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A good guy with a gun, indeed.

poppopfox said:
The topic is guns, show me a gun that cannot be used to tear through flesh from a distance.

So that is their purpose.

The Native Americans lost their lives, cultures and their territories to firearms designed to kill. As to the bolded - emotional tripe. ;)

Ghandi and his people did quite well using nonviolence to wrest freedom from their British oppressors. Civil rights came about in this country due to sit-ins, marches and nonviolent protests.

Firearms allow freedom to come about? Tell that to all the parents in this country that have lost children to the violence that comes along with that freedom.

Animal populations that were naturally controlled before humans with guns interfered. How did that work out for the buffalo?

Family cohesion? That's a stretch you should further explain. I sense an NRA ad in there somewhere. ;)

No, it is not like those other tools, if it were we would see more of those items you mentioned and less guns at crime scenes, but we don't. Why is that?

Your tired old repetitive talking points are just that. ☮️
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Some civil rights activists credit armed defense as creating the space to allow those non-violent protests to have a chance.

prospect.org

Armed Resistance in the Civil Rights Movement: Charles E. Cobb and Danielle L. McGuire on Forgotten History

Cobb, author of This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed: How Guns Made the Civil Rights Movement Possible, and Danielle McGuire, a historian at Wayne State University, discuss the fundamental role of armed resistance in the civil rights movement.
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That's why when defiance started to emerge in the postwar period, activists who considered themselves part of a nonviolent movement were very committed to armed self-defense. There was a group called Deacons for Defense and Justice in Louisiana that was dedicated to the idea of protecting nonviolent organizers but was formed around the notion of armed resistance to white supremacist terrorism. There was an unnamed group in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, that protected Martin Luther King's Southern Christian Leadership Conference chapter with guns.
 
jaeger19 said:
So ypu are saying that millions of law abiding citizens..who own firearms and never kill anyone..are using their firearms incorrectly?
Please explain.
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Primary purpose is to kill all other purposes below it
 
RF667799 said:
So? Nothing wrong with hunting. Killing animals.

So many anti gun zealots try to conflate it with murder.
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I’m not against hunting.
 
RF667799 said:
Then, "primary purpose to kill" isn't a negative statement, even if it is true.
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It’s not. It depends on context.

But, that’s the reason cars and guns should be treated different. Guns purpose is to be efficient at murder. A cars purpose is to get you places fast.
 
Winston said:
There would be growing pains but beneficial for future generations
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I'd be willing to bet the someone willing to commit murder, our most severely punished crime, will simply not be stopped by the lesser charge of firearm possession AFTER the confiscation happens. What do you think?

I also believe that criminals will get guns after any confiscation period as easy as getting Cobain. What do you think?

The only ones that will be stripped of guns are law abiding civilians. What do you think?
 
Winston said:
It’s not. It depends on context.

But, that’s the reason cars and guns should be treated different. Guns purpose is to be efficient at murder. A cars purpose is to get you places fast.
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Damn. Just damn.

I gave you credit for not launching into dishonest conflation.

But here you go....
 
RF667799 said:
Those are the mass shootings you think are the most urgent to address?
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Yes. I want to address them all. But I have no delusion that we will pass sweeping gun law reform overnight.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Yes. I want to address them all. But I have no delusion that we will pass sweeping gun law reform overnight.
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Why are those the most urgent to address, when they aren't even statistically significant?
 
poppopfox said:
And the use of firearms has allowed that figure to climb into the millions.
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Millions? Only if you include war.

poppopfox said:
Wrong, it is people with guns that kill.
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And people with knives. And people with cars. And people with baseball bats.

The common denominator is people, nothing else.

poppopfox said:
Let me know when folks start using their cars to run down people inside schools, churches and shopping malls, then I'll take another look at that false analogy.
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Of course that does not happen inside of places, so that is a false claim.

But there have been many cases of multiple homicides by vehicle, by people driving purposefully into crowds.

One of the most spectacular was in France in 2016, when a Tunisian terrorist drove into a crowd of people celebrating Bastille Day and killed 86 people. And in the US there was a similar attack in New York that killed 8.

Have you forgotten Charlottesville already?

Just admit it, you are obsessed with guns, and nothing else.
 
Galactic Spin said:
Yes. I want to address them all. But I have no delusion that we will pass sweeping gun law reform overnight.
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How about sweeping mental health reform?

Or even passing a law mandating the maximum prosecution and incarceration of those convicted of gun related offenses?

I think those would do a hell of a lot more than passing yet more gun laws that prosecutors will ignore.
 
RF667799 said:
Damn. Just damn.

I gave you credit for not launching into dishonest conflation.

But here you go....
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It’s the gun nuts who bring cars up. I just rebut them
 
Winston said:
Primary purpose is to kill all other purposes below it
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That "primary purpose" accounts for about 0.01% of the actual uses on an annual basis. I think you're reaching with this claim.
 
Rucker61 said:
That "primary purpose" accounts for about 0.01% of the actual uses on an annual basis. I think you're reaching with this claim.
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What else is it good for? Paperweight?
 
Winston said:
a big difference between conservatives and liberals is how individualistic vs. collectivist they are.

I don't fear death. If I went, so be it. I have no family to provide for. Life would go on.

However, I look at it from the viewpoint of others. Many innocent lives have been taken. It's not a matter of fear. It's a matter of what's right and wrong. And our country is wrong to allow guns to be bought and sold so freely, because so many innocent people are killed because of it.
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Bought and sold freely is not the cause of gun deaths.

I am actually in favor of examining certain restrictions.

But the self-righteous left causes me to be very very careful.
 
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