A doctor's recent bout with COVID. It's not what you think.

[Fledermaus]

There. You have your homework assignment. Be sure to come back and show us what you’ve learned.

Your claim. Your burden of proof.

 

[JasperL]

you don't think people get natural immunity do you?

you do know that only a very small % of people died from covid right? and that under 55 years old and healthy the percentages were what, 99.8% you wouldn't get covid and die without shots? something close to that ?

so you give shots to the 99.8% who wasn't going to die anyway and then brag how people with shots aren't dying ..... they wasn't going to ANYWAY

I don't think your side understands that

I notice you didn’t deal with my point. And so invented new straw men to attack. Not surprising but always telling. Your own data show vaccines work to reduce deaths.

 

[VySky]

Your claim. Your burden of proof.

Nope.

You lack the education required on the subject to engage in a productive debate.

 

[Fledermaus]

Nope.

You lack the education required on the subject to engage in a productive debate.

You lack the ability to support your claim.

'Are' in terms of side effects that have already manifested and those yet to come.

What side effects?

 

[Good4Nothin]

I notice you didn’t deal with my point. And so invented new straw men to attack. Not surprising but always telling. Your own data show vaccines work to reduce deaths.

Where is that data?

 

[Fledermaus]

Where is that data?

What side effects?

 

[mike2810]

more people shotted are dying than not shotted - so .............. it doesn't stop you from "getting so sick" no

source?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Do you not understand that immunity from Covid-19, however it is acquired, isn't for life and wanes after a while? That's why we need boosters-just like the annual flu shot, to keep our immune system healthy and responsive. Just because someone has been infected and recovered doesn't mean they are immune for life; likewise for immunity through vaccination.

we don't "need"

some people want them, I support them taking them if that's what they want, I'd appreciate them supporting me not taking them as well

I've never taken a flu shot

 

[snakestretcher]

we don't "need"

some people want them, I support them taking them if that's what they want, I'd appreciate them supporting me not taking them as well

I've never taken a flu shot

I never took a flu shot for years and got sick every winter. Then I started getting shots and haven't suffered with flu since. How did that happen?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Not every vaccine confers lifetime immunity. Read, learn...

Why Some Vaccines Last A Lifetime and Others Don't | Cedars-Sinai

Some vaccines result in immunity that lasts many decades, but in other cases you have to get boosters months or years after the first shot. Pharmacists Ethan Smith and Hai Tran explain how and why shots differ.

www.cedars-sinai.org

never said they did but people really bought the whole "get the shot, take off the mask, you'll not have to worry about getting covid ...." ... many pro-vaxxers said the people not wanting the shots were spreading the virus/causing deaths even .... crazy huh ?

and now, years later with all that proven wrong, the shots are sold as "well, you'll still get covid but not as bad when in fact, most people don't get covid bad anyway

but again, ya'll do you, take the shots like this doctor but understand you can still get covid bad, shots or not

 

[hecatmoggie]

Exceptionally few is still dead bodies.

And the claim "healthy kids really didn't die from covid" is another stupid blanket statement.

tell me then how many kids under 18 in the USA - give me how many millions ... .and over the last 3 years how many died OF covid (not with it) .... then tell me how many under 18 died from H1N1

Covid simply doesn't affect young healthy people much - and yes, even 1 is still a dead body, but you cannot give shots to a population that is 99.99% not going to get a virus bad and then claim how great it works because 99.99% who had the shots aren't getting the virus bad (they were never going to get it bad to begin with)

 

[snakestretcher]

never said they did but people really bought the whole "get the shot, take off the mask, you'll not have to worry about getting covid ...." ... many pro-vaxxers said the people not wanting the shots were spreading the virus/causing deaths even .... crazy huh ?

and now, years later with all that proven wrong, the shots are sold as "well, you'll still get covid but not as bad when in fact, most people don't get covid bad anyway

but again, ya'll do you, take the shots like this doctor but understand you can still get covid bad, shots or not

Nobody ever said that vaccination would prevent infection. What was said is that wearing masks would mitigate the spread.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I never took a flu shot for years and got sick every winter. Then I started getting shots and haven't suffered with flu since. How did that happen?

no idea, but dang you got the flu every winter? your immune system isn't good/healthy, and a shot isn't going to fix that. If I were you I'd look at the core problem (weak immune system)

knowing that, in your case, I'd probably take every shot available ..... you're immune system is weak and you're susceptible and if you're over 45-50 years old as well, its worth taking the chance IMO, I can see doing that. I support your decision either way

I'd appreciate you supporting me NOT wanting shots

 

[Fledermaus]

tell me then how many kids under 18 in the USA - give me how many millions ... .and over the last 3 years how many died OF covid (not with it) .... then tell me how many under 18 died from H1N1

Covid simply doesn't affect young healthy people much - and yes, even 1 is still a dead body, but you cannot give shots to a population that is 99.99% not going to get a virus bad and then claim how great it works because 99.99% who had the shots aren't getting the virus bad (they were never going to get it bad to begin with)

Asked and answered.

You false global claim is false.

 

[Lovebug]

You won't LET ME? Huh?

What I said is perfectly obvious. It is backed up by simple logic. Several things changed at the same time, so you can't assume only one of them caused the decreased death rate.

If the vaccines saved lives, we do not know to what extent. A computer model study ESTIMATED they saved millions of lives. But the model was based on the assumption that the vaccines were highly effective. In other words, a bogus drug industry study.

Lay person logic.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Asked and answered.

You false global claim is false.

I'm just getting back from a long weekend - IIRC I posted the numbers - H1N1 was responsible for more deaths in a shorter period for 18 and younger than Covid was/is ........... and, the % of chance of death from covid in under 18 is something close to 99.99% NOT going to get covid bad and that 0.01% ? already sick/compromised

If you know something different can you share the link please ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

Would like to see a link to a quote by Biden that the said vaccines would STOP you from getting the virus?

Evidently you don't know everyone; there are many people who have not had covid since there are almost 30% in this country that haven't

I disagree, I think everyone has had/been exposed covid - that virus spread fast. You don't have to get sick from covid to have been exposed to it.

"if you are fully vaccinated, your risk of severe illness from COVID-19 is very low. " .......... we now know many fully vaxxed have gotten severe illness (like this doctor)

"If you’re fully vaccinated and can take your mask off, " ......... why? we now know shotted people get covid just as much, but they sold the shots as "taking off your mask" because if you're shotted you won't get the virus and thus, cannot spread it.

lies

"If you’re vaccinated, you can be around the vaccinated or unvaccinated people. But if you’re not vaccinated or not fully vaccinated, you should wear a mask for your own protection and the protection of other unvaccinated people."

we now this was lies too - as was a lot that was sold to the American people




I could keep going - but it seems the people on the left that believed all of it STILL want to believe the Fed Govt and anything it says. Even with everything that can be shown as false, they'll still believe what they're told. Its fascinating to watch to be honest

Ya'll believe what you want, take as many shots as you're told to take. I support you

 

[Fledermaus]

no idea, but dang you got the flu every winter? your immune system isn't good/healthy, and a shot isn't going to fix that. If I were you I'd look at the core problem (weak immune system)

knowing that, in your case, I'd probably take every shot available ..... you're immune system is weak and you're susceptible and if you're over 45-50 years old as well, its worth taking the chance IMO, I can see doing that. I support your decision either way

I'd appreciate you supporting me NOT wanting shots

It is as if you are completely clueless as to vaccines.

 

[Fledermaus]

I'm just getting back from a long weekend - IIRC I posted the numbers - H1N1 was responsible for more deaths in a shorter period for 18 and younger than Covid was/is ........... and, the % of chance of death from covid in under 18 is something close to 99.99% NOT going to get covid bad and that 0.01% ? already sick/compromised

If you know something different can you share the link please ?

Asked and answered.

More children killed by COVID than all the other things we* regularly vaccinate for, combined, during the Pandemic.








* Parents that aren't Antivaxxers.

 

[Credence]

I disagree, I think everyone has had/been exposed covid - that virus spread fast. You don't have to get sick from covid to have been exposed to it.

"if you are fully vaccinated, your risk of severe illness from COVID-19 is very low. " .......... we now know many fully vaxxed have gotten severe illness (like this doctor)

"If you’re fully vaccinated and can take your mask off, " ......... why? we now know shotted people get covid just as much, but they sold the shots as "taking off your mask" because if you're shotted you won't get the virus and thus, cannot spread it.

lies

"If you’re vaccinated, you can be around the vaccinated or unvaccinated people. But if you’re not vaccinated or not fully vaccinated, you should wear a mask for your own protection and the protection of other unvaccinated people."

we now this was lies too - as was a lot that was sold to the American people




I could keep going - but it seems the people on the left that believed all of it STILL want to believe the Fed Govt and anything it says. Even with everything that can be shown as false, they'll still believe what they're told. Its fascinating to watch to be honest

Ya'll believe what you want, take as many shots as you're told to take. I support you

Too much misinformation in your response to my post to even try to trudge through it nor did you even attempt to provide a link to the misinformation you posted
Have a nice day

 

[JasperL]

Where is that data?

Where have YOU linked to any data?

I linked it earlier, and referenced YOU directly to that data. It was in posts #s 45 and then 48. Of course you ignored those posts at that time. Now you are jumping into another discussion, asking me again for the data that I've already linked to him AND to YOU, and in the meantime ignoring my replies to you.

This is typical behavior from you. If you cared to address the data, you could have done so long ago.

 

[Lovebug]

Maybe because ventilators were the wrong treatment.

Lay person won't know that but there such a thing called ventilator protocol.

 

[JasperL]

you don't think people get natural immunity do you?

you do know that only a very small % of people died from covid right? and that under 55 years old and healthy the percentages were what, 99.8% you wouldn't get covid and die without shots? something close to that ?

so you give shots to the 99.8% who wasn't going to die anyway and then brag how people with shots aren't dying ..... they wasn't going to ANYWAY

This is the typical garbage we get from the anti-vax crowd. In a country where 40% are obese, half or so have high blood pressure, a huge share are pre-diabetic or T2D, many have other chronic lung, liver, kidney disease, cancer or cancer survivors, and more - plus the elderly - what share of our adult population is "healthy" and so need not worry about COVID? It's odd and predictable that posts like this never explain this simple point that is crucial for any decision making by anyone whether or not to get vaccinated.

Whatever the percentage of 'healthy' people is, the people around here weren't very good at evaluating their own health, because the hospitals in the fall of 2021 were overflowing with COVID cases, generally about 80% of them were unvaccinated, and median age in the hospital was around 57, 58. Granted most of them didn't die, but that's hardly considered a 'win' for being unvaccinated in my book, since a shitty and expensive several day stay in the hospital or ICU, and in many places at that time causing the hospitals to overrun with patients, shutting down access to beds, elective surgeries, and more seems like something I and society should try to avoid when it can do so.

I don't think your side understands that

We understand the bad faith arguments quite well, actually. For example, I note that with this post you ignored my actual comment to move the goal posts.

 

[snakestretcher]

no idea, but dang you got the flu every winter? your immune system isn't good/healthy, and a shot isn't going to fix that. If I were you I'd look at the core problem (weak immune system)

knowing that, in your case, I'd probably take every shot available ..... you're immune system is weak and you're susceptible and if you're over 45-50 years old as well, its worth taking the chance IMO, I can see doing that. I support your decision either way

I'd appreciate you supporting me NOT wanting shots

I'm over 70, so my immune system doesn't work as well as it did. Furthermore our winters are invariably cold and damp; ideal conditions for viruses to thrive in.

 

[hecatmoggie]

This is the typical garbage we get from the anti-vax crowd. In a country where 40% are obese, half or so have high blood pressure, a huge share are pre-diabetic or T2D, many have other chronic lung, liver, kidney disease, cancer or cancer survivors, and more - plus the elderly - what share of our adult population is "healthy" and so need not worry about COVID? It's odd and predictable that posts like this never explain this simple point that is crucial for any decision making by anyone whether or not to get vaccinated.

all those things are core problems - we are a horribly unhealthy nation and everyone wants a pill or shot to fix the symptoms without addressing the core problem

Whatever the percentage of 'healthy' people is, the people around here weren't very good at evaluating their own health, because the hospitals in the fall of 2021 were overflowing with COVID cases, generally about 80% of them were unvaccinated, and median age in the hospital was around 57, 58. Granted most of them didn't die, but that's hardly considered a 'win' for being unvaccinated in my book, since a shitty and expensive several day stay in the hospital or ICU, and in many places at that time causing the hospitals to overrun with patients, shutting down access to beds, elective surgeries, and more seems like something I and society should try to avoid when it can do so.

except the number didn't stay "unvaccinated" ... the numbers have shifted, vaccinated are getting plenty sick