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A Combative Trump Criticizes ‘Alt-Left’ Groups in Charlottesville

In all fairness he never said whether he opposed removing the statue, rather just questioned the criteria in which light certain historical figures are cast. Furthermore, protesting the removal of that statue doesn't make you a white nationalist.

Wrong. The Leftists make a claim and it is true. They alone are wise enough to understand who are terrorists, racists, sexists and bigots.

If they label a person one it is true regardless of any evidence....

My Lord, their arrogance is a ****ing disgrace to this country.
 
Supporting the statues remaining is not siding with the "White Nationalists". Jeezus dude... :roll:
Do White nationalists want the statues to remain?

If they do, then supporting the statues remaining is being on the same side of a topic as white nationalists.

Not necessarily siding WITH them, though.
 
Wrong. The Leftists make a claim and it is true. They alone are wise enough to understand who are terrorists, racists, sexists and bigots.

If they label a person one it is true regardless of any evidence....

My Lord, their arrogance is a ****ing disgrace to this country.
Bull****.

No one can make a claim and have it be true without evidence.
 
Wrong. The Leftists make a claim and it is true. They alone are wise enough to understand who are terrorists, racists, sexists and bigots.

If they label a person one it is true regardless of any evidence....

My Lord, their arrogance is a ****ing disgrace to this country.

Well I imagine attending a rally where people are waving around swastikas, calling people "niggers" and "faggots", and chanting anti Jewish slogans is exactly where you would find "fine people" who identify as right wing.
 
I'm no trump apologist, I'm just pointing out that apparently you can't refute any of the statements trump made and how ironic of you to actually promote violence to try "unite us" to deny someone's first amendment rights. You're philosophy is a much scarier threat to American liberties than trump.

You do not know much about WW2 do you? Ill say it again Americans should kick Nazi ass, if that offends, I dont really care. And citizens cannot take away first Amendment rights, the point of the 1st Amendment is to stop the government from taking away free speech (among other things). I really hate it when ignorant people try to say that some citizen or group is trying to take away their rights. To be clear kicking Nazi ass would be illegal if charged, but not for stopping their speech. But I am sure you think you know better, so go ahead show me in the Constitution where it says that I cannot stop someone else from speaking. Take this site for example, they can silence you on this site, and that isnt unconstitutional. The government cannot stop you from speaking but I can without it being unconstitutional. Of course I might break some criminal law doing so. ANd if convicted I would pay for my crimes no loss of liberties involved that I didnt deserve.

But go ahead standby and let the Nazi's gain ground while you suck your thumb.
 
Supporting the statues remaining is not siding with the "White Nationalists". Jeezus dude... :roll:

In this context, yes it does. We are talking about a specific event planned by guess who? You have to take into account what Trump said, who he was talking about and where his supported land within context.

If you Cherry pick out that one concept, I agree the act of supporting the statues alone does not make you a White Nationalist. But when he talked about Friday and the only people that showed up White Nationalist's despite what he claimed, then the context is different. Now I agree that he was most likely just making it up as he was going and knew nothing about who showed up Friday. So then the president is an idiot. His off the cuff comments made him appear to be supporting White Nationalists. ANd as of yet he hasnt corrected that so we assume that he actually intended it that way. I dont know about you but I hold the president to a high standard either he cam do the right thing or he cannot as of yet he cannot. Him being an adult and the president he will have to explain himself either now or in the Senate.
 
Not necessarily siding WITH them, though.

That is all that matters... the "with".

Bull****.

No one can make a claim and have it be true without evidence

That is the point. It isn't true. The Left freaked calling Trump a racist to Native Americans. The claim was a lie. The "evidence" was out of context and distorted comments. Same with this new Statue thing and my God... the N. Korea thing? The Left arguing that Trump is being irresponsible when the other guy is saying he is going to nuke people? I couldn't stand the Right bashing Obama but the Left now is taking it to such a pathetic juvenile and whining little bitch level that it is disgusting behaviour and it is getting REALLY old REALLY fast.
 
People find this odd, but I'm not sure I hate people like that.
Pity, probably.
Find disgusting, absolutely.

But hate implies that I think they are inherently bad on some fundamental level...at least to me.
Maybe I'm naive, but I tend to think they're just horribly misguided and uninformed.
It's hard to think that after some of the things I see though.
I can't fathom how they might get from a place where everyone is equally entitled to things, to a place where people who are different for various arbitrary reasons are somehow inherently evil and plotting against them.
I have to think it's some combination of failures involving parenting, society, and culture.
There are two primary kinds of Nazis: leaders and followers. The latter, I figure many of them are just like the driver of the Silver Challenger: losers. The former know how to manipulate the losers, create for them a sense of identity where they can feel like winners by looking down at the "other." The losers maybe deserve more pity than hate. The leaders, OTOH, deserve nothing but hatred since they are knowingly being evil.

There is a third kind of White Nationalist who probably fits into the Nazi category. They are neither leader nor followers, but they certainly believe Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans, Jews, Gays and, even, women are inferior. The smarter ones fly under thee radar. They mostly keep their thoughts to themselves, speak in code usually using terms like BLM, foodstamps, MSM, illegals, etc. These folks share their true feelings and speak in vulgar language only when with those of like mind. Those people make up the majority of our nation's bigots. The dumber ones just blurt out their bigotry much like Archie Bunker did back in the day--the drunken uncle who spouts out the N-word, Fa-word, Sp-Word and C-word--making them much easier to spot.

So, what do they share in common? They all want a White ethno-state, especially if whites should ever become a minority. And, they are already putting in place the mechanisms to ensure this. Notice, the majority candidate did not win the presidency. Next up is finding every excuse in the book to restrict voter access to the growing numbers of people who are Brown, Black, Gay, etc. They already have a pretty good jump on keeping large numbers of blacks off the voter rolls.

It's hard not to hate these people.
 
Well I imagine attending a rally where people are waving around swastikas, calling people "niggers" and "faggots", and chanting anti Jewish slogans is exactly where you would find "fine people" who identify as right wing.

Those people are a disgrace as well... do you have a ****ing point or was that it?
 
That doesn't make his statements wrong though... Logic 101.

My sarcasm apparently has not bled thru. Oh well. All the Trump is a jerk or ass threads are getting rather tedious to me.
 
In this context, yes it does. We are talking about a specific event planned by guess who? You have to take into account what Trump said, who he was talking about and where his supported land within context.

If you Cherry pick out that one concept, I agree the act of supporting the statues alone does not make you a White Nationalist. But when he talked about Friday and the only people that showed up White Nationalist's despite what he claimed, then the context is different. Now I agree that he was most likely just making it up as he was going and knew nothing about who showed up Friday. So then the president is an idiot. His off the cuff comments made him appear to be supporting White Nationalists. ANd as of yet he hasnt corrected that so we assume that he actually intended it that way. I dont know about you but I hold the president to a high standard either he cam do the right thing or he cannot as of yet he cannot. Him being an adult and the president he will have to explain himself either now or in the Senate.

I agree that he appears an idiot at times but when we really look at what he says, most of the time the Left is just making stuff up or not actually bothering to understand what he IS saying. Can he articulate himself better... heck yes. I couldn't stand the Right the last 8 years but I am now wishing they were back as underdogs because the Left is just making this far worse than they need to be. I have never seen such hatred... and over the must trivial and mundane things too... I would like to drop off these people in Syria and let them contend with ISIS for a year or maybe put them in a slum in Mumbai and then let them come back with some perspective.
 
That is all that matters... the "with".



That is the point. It isn't true. The Left freaked calling Trump a racist to Native Americans. The claim was a lie. The "evidence" was out of context and distorted comments. Same with this new Statue thing and my God... the N. Korea thing? The Left arguing that Trump is being irresponsible when the other guy is saying he is going to nuke people? I couldn't stand the Right bashing Obama but the Left now is taking it to such a pathetic juvenile and whining little bitch level that it is disgusting behaviour and it is getting REALLY old REALLY fast.
The establishment really doesn't like Trump, and it really REALLY irritates me when they grasp at unconfirmed and possibly nonexistent straws to attack him - mainly because it undercuts the positions they claim to be defending.

That said, I saw video of the various statements he has made regarding Charlottesville, and I've heard of the statements made by various assholes (as in, the long list of white nationalist, white supremacist, racist, bigoted, nazis).
IF Trump isn't a racist, he's a ****ing IDIOT. Because he CLEARLY appears to be racist, after seeing him speak about Charlottesville.
IMO.
 
The establishment really doesn't like Trump, and it really REALLY irritates me when they grasp at unconfirmed and possibly nonexistent straws to attack him - mainly because it undercuts the positions they claim to be defending.

That said, I saw video of the various statements he has made regarding Charlottesville, and I've heard of the statements made by various assholes (as in, the long list of white nationalist, white supremacist, racist, bigoted, nazis).
IF Trump isn't a racist, he's a ****ing IDIOT. Because he CLEARLY appears to be racist, after seeing him speak about Charlottesville.
IMO.

He may well be... and a President should never come off sounding like one. But at the end of the day I care about the economy and defense and most importantly... people getting along. That can occur because that is an individual choice. When people start hating it does not help.
 
Trump was right in what he said. both group were to blame for the situation that occured and there is no getting around it.
Alt- left, alt right are both extremist groups that need to be silence so the rest of us can enjoy our freedom and liberty.
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however calling trump a racist is a flat out lie, but what do you expect from the alt-left.
they were just as much a cause of the violence that occurred as the white supremacists

I am liberal and hardly an extremist and I would suggest Trump is a racist demogogue.
 
I agree that he appears an idiot at times but when we really look at what he says, most of the time the Left is just making stuff up or not actually bothering to understand what he IS saying. Can he articulate himself better... heck yes. I couldn't stand the Right the last 8 years but I am now wishing they were back as underdogs because the Left is just making this far worse than they need to be. I have never seen such hatred... and over the must trivial and mundane things too... I would like to drop off these people in Syria and let them contend with ISIS for a year or maybe put them in a slum in Mumbai and then let them come back with some perspective.

The left and right say all kinds of crap all the time. Our job is to weed through it. Trump on the other hand tends to say some really stupid stuff, which was fine when he wasn't president. I look at this latest scandal as entirely his fault and the lefts reaction is appropriate. I think that it is good that left is jumping on this, Trump deserves it for being stupid enough to do what he did. Doesnt mean that the left is all correct, they will try to spin this to benefit them instead of the people.

Meanwhile we are losing our standing in the world. That part is not made up by the left. And the person mainly responsible is Trump. He doesnt understand his job. He seems to think that he does, but he looks like he's playing a character in daytime tv (they still have soap operas on during the day?). An ways Democrats are tasked with driving the fight against Trump for being grossly incompetent too bad they are not much better. Of course if Trump doesnt do something to curb what he just did he will go down fast.

Of course Trumps next big **** up will come first because thats what Trump does one **** up after another.
 
He may well be... and a President should never come off sounding like one. But at the end of the day I care about the economy and defense and most importantly... people getting along. That can occur because that is an individual choice. When people start hating it does not help.

Gee I wonder what brought this on?
 
Could you point to where those fine people were at, that the president was talking about? I watched this entire video and couldnt find one.



C'mon Waldo (Trump) is in there somewhere!
 
Could you point to where those fine people were at, that the president was talking about? I watched this entire video and couldnt find one.



Why are you asking me that? there are videos of Leftists torching cars and screaming obscenities at people til they give up, acting like anarchists and oppressive A-holes... if anything, the video you showed shows some racists, potential racists and probably some normal people walking in a calm and orderly manner NOT destroying property.
 
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