A few first thoughts on the new race for President

[hooligan]

She will have been nominated, she will not have won those delegates as a consequence of winning state primaries. Not sure why you can't see that, but it's clear you don't want to.

I see it, it's simply irrelevant - on more than one front.

 

[hooligan]

So you are agreeing that nobody is qualified to be president? I am not sure what this is supposed to mean.

It appears to be an attempt to create equivalence between Harris and Trump. I can't see another reason.

 

[ElChupacabra]

With what's at stake in this election, the country could not stand a chance under another liberal democrat presidency. Even if there are some who don't like Trump for one reason or another, even moderate democrats, the Republican, Conservative ticket is the only choice. The growth of insane radical leftist agenda through our country attests to this.....they need put back in the closet for a while. Vote Trump.

That's an interesting perspective that no one in the private sector seems to share, and they're always looking at their bottom lines as it relates to government policy. The oil industry's been producing at record levels despite the claims of the current administration stifling their growth, and inflation has been leveling down from its peaks. What cannot be ignored is the partisan nature of how people feel about the economy and their place in it:

 

[jpevans]

She will have been nominated, she will not have won those delegates as a consequence of winning state primaries. Not sure why you can't see that, but it's clear you don't want to.

It may be time to bury that horse, it smells funny. This is a new situation & the rules committee will work it out.
I respect your right to your opinion. You just aren’t making headway in justifying it.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Okay, now that race is come into focus, and there's little doubt about who will be facing whom, and after thinking it over for a few days, it's time to put a stake in the ground.

As I've said before, in 2016 I didn't find either candidate qualified for office, both for ethical reasons. So I did a write-in. And also as I've said in other threads, were a gun held at my head then, and I had to choose between the two, I would have voted for Hillary. Trump's sins were greater.

In 2020, Trump remained unqualified for office in my eye, and while I didn't find myself agreeing with much Biden had to say on policy, at the time I couldn't fairly claim Joe was unfit for office, so I voted Biden.

When we thought this race was going to be a rematch, Trump was still off my list, and Biden joined him. Between my growing belief Biden enriched himself with a pay-for-access scheme run by his son and the clear signs of old age dementia, I saw him unfit for office. Had that gun been pointed at my head again, that time I would have had to pick Trump (take that a statement about Biden's changing fitness for office, not Trump’s).

Now it's Harris v Trump, and while I reserve a right to change my mind with months still to go before election day, I'm back where I was in 2016. Trump remains manifestly unqualified for office. And sorry, I just find Harris to be too limited, both intellectually and from a leadership standpoint, to be in charge of the nation and our armed forces. Diehards will find that unfair, but sorry, as far as I’m concerned that she's lacking what it takes puts her in the same boat as me, as probably 100% of the people reading this thread, and as 99.9% of all Americans. It's okay, not everybody is ready -- or will ever be ready -- for the big chair. So I'll need to find a write-in candidate this year. And lastly on this point, were that gun pointed at me once again, like 2016, I would vote against Trump, choosing Harris. While I don't think she's qualified, and I think she's hit her ceiling, at least there's a chance I'm wrong, and she might grow into the role after a year or two. I'm convinced Trump will never be anything other than what he is today.

On a related note, count me among those who think this is going to be a race. A few weeks ago I thought if Harris became the nominee it wouldn't matter, but now I do. I see her selection energizing the Democratic base, and that makes it a race. There's also Donald Trump, a more undisciplined candidate one will never find. He can easily do things to lose this race, even if Harris runs nothing more than big-gaffe-free, average campaign.

FWIW.

In other words: How to vote for Trump, without voting for Trump.

 

[NatMorton]

The primary will wrap up August 7th. With a virtual roll call. This is public information. Funny… many people know this.

If you think that's a primary someone is gaslighting you.

 

[NatMorton]

It was a point that her being there physically was not needed. Provincial? really?

So you are agreeing that nobody is qualified to be president? I am not sure what this is supposed to mean.

If it wasn't important for her to be at the border why did she keep insisting she and other members of the administration had been to the border? The correct answer would have been to say what you just said, i.e., that visiting the border is not important to solving the problems at the border. But she didn't say that; she instead clumsily tried to imply she had been to the border. Dumb.

You're still missing the point. It's not whether being at the border is important or not. The point is that on a very important issue to voters, and in an interview from a friendly media outlet that she had time to prepare for, she gave foolish answers.

 

[NatMorton]

I see it, it's simply irrelevant - on more than one front.

If you don't see the primary test as important, why did you try to assert she passed that test in post #68?

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

 

[NatMorton]

It appears to be an attempt to create equivalence between Harris and Trump. I can't see another reason.

Except that my OP clearly states they are not equally unfit for office, and that I believe Harris to be less unqualified.

Suggest you try reading what I write more carefully and make fewer presumptions about my intent.

 

[hooligan]

If you don't see the primary test as important, why did you try to assert she passed that test in post #68?

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

I said she will pass it in the only way that matters, getting the delegate votes.

Try reading? Your straw man attempt fails.

 

[NatMorton]

It may be time to bury that horse, it smells funny. This is a new situation & the rules committee will work it out.
I respect your right to your opinion. You just aren’t making headway in justifying it.

That horse may rise from the grave if she doesn't run a better campaign this year than she did in 2020.

 

[hooligan]

Except that my OP clearly states they are not equally unfit for office, and that I believe Harris to be less unqualified.

Suggest you try reading what I write more carefully and make fewer presumptions about my intent.

Oh, I know what you said.

Your suggestions are unsolicited and ignored.

 

[NatMorton]

In other words: How to vote for Trump, without voting for Trump.

In accurate words: that is a foolish assessment.

 

[NatMorton]

I said she will pass it in the only way that matters, getting the delegate votes.

Try reading? Your straw man attempt fails.

Sorry, no. You said "that test" and we were discussing the primaries.

This is not complicated. She bypassed the winnowing process that most candidates for President face. Why does that fact bother you so?

 

[NatMorton]

Oh, I know what you said.

Your suggestions are unsolicited and ignored.

No, it's fairly obvious you don't. Here's a very recent example of you not knowing: "It appears to be an attempt to create equivalence between Harris and Trump. I can't see another reason."

 

[Ikari]

Yes, there’s little worry my lack of voting for Harris will put Massachusetts’s electoral votes at risk.

Colorado is certainly go Harris, so it frees me up to vote for who I want.

 

[hooligan]

Sorry, no. You said "that test" and we were discussing the primaries.

This is not complicated. She bypassed the winnowing process that most candidates for President face. Why does that fact bother you so?

<sigh>

I'll feed you, baby bird....

When the delegates vote for Kamala she will have passed that test, as well, to any extent that it matters.

Try reading.

 

[hooligan]

No, it's fairly obvious you don't. Here's a very recent example of you not knowing: "It appears to be an attempt to create equivalence between Harris and Trump. I can't see another reason."

That isn't evidence of your assertion. Strike two.

Saying "I can't see another reason" is tantamount to saying "I don't believe your stated reasons". It's pretty simple.

 

[Middleground]

The former Attorney General of the largest state in the country is not intelligent enough to be President? Seriously?

Racism...

Sexism, too.

 

[daeler]

If it wasn't important for her to be at the border why did she keep insisting she and other members of the administration had been to the border? The correct answer would have been to say what you just said, i.e., that visiting the border is not important to solving the problems at the border. But she didn't say that; she instead clumsily tried to imply she had been to the border. Dumb.

I disagree, She pointed out that they had been at the border, meaning the administration, He specified her specifically so she gave the other answer. It seemed simple and easy to understand to me.

You're still missing the point. It's not whether being at the border is important or not. The point is that on a very important issue to voters, and in an interview from a friendly media outlet that she had time to prepare for, she gave foolish answers.

Not missing the point, I just think you are wrong. She gave 2 decent answers you just didn't like them for some reason.

As an example on her why you think Harris isn't intelligent, it is a very poor example because as she is answering the first question she got interrupted and the question changed so the answer changed.

 

[NatMorton]

<sigh>

I'll feed you, baby bird....




Try reading.

And with the name calling I think we can declare this point settled. You're simply wrong on this point, and you've run out of ideas on how to defend your assertions.

 

[NatMorton]

I disagree, She pointed out that they had been at the border, meaning the administration, He specified her specifically so she gave the other answer. It seemed simple and easy to understand to me.

Not missing the point, I just think you are wrong. She gave 2 decent answers you just didn't like them for some reason.

As an example on her why you think Harris isn't intelligent, it is a very poor example because as she is answering the first question she got interrupted and the question changed so the answer changed.

Then there should be a perfectly rational explanation why she thought pointing out she had never been to Europe was relevant to the conversation. Can you speculate on what that explanation might be?

 

[hooligan]

And with the name calling I think we can declare this point settled. You're simply wrong on this point, and you've run out of ideas on how to defend your assertions.

If you want to ignore something explicitly stated, that just means you're not actually interested in honest discourse.

Enjoy shouting into the void.

 

[itstony]

Okay, now that race is come into focus, and there's little doubt about who will be facing whom, and after thinking it over for a few days, it's time to put a stake in the ground.

As I've said before, in 2016 I didn't find either candidate qualified for office, both for ethical reasons. So I did a write-in. And also as I've said in other threads, were a gun held at my head then, and I had to choose between the two, I would have voted for Hillary. Trump's sins were greater.

In 2020, Trump remained unqualified for office in my eye, and while I didn't find myself agreeing with much Biden had to say on policy, at the time I couldn't fairly claim Joe was unfit for office, so I voted Biden.

When we thought this race was going to be a rematch, Trump was still off my list, and Biden joined him. Between my growing belief Biden enriched himself with a pay-for-access scheme run by his son and the clear signs of old age dementia, I saw him unfit for office. Had that gun been pointed at my head again, that time I would have had to pick Trump (take that a statement about Biden's changing fitness for office, not Trump’s).

Now it's Harris v Trump, and while I reserve a right to change my mind with months still to go before election day, I'm back where I was in 2016. Trump remains manifestly unqualified for office. And sorry, I just find Harris to be too limited, both intellectually and from a leadership standpoint, to be in charge of the nation and our armed forces. Diehards will find that unfair, but sorry, as far as I’m concerned that she's lacking what it takes puts her in the same boat as me, as probably 100% of the people reading this thread, and as 99.9% of all Americans. It's okay, not everybody is ready -- or will ever be ready -- for the big chair. So I'll need to find a write-in candidate this year. And lastly on this point, were that gun pointed at me once again, like 2016, I would vote against Trump, choosing Harris. While I don't think she's qualified, and I think she's hit her ceiling, at least there's a chance I'm wrong, and she might grow into the role after a year or two. I'm convinced Trump will never be anything other than what he is today.

On a related note, count me among those who think this is going to be a race. A few weeks ago I thought if Harris became the nominee it wouldn't matter, but now I do. I see her selection energizing the Democratic base, and that makes it a race. There's also Donald Trump, a more undisciplined candidate one will never find. He can easily do things to lose this race, even if Harris runs nothing more than big-gaffe-free, average campaign.

FWIW.

Couldn't have said it better. I also feel no matter what happens around him, Trump will never be qualified to hold that office. He wasn't in 2016 and still is not today. Harris would not be my first choice but I have to vote for the side that shows me a glimmer of hope, that's not team Trump.

 

[Big Brother]

Okay, now that race is come into focus, and there's little doubt about who will be facing whom, and after thinking it over for a few days, it's time to put a stake in the ground.

Sounds like you are becoming an independent. It's really not that bad, the left will still call you MAGA as usual, but the right will understand you as many are not happy with how the GOP has evolved either. In reality, both major parties suck. Wise people realize this.