• We will be taking the server down at approximately 3:30 AM ET on Wednesday, 10/8/25. We have a hard drive that is in the early stages of failure and this is necessary to prevent data loss. We hope to be back up and running quickly, however this process could take some time.
  • This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

A brief history of 'gun control'...

Arbo

DP Veteran
Joined
Dec 4, 2011
Messages
10,395
Reaction score
2,745
Location
Colorado
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent
Just looking at some events that involved the death of 3 or more people....

On August 20, 1986, 14 employees were shot and killed and six wounded at the Edmond, Oklahoma, post office by Patrick Sherrill, a postman who then committed suicide with a shot to the forehead.

On November 14, 1991 in Royal Oak, Michigan, Thomas McIlvane killed five people, including himself, with a Ruger 10/22rifle in Royal Oak's post office.

Jennifer San Marco, a former postal employee, killed six postal employees before committing suicide with a handgun, on the evening of January 30, 2006, at a large postal processing facility in Goleta, California.

May 1, 1992: Olivehurst, California Eric Houston, 20, killed four people and wounded 10 in an armed siege at his former high school.

February 2, 1996:
Moses Lake, Washington Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.

December 1, 1997: West Paducah, Kentucky Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal.

April 20, 1999: Littleton, Colorado 14 students (including shooters) and one teacher killed, 27 others wounded at Columbine High School.

February 27, 2012: Chardon, Ohio Chardon High School, T.J. Lane, 17, took a .22-caliber pistol and a knife to Chardon High and firing 10 shots at a group of students sitting at a cafeteria table resulting in the death of 3 and wounding 2.

April 16, 2007, VA Tech, 32 dead.

The Northern Illinois University shooting was a school shooting that took place on February 14, 2008, during which Steven Kazmierczak shot multiple people on the campus of Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, United States, killing five and injuring twenty-one, before committing suicide.

On October 2, 2006, a shooting occurred at the West Nickel Mines School, an Amish one-room schoolhouse in the Old Order Amishcommunity of Nickel Mines, killing 5.

The Oikos University shooting occurred on April 2, 2012, when a gunman shot at people inside Oikos University, a Korean Christiancollege in Oakland, California, United States. Within a few hours, the number of reported fatalities reached seven.

The Westroads Mall shooting was a murder-suicide that occurred on Wednesday, December 5, 2007, at the Von Maur department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska, United States. Nineteen-year-old Robert A. Hawkins killed nine people (including himself) and wounded four, two of them critically

Charles Lee Thornton, stormed into the Kirkwood, Mo., City Hall meeting shouting "Shoot the mayor!" and began firing a gun. Thornton was carrying a grudge against the mayor and other members of the city council, according to many Kirkwood residents. Thornton killed two police officers and three city officials before he was shot and killed by police.


Of note, the following places are 'gun free zones': US Postal Offices, Schools, the Westroads Mall, just about every City Hall.....

I think I made my point without dragging it out too far.
 
meanwhile, NYC has one of the lowest murder rates of any large city in the USA, and has pretty strict gun laws.
 
meanwhile, NYC has one of the lowest murder rates of any large city in the USA, and has pretty strict gun laws.


NYC has one of the highest crime rates of major cities.
 
meanwhile, NYC has one of the lowest murder rates of any large city in the USA, and has pretty strict gun laws.

Yeah - I was thinking the same thing.
 
Yeah - I was thinking the same thing.

Ok new york is an island its preety easy to control flow of fire arms in a closed environment look at others liberal city murder rates Chicago, Detroit, flint,la.
 
This looks like a thread based on correlation without demonstration of causation.
 
This looks like a thread based on correlation without demonstration of causation.

If are unable to put 2 and 2 together, that's your problem. And apparently most of America's problem.
 
and one of the lowest murder rates of major cities.

Being the lowest of the big cities doesn't mean you are the lowest of all places in the USA. i.e. the slowest super car is still faster than an average car.
 
If are unable to put 2 and 2 together, that's your problem. And apparently most of America's problem.
You have demonstrated no causation, only correlation. It's up to you to demonstrate the former if you make an argument that implies it. Otherwise, you're just making statements without defending them and insulting people for not accepting what you haven't defended. That is a very poor debating strategy.
 
You have demonstrated no causation, only correlation. It's up to you to demonstrate the former if you make an argument that implies it. Otherwise, you're just making statements without defending them and insulting people for not accepting what you haven't defended. That is a very poor debating strategy.

Running around the forum playing pedantic games of semantics is poor debating strategy, yet it is what you do.

Let me ask you a simple question: Statistically, are you less likely to be a victim of a mass shooting if you are in a 'gun free zone', or if you are somewhere that people are allowed to carry firearms?
 
Running around the forum playing pedantic games of semantics is poor debating strategy, yet it is what you do.

Let me ask you a simple question: Statistically, are you less likely to be a victim of a mass shooting if you are in a 'gun free zone', or if you are somewhere that people are allowed to carry firearms?
So instead of defending your argument for causation, you insult me and then ask me a question to verify correlation without causation. How about you just defend your argument.
 
meanwhile, NYC has one of the lowest murder rates of any large city in the USA, and has pretty strict gun laws.

I call bull****....

Rules won't stop criminal behavior.
 
So instead of defending your argument for causation, you insult me and then ask me a question to verify correlation without causation. How about you just defend your argument.


Ah, so you do not want to admit the truth...
 
massive spike?

I don't think so.

hardly the success story

Bloomturd is the type of politician the founders were thinking of when the second amendment was drafted
 
Back
Top Bottom