A few simple questions for those afraid of transvestites using the "wrong" bathroom and molesting children

[Cardinal]

Which problem is speculative, and which is real? Transvestites molesting children in public restrooms, or priests molesting little boys? How often does either happen? And final question: which of these two problems are you fired up about?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Ugh, this will become another pissing contest. Both are wrong. Which happens more often? I would need to find a site that gives those stats, otherwise it's speculation, but I will nevertheless speculate:

VERY FEW STORIES have ever come out about Transgenders molesting kids in bathrooms. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened or can't happen. But it's rare.
Stories of priests and pastors? Too many to count. Seriously. Any Google search will show just how many examples there are.

However, because one is worse doesn't mean the other can be excused, no matter how rare. It also shouldn't be an excuse for Transphobes to get on their soapboxes and slander an entire demographic.

 

[Cardinal]

Ugh, this will become another pissing contest. Both are wrong. Which happens more often? I would need to find a site that gives those stats, otherwise it's speculation, but I will nevertheless speculate:

VERY FEW STORIES have ever come out about Transgenders molesting kids in bathrooms. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened or can't happen. But it's rare.
Stories of priests and pastors? Too many to count. Seriously. Any Google search will show just how many examples there are.

However, because one is worse doesn't mean the other can be excused, no matter how rare. It also shouldn't be an excuse for Transphobes to get on their soapboxes and slander an entire demographic.

All of which spectacularly misses the point, which is to be expected if you don't know the stats.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

All of which spectacularly misses the point, which is to be expected if you don't know the stats.

Transvestites molesting children in public restrooms, or priests molesting little boys?

Tell me again how I missed the point?

 

[noonereal]

Transvestites molesting children in public restrooms

Those that worry about such things...

I don't know what to say, it's so ridiculous.

 

[Cardinal]

Tell me again how I missed the point?

You're both-sidsing a speculative and an objectively real and measured problem, and as you yourself said, you don't even know the scale of the problems. So before jumping to THEY'RE BOTH BAD," maybe you should look into the respective scales.

Now, perhaps you can show me some legitimate instances of transvestites molesting children in public restrooms. Okay. It's a big world and maybe that's happened. But at what rate is this happening compared to priests molesting little boys?

Just as important question: at what rate is this happening compared to non-transvestites molesting children in public restrooms?

 

[Davin]

What’s amusing is the same people that think a trans woman shouldn’t use the women’s restroom are the same folks who would freak out if a trans man uses the women’s restroom.

 

[TheGoverness]

Which problem is speculative, and which is real? Transvestites molesting children in public restrooms, or priests molesting little boys? How often does either happen? And final question: which of these two problems are you fired up about?

I don't know about you, but I live in constant fear of a transgender deviant coming into whatever restroom I am in, and invading my stall to commit transgender crimes.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

You're both-sidsing a speculative and an objectively real and measured problem, and as you yourself said, you don't even know the scale of the problems. So before jumping to THEY'RE BOTH BAD," maybe you should look into the respective scales.

Now, perhaps you can show me some legitimate instances of transvestites molesting children in public restrooms. Okay. It's a big world and maybe that's happened. But at what rate is this happening compared to priests molesting little boys?

Just as important question: at what rate is this happening compared to non-transvestites molesting children in public restrooms?

VERY FEW STORIES have ever come out about Transgenders molesting kids in bathrooms. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened or can't happen. But it's rare.
Stories of priests and pastors? Too many to count. Seriously. Any Google search will show just how many examples there are.

However, because one is worse doesn't mean the other can be excused, no matter how rare. It also shouldn't be an excuse for Transphobes to get on their soapboxes and slander an entire demographic.

Answered.

 

[Cardinal]

Answered.

Just as important question: at what rate is this happening compared to non-transvestites molesting children in public restrooms? I admit I probably should have opened with this question, because it pre-empts the "However, because one is worse doesn't mean the other can be excused, no matter how rare" point. If the rates are the same but the concern is still there, then that would be an argument against public restrooms in totum.

 

[HIP56948]

Most modern bathrooms I've been in have doors that lock, large partitions between the urination stalls
and other amenities.
Seems like that would be the easiest place to get caught doing some weird crap?
Rather like robbing a bank with your deposit slip.

 

[Cardinal]

Most modern bathrooms I've been in have doors that lock, large partitions between the urination stalls
and other amenities.
Seems like that would be the easiest place to get caught doing some weird crap?
Rather like robbing a bank with your deposit slip.

That's an argument that accepts the danger of transvestites as given, and I've seen nothing to suggest that it is.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Ugh, this will become another pissing contest. Both are wrong. Which happens more often? I would need to find a site that gives those stats, otherwise it's speculation, but I will nevertheless speculate:

VERY FEW STORIES have ever come out about Transgenders molesting kids in bathrooms. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened or can't happen. But it's rare.
Stories of priests and pastors? Too many to count. Seriously. Any Google search will show just how many examples there are.

However, because one is worse doesn't mean the other can be excused, no matter how rare. It also shouldn't be an excuse for Transphobes to get on their soapboxes and slander an entire demographic.

The point

If letting transgenders use a bathroom might lead to molestation on a very rare basis, and it should be stopped due to that risk, should not priests be forbidden from being around children for the not as rare chance of that leading to molestation. It is a higher risk

 

[HIP56948]

That's an argument that accepts the danger of transvestites as given, and I've seen nothing to suggest that it is.

I understand what you're saying but here in Florida, I've heard many people (And letters to the Editor) that
TRY to associate Trans, Gay with pedophiles and other nasty labels. Certainly not the norm but enough to
shake your brain. (Ah geeezz..this stuff again)

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

The point

If letting transgenders use a bathroom might lead to molestation on a very rare basis, and it should be stopped due to that risk, should not priests be forbidden from being around children for the not as rare chance of that leading to molestation. It is a higher risk

I wish people would stop doing this, I think in the lexicon it's called a strawman argument, in short, not an argument I made. In plain english, putting words in my mouth. NOwhere in the comment you responded to did I suggest "it should be stopped due to the risk." In fact, for EVERYONE'S safety, including the safety of Transgender people, facilities should move quickly to provide ALL GENDER bathrooms. They already have bathrooms for the disabled (that didn't exist 50 years ago) and Family bathrooms for parents and their little ones. In fact in my home town here in Canada, our local college already converted ALL it's washrooms to ALL GENDER washrooms without a parent protest or angry Transphobes. And is accepted by all.

 

[Cardinal]

I wish people would stop doing this, I think in the lexicon it's called a strawman argument, in short, not an argument I made. In plain english, putting words in my mouth. NOwhere in the comment you responded to did I suggest "it should be stopped due to the risk." In fact, for EVERYONE'S safety, including the safety of Transgender people, facilities should move quickly to provide ALL GENDER bathrooms. They already have bathrooms for the disabled (that didn't exist 50 years ago) and Family bathrooms for parents and their little ones. In fact in my home town here in Canada, our local college already converted ALL it's washrooms to ALL GENDER washrooms without a parent protest or angry Transphobes. And is accepted by all.

He didn't make a straw man. He was clarifying a point he took from the thread.

You're all over the place today. What's up?

 

[MamboDervish]

I understand what you're saying but here in Florida, I've heard many people (And letters to the Editor) that
TRY to associate Trans, Gay with pedophiles and other nasty labels. Certainly not the norm but enough to
shake your brain. (Ah geeezz..this stuff again)

And this is all part and parcel to transphobia. Being trans does not make someone a pedophile. They are entirely different and unrelated things.

The most dangerous sexual predator on the planet is a so-called "straight"man. Always has been - always will be.

 

[mrjurrs]

You're both-sidsing a speculative and an objectively real and measured problem, and as you yourself said, you don't even know the scale of the problems. So before jumping to THEY'RE BOTH BAD," maybe you should look into the respective scales.

Now, perhaps you can show me some legitimate instances of transvestites molesting children in public restrooms. Okay. It's a big world and maybe that's happened. But at what rate is this happening compared to priests molesting little boys?

Just as important question: at what rate is this happening compared to non-transvestites molesting children in public restrooms?

Both of these are specious. It's family or known persons most likely to molest children.

 

[Cardinal]

Both of these are specious. It's family or known persons most likely to molest children.

Priests fit that description, actually (the second part of course).

 

[Simpletruther]

Which problem is speculative, and which is real? Transvestites molesting children in public restrooms, or priests molesting little boys? How often does either happen? And final question: which of these two problems are you fired up about?

I wouldn't leave my kid alone with a priest for anything.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

He didn't make a straw man. He was clarifying a point he took from the thread.

You're all over the place today. What's up?

If letting transgenders use a bathroom might lead to molestation on a very rare basis, and it should be stopped due to that risk

Can we stop this now? Clearly twisting my words or making suggestions I didn't make is what you guys are all about. A shame too, as I as far left as any of you. But it gets embarrassing after a while going back n forth with people who want to INSIST I said something I didn't say. Cheers.

 

[Cardinal]

Can we stop this now? Clearly twisting my words or making suggestions I didn't make is what you guys are all about. A shame too, as I as far left as any of you. But it gets embarrassing after a while going back n forth with people who want to INSIST I said something I didn't say. Cheers.

Dude, take an ambien. Nobody's putting words in your mouth.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Which problem is speculative, and which is real? Transvestites molesting children in public restrooms, or priests molesting little boys? How often does either happen? And final question: which of these two problems are you fired up about?

Ah, loaded questions. Typical of the leftwing, figures.

 

[Simpletruther]

Which problem is speculative, and which is real? Transvestites molesting children in public restrooms, or priests molesting little boys? How often does either happen? And final question: which of these two problems are you fired up about?

I doubt transvestites have a higher rate of molesting than the general public.

 

[Cardinal]

I doubt transvestites have a higher rate of molesting than the general public.

I doubt that too. And if that's the case (and I think it is), then you'd rationally have to accept one of two conclusions: 1) The fear of trans-people is irrational, or 2) Ban public bathrooms.