A few first thoughts on the new race for President

[daeler]

Then there should be a perfectly rational explanation why she thought pointing out she had never been to Europe was relevant to the conversation. Can you speculate on what that explanation might be?

Didn't I already mention this? It seemed like a bit of sarcasm, "you haven't been to the border" "yeah I haven't been to Europe either. What is your point?"

You probably would have gotten an explanation if the video continued past that point. Seems the video was cut to avoid context.

 

[jpevans]

Didn't I already mention this? It seemed like a bit of sarcasm, "you haven't been to the border" "yeah I haven't been to Europe either. What is your point?"

You probably would have gotten an explanation if the video continued past that point. Seems the video was cut to avoid context.

Nat is so enamored of his opinion that he’ll be bringing it up during her term of office & into her reelection campaign.

 

[daeler]

Nat is so enamored of his opinion that he’ll be bringing it up during her term of office & into her reelection campaign.

I just can't understand why anyone would think Kamala is unintelligent. Nat is free to have his opinion, I just disagree.

Sometimes it is fun to debate Nat as he is fairly honest.

 

[hooligan]

Sometimes it is fun to debate Nat as he is fairly honest.

"Fairly" is doing quite a bit of work there, based on my interactions.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

it's quite simple. I promised myself I would never vote for someone whom I believe is unqualified for office.

It's a liberating feeling, BTW, I highly recommend it.

I would never vote for a candidate who tried to stay in power after the people voted him out.
That right there is the ultimate disqualifier.
I'm perplexed that Trump supporters don't feel that way.

 

[daeler]

"Fairly" is doing quite a bit of work there, based on my interactions.

Semantic arguments can cause issues. Nat just sees things in a different way than you are seeing it.

He has a point, the voters haven't actually chosen Kamala as president through the primary, if she ran it is likely she wouldn't win. Being VP affords her the option of skipping the primary and just becoming the incumbent.

The flip side is people knowing Biden is old there was always the option that Kamala would be taking over so.....

 

[mike2810]

Under biden every product, service , insurance policy , home repair, car repair, has gone up in price drastically. Every medical policy is way up.

True. Just maybe the world wide pandemic (covid) and the impact on the world economy might have had something to do with it.
Maybe the private sector paying higher wages had something to do with increase prices.

Home ownership and buying a new car is out of the question for many people.

As far as home. If you own your home are you not glad to see it increase in value. If you are still paying off a home loan are you not happy that the increase in value added to your home equity?

As far as cars. Yes, they cost more. Just maybe one should purchase a vehicle they can afford. I pay myself a car payment. After 7-10 years I have enough to purchase a different vehicle with cash.

Pocket book issues matter for most people not rainbow parades in June

Yes pocket book issues matter. Do you realize the federal tax laws have not changed from what Trump was able to put in place?
Do you realize that savings have been paying better now than when Trump was President.

Blame Congress or the federal spending. They are the ones who write and pass spending Bills which the President can either sign or veto.

 

[hooligan]

Semantic arguments can cause issues. Nat just sees things in a different way than you are seeing it.

He has a point, the voters haven't actually chosen Kamala as president through the primary, if she ran it is likely she wouldn't win. Being VP affords her the option of skipping the primary and just becoming the incumbent.

The flip side is people knowing Biden is old there was always the option that Kamala would be taking over so.....

The delegates are/were free to vote for whomever they like, right?

That so many of them have already pledged for Kamala speaks volumes, IMO. Add to that the campaign funds that have come in since Sunday, etc, etc, etc. It doesn't appear - at least for now - that Kamala is suffering from any sort of lack of support.

But I was more directly referencing his blatant and intentional misrepresentations of things I had posted.

 

[CaughtInThe]

This didn't even occur to me but now that Kamala has excited so many voters the ones that haven't been paying attention are now gonna get to see all of Trump's insanity and evil. The stuff that we political geeks have known forever.

 

[Aurora]

True. Just maybe the world wide pandemic (covid) and the impact on the world economy might have had something to do with it.
Maybe the private sector paying higher wages had something to do with increase prices.

As far as home. If you own your home are you not glad to see it increase in value. If you are still paying off a home loan are you not happy that the increase in value added to your home equity?

As far as cars. Yes, they cost more. Just maybe one should purchase a vehicle they can afford. I pay myself a car payment. After 7-10 years I have enough to purchase a different vehicle with cash.


Yes pocket book issues matter. Do you realize the federal tax laws have not changed from what Trump was able to put in place?
Do you realize that savings have been paying better now than when Trump was President.

Blame Congress or the federal spending. They are the ones who write and pass spending Bills which the President can either sign or veto.

So your house doubles in value,, the property tax and insurance costs go up with it. If you want live in your house the cost to do so just zoomed. So some apparent value is higher. Selling and buying another doesn't benefit you. Only the realtor.

 

[Aurora]

True. Just maybe the world wide pandemic (covid) and the impact on the world economy might have had something to do with it.
Maybe the private sector paying higher wages had something to do with increase prices.

As far as home. If you own your home are you not glad to see it increase in value. If you are still paying off a home loan are you not happy that the increase in value added to your home equity?

As far as cars. Yes, they cost more. Just maybe one should purchase a vehicle they can afford. I pay myself a car payment. After 7-10 years I have enough to purchase a different vehicle with cash.


Yes pocket book issues matter. Do you realize the federal tax laws have not changed from what Trump was able to put in place?
Do you realize that savings have been paying better now than when Trump was President.

Blame Congress or the federal spending. They are the ones who write and pass spending Bills which the President can either sign or veto.

Jan 1 2026 the Trump tax cuts sunset. The tax brackets go up about 3% points as well as standard deduction gets slashed. Kamala will never renew the tax cut.

Kamala will never shut down the migrations. She is for education and healthcare for illegals and migrants and citizenship. Poor Americans can go to hell.

 

[Aurora]

And under trump, we had a massive pandemic.

Difference is - Biden had nothing to do with inflation, but Trump DID completely mismanage pandemic and ended up killing 100,000s EXTRA people unnecessarily... err... on purpose (when his team thought it would affect blue states more)

Nonsense, deaths under biden were appalling. Under biden vaccines were starting to be offered. Vaccines Trump got rolling. Trump got the ventilators and hospital ships introduced early on. People like Cuomo killed off the elderly in nursing homes.

 

[Aurora]

Harris is both more qualified and likeable than she's given credit for. Once folks see enough of her, the MAGA types will hate her more, but normal people will see a woman who wants the best for her country. On the other side you have an unstable incompetent goon, and convicted felon. The choice should be clear to sane Americans.

Despite the right wing media and Trump campaign painting her as a "radical leftist", those grounded in reality know this to be bullshit, and she's very centrist. Certainly not my first pick, but a HUGE bit better than Trump.

IDK what kind of temporary insanity has anyone believing that tariffs on all foreign goods is not going to hurt the economy badly and not drive crazy inflationary pricing, but it's just moronic.

The GOP also wants to reduce the tax brackets to just three. If you look into the actual realities of that, it raises taxes, of course on the lowest earners, while of course handing huge giveaways to top earners. Again lunatic economics! The typical GOP. 'raise taxes, raise spending" magical garbage that never helps us other than the elite. IDK how they sell it, but a lot of fools buy in...

I'm optimistic, that Ms.Harris will help us narrowly avoid disaster with her boring centrist approach, that may not hugely improve things, but at least won't drive us in deeper into a hole of mad policy and corruption for Trumpy's pockets and cronies...

She will do what she is told. She is pure MIGA make illegals great again.

 

[mike2810]

So your house doubles in value,, the property tax and insurance costs go up with it. If you want live in your house the cost to do so just zoomed. So some apparent value is higher. Selling and buying another doesn't benefit you. Only the realtor.

If that is what you believe, I cannot help you.

Again, you are not looking at the complete economic picture.

 

[Aurora]

If that is what you believe, I cannot help you.

Again, you are not looking at the complete economic picture.

Some win , some lose. Majority lose. So a cd earns 5.2% inflation is three times that. Savings requires people to even have surplus money after expenses.

 

[mike2810]

Jan 1 2026 the Trump tax cuts sunset. The tax brackets go up about 3% points as well as standard deduction gets slashed. Kamala will never renew the tax cut.

You do realize it is Congress who writes the tax laws. So why has the GOP letting this happen?

Kamala will never shut down the migrations.

Is that you Trump? You have not a clue what Harris would do or not do.

She is for education and healthcare for illegals and migrants and citizenship. Poor Americans can go to hell.

source is ?

Let's say Trump gets elected in 2024. Will you hold him accountable to things he has said so far in his campaign?
- He said some Americans held by Russia would be released and back home immediately after he wins the election and before being sworn in.
- He claims he will within a few days end the Ukraine war and bring peace to the middle east.

My point. There are many things that a President needs Congressional to pass legislation for them to accomplish.
You or I do not know exactly what Trump or Harris will do if elected. They may try, but they might not succeed on all things.

 

[Aurora]

You do realize it is Congress who writes the tax laws. So why has the GOP letting this happen?

Is that you Trump? You have not a clue what Harris would do or not do.

source is ?

Let's say Trump gets elected in 2024. Will you hold him accountable to things he has said so far in his campaign?
- He said some Americans held by Russia would be released and back home immediately after he wins the election and before being sworn in.
- He claims he will within a few days end the Ukraine war and bring peace to the middle east.

My point. There are many things that a President needs Congressional to pass legislation for them to accomplish.
You or I do not know exactly what Trump or Harris will do if elected. They may try, but they might not succeed on all things.

Congress is already on a knife edge. Presidents have veto power. Kamala has never been outspoken on stopping the chaos at the border. Just a few weak statements. " don't come" total loser like her boss.

 

[mike2810]

Some win , some lose. Majority lose. So a cd earns 5.2% inflation is three times that. Savings requires people to even have surplus money after expenses.

really, last time I looked inflation is not 15.6%. You seem to use Trump math.

I don't know your financial situation, but I get the feeling you are living beyond your means.
it is very possible to get debt free if you try. I suspect you do not choice to do so.

We were debt free years before we retired. We lived below our means. Got debt free 10 years before we retired. Still live debt free.
To this day we bring in more than we spend in retirement. We are not rich but we are not poor.

 

[renee]

Two PhD parents (biology and economics), herself a qualified lawyer with dual degrees in economics and political science and a long career as District Attorney, Attorney General, Senator and Vice President... and your assessment is "too limited intellectually."

No need to point out the obvious, I suppose. You're in a safe blue state anyway, aren't you?

Isn’t it fascinating that they refer to Ms. Harris who has amazing credentials. I especially love when they say she’s not smart. It just shows how limited they are in intellectually.

 

[mike2810]

Congress is already on a knife edge.

and why is that? Seems members have failed to recognize they are their for the American people and not some personal agenda.

Presidents have veto power.

and Congress can override veto's if the Bill has enough support.

When is the last time a President Vetoed a Bill (spending or otherwise)

Kamala has never been outspoken on stopping the chaos at the border. Just a few weak statements. " don't come" total loser like her boss.

and........... people can change as they get new jobs.

Trump claims he wants to unite us and be President for all Americans. Do you believe him? In the past Trump ran on if you are not MAGA you are against America.

 

[Aurora]

really, last time I looked inflation is not 15.6%. You seem to use Trump math.

I don't know your financial situation, but I get the feeling you are living beyond your means.
it is very possible to get debt free if you try. I suspect you do not choice to do so.

We were debt free years before we retired. We lived below our means. Got debt free 10 years before we retired. Still live debt free.
To this day we bring in more than we spend in retirement. We are not rich but we are not poor.

Been debt free including home for 32 years. I'll be ok. Many won't. When SS gives an 8% COLA that's well below reality. Govt math is what is in question.
When I go to price car servicing, a set of tires, a chain saw, tree work, prices are massively higher. Now price food.

 

[Aurora]

and why is that? Seems members have failed to recognize they are their for the American people and not some personal agenda.

and Congress can override veto's if the Bill has enough support.

When is the last time a President Vetoed a Bill (spending or otherwise)

and........... people can change as they get new jobs.

Trump claims he wants to unite us and be President for all Americans. Do you believe him? In the past Trump ran on if you are not MAGA you are against America.

The election is a binary decision . Kamala offers nothing. Maybe an abortion. If that excites Americans, we are in trouble.

 

[Aurora]

Didn't I already mention this? It seemed like a bit of sarcasm, "you haven't been to the border" "yeah I haven't been to Europe either. What is your point?"

You probably would have gotten an explanation if the video continued past that point. Seems the video was cut to avoid context.

Our border is our country, a country she swore an oath to defend.

 

[daeler]

Our border is our country, a country she swore an oath to defend.

I think you quoted the wrong post.

 

[mike2810]

The election is a binary decision . Kamala offers nothing. Maybe an abortion. If that excites Americans, we are in trouble.

And how is that different from Trump.

- mass deportation of illegals. Ok, how is it going to be done and at what cost?
- Free US prisoners in Russia before taking office and right after winning the election. Easy to say, can't see if he can do it till he is elected.
- Trump back in 2016 promised to bring back the Coal and Steel industry. Did not really happen.
- Lower taxes again for all of us. Congress has problems passing budgets now and keeps adding to the debt with their spending.
- Balance the budget, reduce the debt. Where is the detailed budget for that?
- Lower and better health care, Where is the plan?
and the list could go on.