a bunch of lying & arrogant sons of bitches. And those ****ing gag-worthy con-mercials make me want to vomit.
 
And you think that there were no disasters after that!? Harris got laughed out of office he was so horrid.

As for the current corrupt Conservative government, they have simply got to go. They are a bunch of lying & arrogant sons of bitches. And those ****ing gag-worthy con-mercials make me want to vomit.

LOL - tell us how you really feel.

Harris, laughed out of office - seriously? Had he not decided he'd had enough, he might still be Premier. He might as well be, since every failure Wynne and McGuinty have had has strangely been Harris' fault.

And you dare to claim the federal Conservatives are corrupt after Chretien and Shawinigate and the Sponsorship scandals? Seriously?

What corruption or scandals have plagued the Conservative government? And if you blame Harper for the Senate, I'll laugh at you.

So, that leaves you taking a flyer on the federal NDP and as an Ontarian, you can't be so stupid as to think that would be a good idea.
 
I saw what the NDP did in Ontario the one chance we gave them - disastrous. I'm not looking for that trainwreck on the national level.
The problem is that after a couple of elections go by people forget, or others don't know just how bad they really were.
 
And if you blame Harper for the Senate, I'll laugh at you.
I wouldn't blame him entirely for the senate, but I would blame him for bad acting if he thinks he fooled anybody with his recent theatrical announcement.

My view is that there's no "good" outcome, only bad ones and worse.
Conservative Majority - worst case
Conservative Minority - bad
Liberal Majority - very bad
Liberal Minority - bad
NDP anything - move away
 
I wouldn't blame him entirely for the senate, but I would blame him for bad acting if he thinks he fooled anybody with his recent theatrical announcement.

My view is that there's no "good" outcome, only bad ones and worse.
Conservative Majority - worst case
Conservative Minority - bad
Liberal Majority - very bad
Liberal Minority - bad
NDP anything - move away

Harper's doing the right thing with the Senate. Since the Supreme Court ruled that parliament alone couldn't change the Senate back in 2013, he hasn't appointed a single Senator. He's going to bleed it dry and there's nothing that the Supreme Court or anyone else can do to force him to appoint anyone. That leaves it up to the Provinces to get off their asses and do what the people want - abolish the damn thing or make it a fully elected body on a different time table from the House of Commons.

If for no other reason than to keep the Senate on the path to change, Harper and the Conservatives should and will get another majority.
 
LOL - tell us how you really feel.

Harris, laughed out of office - seriously? Had he not decided he'd had enough, he might still be Premier. He might as well be, since every failure Wynne and McGuinty have had has strangely been Harris' fault.

And you dare to claim the federal Conservatives are corrupt after Chretien and Shawinigate and the Sponsorship scandals? Seriously?

What corruption or scandals have plagued the Conservative government? And if you blame Harper for the Senate, I'll laugh at you.

So, that leaves you taking a flyer on the federal NDP and as an Ontarian, you can't be so stupid as to think that would be a good idea.

For one, they lie about the climate. Many top Canadian scientists have spoken up about how they have ben muzzled by Harper. He only gives a **** about the oil industry, and is doing zilch about other options.

Also, they have outright lied about civil servant sick leave. Even when they have been proven wrong, they are still going ahead with their cockamamy scheme of "balancing the budget," all at the mercy of middle-class Canadians. Makes the execs at Goldman Sachs cream themselves over such creative masking.

The incredibly stupid family child plan is utter crap. They are getting money all to have a lot of it taken away come tax time. It's all about winning votes in the slimiest of ways. I bet you had no issues with Poillivere going across country promoting this Canadian plan all the while wearing a Conservative Party golf shirt. Reeks of smarmy ego.
 
For one, they lie about the climate. Many top Canadian scientists have spoken up about how they have ben muzzled by Harper. He only gives a **** about the oil industry, and is doing zilch about other options.
Can you name these scientists who have been 'muzzled'?
Also, they have outright lied about civil servant sick leave. Even when they have been proven wrong, they are still going ahead with their cockamamy scheme of "balancing the budget," all at the mercy of middle-class Canadians. Makes the execs at Goldman Sachs cream themselves over such creative masking.
If an election issue is going to be decided by civil servant sick leave then you'll know it's time to fold the tents. What's cockamamie about balancing a budget? Don't you do that in your home?
 
I saw what the NDP did in Ontario the one chance we gave them - disastrous. I'm not looking for that trainwreck on the national level.

Well Bob Rae became a Liberal for one and secondly they did not have timing on their side and a recession put a drain on everything. That was also almost 20 years ago now.
 
For one, they lie about the climate. Many top Canadian scientists have spoken up about how they have ben muzzled by Harper. He only gives a **** about the oil industry, and is doing zilch about other options.

Also, they have outright lied about civil servant sick leave. Even when they have been proven wrong, they are still going ahead with their cockamamy scheme of "balancing the budget," all at the mercy of middle-class Canadians. Makes the execs at Goldman Sachs cream themselves over such creative masking.

The incredibly stupid family child plan is utter crap. They are getting money all to have a lot of it taken away come tax time. It's all about winning votes in the slimiest of ways. I bet you had no issues with Poillivere going across country promoting this Canadian plan all the while wearing a Conservative Party golf shirt. Reeks of smarmy ego.

Firstly, the climate crap is crap. Canada has no reason to destroy its economy when we produce a fraction of C02 in comparison to the US, China and India and that includes the oilsands which are vilified by eco-idiots who don't know what they're talking about.

If you think the Canadian civil service is a victim, I've got nothing to say in response to that fantasy.

As for the child care plan, I've said several times, including to my local Conservative MP, that it was bad policy and that tax relief should have been broad based, across the ranges, and not targeted. You'll get no argument from me about criticizing it in many ways.

None of that, however, changes the fact that a Conservative majority is the only rational outcome and the only likely outcome, and that's good news.
 
Well Bob Rae became a Liberal for one and secondly they did not have timing on their side and a recession put a drain on everything. That was also almost 20 years ago now.

The recession was there before they were elected and they prolonged and deepened it with their idiotic spending plans. They've learned nothing in 20 years, based on Mulcairs proposed spending on childcare, etc.
 
Can you name these scientists who have been 'muzzled'?

Canadian scientist Steve Campana quits over government muzzling - Home | The Current with Anna Maria Tremonti | CBC Radio

If an election issue is going to be decided by civil servant sick leave then you'll know it's time to fold the tents. What's cockamamie about balancing a budget? Don't you do that in your home?

It affects me and thousands more. In a big bad way. When I worked for the private sector, I had limitless days and much better benefits.
 
Firstly, the climate crap is crap. Canada has no reason to destroy its economy when we produce a fraction of C02 in comparison to the US, China and India and that includes the oilsands which are vilified by eco-idiots who don't know what they're talking about.

It's not crap. It's the most serious issue we face today.

If you think the Canadian civil service is a victim, I've got nothing to say in response to that fantasy.

I do. Only 5 days sick leave. That is a disgrace and does not save the government one single red penny.

As for the child care plan, I've said several times, including to my local Conservative MP, that it was bad policy and that tax relief should have been broad based, across the ranges, and not targeted. You'll get no argument from me about criticizing it in many ways.

It's not because they care... thy are pandering for votes.

None of that, however, changes the fact that a Conservative majority is the only rational outcome and the only likely outcome, and that's good news.[/QUOTE]
 
It has been my experience that people join the Liberal Party for a career move, not because of any value system.
I am sure there are some honest ones, but they are never and will never be the ones in charge.
 
It's not crap. It's the most serious issue we face today.



I do. Only 5 days sick leave. That is a disgrace and does not save the government one single red penny.



It's not because they care... thy are pandering for votes.

None of that, however, changes the fact that a Conservative majority is the only rational outcome and the only likely outcome, and that's good news.

Thanks for the laugh. I also enjoyed your post about how you were far better treated in the private sector yet chose a public sector career. That's rich.
 
The recession was there before they were elected and they prolonged and deepened it with their idiotic spending plans. They've learned nothing in 20 years, based on Mulcairs proposed spending on childcare, etc.

All of the NDP's spending plans aim to increase revenues as well, childcare spending will lead to increased consumer spending as parents have more disposable income and ti may allow some parents to work more or work at all, raising revenues. You have to spend money to make money, reckless cutting has to benefit to the country.
 
All of the NDP's spending plans aim to increase revenues as well, childcare spending will lead to increased consumer spending as parents have more disposable income and ti may allow some parents to work more or work at all, raising revenues. You have to spend money to make money, reckless cutting has to benefit to the country.

Yes, indeed, someone in Wonderland once claimed the very same thing. This is probably why the wild social spending spree that NDP Premier Bob Rae went on his first year in office led to the largest Provincial year end deficit in Canadian history, a downturn in the Provincial economy and the Province's credit rating, and led to the enforcement of "Rae Days" on the entire public service in the Province, taking 2 weeks salary out of the hands of every man and woman employed by the Province directly and indirectly in Provincially funded boards and agencies as well as creating workplace unrest for years. That certainly increased income and disposable income of those 500,000 or so employees.

One frequently has to wonder what planet the left resides on when such theories are floated.
 
Yes, I understand they have larger economies and larger economies than any other countries anywhere. What does that mean? The fact is that Harper as completed trade deals with several countries since he took office in order to rely less on the American economy, which is a very good thing.

But not really the point. If 90lb skinny Billy is laying in bed with 500lb big Bertha, which partners tossing and turning will be of most significance? You've got it.

No, they are not clear. They may be clear to you in your mind but it may not mean the same to me. When you ear the word 'racist', for example, do you think of 'right wing' or 'left wing'?

Black or Jew are often used with mal intent, which may say something about the mind of the speaker, but in no way changes the actual meaning of those terms. When someone talks about the left or right wing, you have no way of knowing their sentiments until they articulate them. They are political terms, simple as that.

Why mention anything in the US when discussing Canada? I find this happens too often when discussing Canadian politics.

It is because we are discussing general political issues, not those limited to just one country, and the US is easy because it often has the most flagrant and colorful examples.

They were Americans and life was difficult all over the world at the time, though in fact it was still better in the New World than anywhere else

The point is it was awful under unrestrained capitalism, and has been well documented by a number of writers over the years. The slums of New York, or the industrial cities of the midlands in England are prime examples, but we had our own......
 
No, i am not 'dependent'. There are some things in society which makes it run more smoothly and we do pay for that with a spirit of cooperation. If I depended on the government, which I don't, I would be concerned. To put my life or future in the government's hands would be foolish. You dd well buy mentioning these services, btw, because most mention police or firemen.

You may (and I suspect many on the right wing do) find some sort of personal discomfort with the idea of community and interlocking dependency, for whatever reason, but a pragmatic and dispassionate review of the facts leaves no doubt that you are indeed "dependent" in many significant ways. Some (many) things do indeed make society run smoother, and the private sector is not interested in a lot of them, because there is little or no market impetus for them. Hence you are "dependent" on the military, and yes, police and fire services, the criminal justice system, hospitals, schools, research and testing labs, engineers, financial professionals, and many others. And again, many of these work in the public sector, because if you suggested such endevours to an entrepreneur, he would likely say something like: Huh? Where's the quick buck?

And to take one more step back, what is this paranoid fear of government all about anyway? You'd be more realistic fearing the corporate sector, because at least with government, you have a modest degree of sway by voting. And if you really think it is all down the scuppers, start your own party, and see if it flies.

Yes, but are they sustainable now that the boomers are retiring and fewer will be paying taxes. Europe has similar problems because people have learned to expect the government to look after them and now they can't and the Americans, at least among the Republicans, are finally discussing the problem.. We must be sure in Canada that Canadians plan ahead and don;t rely on the government. If they can pay, fine, but it would be unwise to put all our eggs in that basket.

What? A lot of boomers are better of the gen x'ers, who are today struggling with technological change, and political demagoguery. And no, Europeans have not come to expect "government" will look after them, they have molded society to a more democratic and egalitarian model, one that works, and has for some time. Much of the debt floating around their today is the result of the public purse bailing out a wasteful and irresponsible entrepreneurial class- the socialization of private debt.

As for planning ahead, a question: what is the best way to run an insurance company? The most basic principle is spread risk around. How best to do this? Ultimately have everyone in the country a member of the plan. How to do this in a democratic (and often disinterested or apathetic) society? Make it mandatory. Yes, that's right, the dreaded "s" word. Everyone pays just a small amount, and everyone benefits big time, even if they would have opted out, because they were too young, too foolish, didn't hear the news, were mathematically challenged, thought they would never need it, etc.

That's why public programs like the CPP, or employment insurance have been so successful and useful through the years. But don't feel dependent if that riles you. Just think of yourself as a stakeholder in a big enterprise.

I know of no one who is against science and technology but we needn't depend on government for that. All mortgages in Canada are, at this point, dubious.

In a philosophical sense, we don't need government for science research, but down here on earth we actually do. That is because much basic research shows no initial promise of making money, or being worth anything at all. All the same, it must be done, as that is what becomes a basis for further work, and sometimes a (profitable) breakthrough. That's why much basic work is done in state funded universities.

It is a waste of life. Mark Steyn explains it well, and is amusing at the same time. The Post-Work Economy | National Review Online

Waste huh? I wonder if apprentices in Germany, or university students in Sweden, or those in need of medical care in Britain, and all getting their need met, and life enhanced, by the inefficiencies of social programs would agree with you.
 
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