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Obama's Air Force aka todays PC Air Force and Air Force Dumb plan to deactivate all of the A-10 squadrons that haven't already been deactivated in the past four years of Obama's "redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military" or in layman terms the dismantling of our military by Obama and the radical left.

There stories here:



Air Force Mourns Likely Passing of A-10 Warthog

>" As an old Warthog pilot, Lt. Gen. Stanley E. Clarke III spoke in near mournful tones Wednesday of the likely mothballing of the venerable A-10 close air support aircraft and tank killer.

“Can we save the A-10?” was the question from the audience Wednesday at the Air Force Association’s Air & Space Conference here..."< continue-> http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/09/18/air-force-mourns-likely-passing-of-a-10-warthog/

Sen. Ayotte places hold on Air Force secretary nominee over fleet cuts

>" Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) has placed a hold on the confirmation of Air Force Secretary nominee Deborah Lee James over the Air Force’s potential retirement of the entire A-10 fleet.

An aide to Ayotte said the senator has placed a hold on James’s nomination so she can get her questions answered about why the Air Force would consider divesting its A-10 fleet.

Ayotte views the possible cut as a readiness issue and is concerned over whether there is a valid replacement for the A-10, the aide said..."<

Read more: Sen. Ayotte places hold on Air Force secretary nominee over fleet cuts - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

Deborah Lee James, Obama's nomination for the next Secretary of the Air Force. Ring a bell ? She was part of Clinton's DoD when he was dumbing down the military and over downsizing the military. Is there a political agenda here ?

Remember, Secretary of Defense Hagel said the main mission of the U.S. military is fighting sexual assaults not defending America and killing our enemies. It's now all about social engineering and for those who are serving today and don't like it, the word is to get out.

SECAF nominee: Commanders should be held accountable for sexual assault | Air Force Times | airforcetimes.com
 
The reason A-10's are being retired is because the Joint Strike Fighter or F-35 lightning II will be able to take over the role.

That's been the plan all along.

Your rubbish about political correctness has nothing to do with it at all.
 
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Obama's Air Force aka todays PC Air Force and Air Force Dumb plan to deactivate all of the A-10 squadrons that haven't already been deactivated in the past four years of Obama's "redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military" or in layman terms the dismantling of our military by Obama and the radical left.

:damn The idiocy just keeps growing .... WTF ?

Evening Rat, hope all is well by you,
 
The reason A-10's are being retired is because the Joint Strike Fighter of F-35 lightning II will be able to take over the role.

That's been the plan all along.

Your rubbish about political correctness has nothing to do with it at all.

Being a former member of 1st ANGLICO (Sub Unit One) I know something about providing close air support. The the F-35 will never be able to accomplish what the A-10 has accomplished. For an aircraft to provide CAS for ground forces the aircraft has to be slow and have a long loiter time over the battlefield.

The Marines FA-35 is a different version of the Air Force and the Navy's FA-35. The Marines will use their FA-35's for CAS but the Marines are a little different from all other fighter pilots compared to the Navy and Air Force. All Marine aviators are riflemen first and every Marine aviator has been trained and qualified to lead a Marine rifle platoon in combat. So they have something that the others don't have, a better knowledge of what's going on the ground and being capable of providing "DANGER CLOSE" CAS missions that not even the Air Force A-10 pilots were able to ever master. They (A-10 pilots) have been getting better at it over the past twelve years but they still have to high of friendlies casualties on the ground.

Well there's always this aircraft. It was the one that competed for the Air Force contract against the A-10.
The word was, the Air Force didn't like drag-tails.

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Being a former member of 1st ANGLICO (Sub Unit One) I know something about providing close air support. The the F-35 will never be able to accomplish what the A-10 has accomplished. For an aircraft to provide CAS for ground forces the aircraft has to be slow and have a long loiter time over the battlefield.

The Marines FA-35 is a different version of the Air Force and the Navy's FA-35. The Marines will use their FA-35's for CAS but the Marines are a little different from all other fighter pilots compared to the Navy and Air Force. All Marine aviators are riflemen first and every Marine aviator has been trained and qualified to lead a Marine rifle platoon in combat. So they have something that the others don't have, a better knowledge of what's going on the ground and being capable of providing "DANGER CLOSE" CAS missions that not even the Air Force A-10 pilots were able to ever master. They (A-10 pilots) have been getting better at it over the past twelve years but they still have to high of friendlies casualties on the ground.

Well there's always this aircraft. It was the one that competed for the Air Force contract against the A-10.
The word was, the Air Force didn't like drag-tails.

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I agree. The Air Force has always loved their fast movers and hated anything less. The army has their attack helicopters, why not give them the A-10 and bring back the army air corps. This almost happened when the A-10 was brought on line. Only the threat of the army having their own pilots outside of helicopters did the Air Force finally sign onto it.
 
Obama's Air Force aka todays PC Air Force and Air Force Dumb plan to deactivate all of the A-10 squadrons that haven't already been deactivated in the past four years of Obama's "redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military" or in layman terms the dismantling of our military by Obama and the radical left.

There stories here:



Air Force Mourns Likely Passing of A-10 Warthog

>" As an old Warthog pilot, Lt. Gen. Stanley E. Clarke III spoke in near mournful tones Wednesday of the likely mothballing of the venerable A-10 close air support aircraft and tank killer.

“Can we save the A-10?” was the question from the audience Wednesday at the Air Force Association’s Air & Space Conference here..."< continue-> http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/09/18/air-force-mourns-likely-passing-of-a-10-warthog/

Sen. Ayotte places hold on Air Force secretary nominee over fleet cuts

>" Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) has placed a hold on the confirmation of Air Force Secretary nominee Deborah Lee James over the Air Force’s potential retirement of the entire A-10 fleet.

An aide to Ayotte said the senator has placed a hold on James’s nomination so she can get her questions answered about why the Air Force would consider divesting its A-10 fleet.

Ayotte views the possible cut as a readiness issue and is concerned over whether there is a valid replacement for the A-10, the aide said..."<

Read more: Sen. Ayotte places hold on Air Force secretary nominee over fleet cuts - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

Deborah Lee James, Obama's nomination for the next Secretary of the Air Force. Ring a bell ? She was part of Clinton's DoD when he was dumbing down the military and over downsizing the military. Is there a political agenda here ?

Remember, Secretary of Defense Hagel said the main mission of the U.S. military is fighting sexual assaults not defending America and killing our enemies. It's now all about social engineering and for those who are serving today and don't like it, the word is to get out.

SECAF nominee: Commanders should be held accountable for sexual assault | Air Force Times | airforcetimes.com

The A-10 is nearly 40 years old, and we have newer aircraft that are better at CAS. Let's not forget the biggest detail being ignored here, which is that the service life of the A-10 has been extended to 2040.
 
The reason A-10's are being retired is because the Joint Strike Fighter or F-35 lightning II will be able to take over the role.

That's been the plan all along. .

Maybe I'm too bothered by the administration's military management but.... The Navy has just rec'd the first F-35 for modification and testing; It will not surprise me to find more A-10s in the desert before enough replacements are available. You maybe correct in a relaxed observation of the situation but I am skeptical.

Have a good eve Jet

Thom Paine
 
I agree. The Air Force has always loved their fast movers and hated anything less. The army has their attack helicopters, why not give them the A-10 and bring back the army air corps. This almost happened when the A-10 was brought on line. Only the threat of the army having their own pilots outside of helicopters did the Air Force finally sign onto it.

Your not the first to bring up having the U.S. Army take over the A-10's. But it would take an act of Congress to allow the Army to fly fixed wing combat aircraft.

Who would know better on how to provide CAS for the infantry than an infantryman who also knows how to fly ?
 
The A-10 is nearly 40 years old, and we have newer aircraft that are better at CAS. Let's not forget the biggest detail being ignored here, which is that the service life of the A-10 has been extended to 2040.

Question - What about the B-52, a 1950's aircraft. there is plans afoot to do more upgrades and keep it around until the 2040's.
 
Question - What about the B-52, a 1950's aircraft. there is plans afoot to do more upgrades and keep it around until the 2040's.

The B-52 is archaic. It was designed for area bombing, which got ****-canned with the ability to carry out devastating precision strikes. They don't belong in the AF anymore, except maybe as research testbeds. All the rest should be laid to rest in museums.
 
The A-10 is nearly 40 years old, and we have newer aircraft that are better at CAS. Let's not forget the biggest detail being ignored here, which is that the service life of the A-10 has been extended to 2040.

Which aircraft is that ?

From my own experiances the best CAS aircraft that ever flew was the Douglas A-1 Skyraider. When the A-4 Skyhawk replaced the Navy's A-1's the Air Force was quick to take them off the Navy's hand. They were then known as "Sandy."

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If it isn't broke, why fix it?

The A-10 is an excellent aircraft, with an outstandingly successful service history. It's proven itself to be durable, reliable, adaptable, lethal, and more or less cost-efficient.

Is it really necessary to replace them entirely with some fancy new jet that hasn't been tested in combat yet, and arguably is going to perform less efficiently in its assigned role than the significantly older and less expensive A-10 was able to manage?

Supposedly, the F-35 design has some real draw backs.

Pentagon: F-35 won't have a chance in real combat
 
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Your not the first to bring up having the U.S. Army take over the A-10's. But it would take an act of Congress to allow the Army to fly fixed wing combat aircraft.

Who would know better on how to provide CAS for the infantry than an infantryman who also knows how to fly ?

True, you have that with the warrent officer flight program.
 
The B-52 is archaic. It was designed for area bombing, which got ****-canned with the ability to carry out devastating precision strikes. They don't belong in the AF anymore, except maybe as research testbeds. All the rest should be laid to rest in museums.

Still, we rely heavily on them.
 
The reason A-10's are being retired is because the Joint Strike Fighter or F-35 lightning II will be able to take over the role.

That's been the plan all along.

Your rubbish about political correctness has nothing to do with it at all.

as much as the op shows heavy bias again the president,in some respects the a-10 is a valuable war machine.we were going to decomishion them in the iraq war,until they military realized how manuverable they were.


basically an a-10 can damn near do a 180 in flight like its nothing,literally nothing else we have can manuver like an a-10.its speed is slow but it was shown to be unreplaceable in the iraq invasion due to how well it handled its mission,arguably the f-35 cant replace a low flying,high payload highly manuverable plane.
 
If it isn't broke, why fix it?

The A-10 is an excellent aircraft, with an outstandingly successful service history. It's proven itself to be durable, reliable, adaptable, lethal, and more or less cost-efficient.

Is it really necessary to replace them entirely with some fancy new jet that hasn't been tested in combat yet, and arguably is going to perform less efficiently than the A-10 was able to manage?

Supposedly, the F-35 design has some real draw backs.

Pentagon: F-35 won't have a chance in real combat

Same reason we are not still flying the F-4. To keep the A-10 going, they have to replace the wings(so much for it not being broken), and even then maintenance hour per flight hour is stupid high, as is downtime for maintenance and cannibalization rate. It is expensive to keep flying, and the air force has been trying to get rid of or reduce the number of A-10s for awhile now.
 
The B-52 is archaic. It was designed for area bombing, which got ****-canned with the ability to carry out devastating precision strikes. They don't belong in the AF anymore, except maybe as research testbeds. All the rest should be laid to rest in museums.

the b-52 is still in service in the airforce,and for a reason,mainly nuclear war.

the b-52 can fly high,carry a heavy payload,and travel long ranges.under a mad situation,the b-52 serves as a backup,much like nuclear subs do.heck the russians still use their own antique bomber similiar to the b-52 for the same reasons.
 
as much as the op shows heavy bias again the president,in some respects the a-10 is a valuable war machine.we were going to decomishion them in the iraq war,until they military realized how manuverable they were.


basically an a-10 can damn near do a 180 in flight like its nothing,literally nothing else we have can manuver like an a-10.its speed is slow but it was shown to be unreplaceable in the iraq invasion due to how well it handled its mission,arguably the f-35 cant replace a low flying,high payload highly manuverable plane.

It was congress, not the military which saved the A-10. Air force and pentagon does not want it, feeling the money can be better spent.
 
The reason A-10's are being retired is because the Joint Strike Fighter or F-35 lightning II will be able to take over the role.

That's been the plan all along.

Your rubbish about political correctness has nothing to do with it at all.

The F-35 does NOT come anywhere close to doing what the A-10 can do. They were gona mothball them before the first gulf war. Then they found out just how useful they are. They do three things the F-35 cant do. It can loiter for a long time. An A-10 has superior payload capacity, to take advantage of its long loiter time. And finally it can take a beating and still complete its mission. Its a very simple aircraft for a jet. The Russians have the su-25 which performs a similar role. Don't get me wrong the F-35 can do the job, just not near as well or as cheap. To be honest they should make a drone version of the A-10 to replace it.
 
Obama's Air Force aka todays PC Air Force and Air Force Dumb plan to deactivate all of the A-10 squadrons that haven't already been deactivated in the past four years of Obama's "redefining the purpose and character of the U.S. military" or in layman terms the dismantling of our military by Obama and the radical left.

There stories here:



Air Force Mourns Likely Passing of A-10 Warthog

>" As an old Warthog pilot, Lt. Gen. Stanley E. Clarke III spoke in near mournful tones Wednesday of the likely mothballing of the venerable A-10 close air support aircraft and tank killer.

“Can we save the A-10?” was the question from the audience Wednesday at the Air Force Association’s Air & Space Conference here..."< continue-> http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/09/18/air-force-mourns-likely-passing-of-a-10-warthog/

Sen. Ayotte places hold on Air Force secretary nominee over fleet cuts

>" Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) has placed a hold on the confirmation of Air Force Secretary nominee Deborah Lee James over the Air Force’s potential retirement of the entire A-10 fleet.

An aide to Ayotte said the senator has placed a hold on James’s nomination so she can get her questions answered about why the Air Force would consider divesting its A-10 fleet.

Ayotte views the possible cut as a readiness issue and is concerned over whether there is a valid replacement for the A-10, the aide said..."<

Read more: Sen. Ayotte places hold on Air Force secretary nominee over fleet cuts - The Hill's DEFCON Hill

Deborah Lee James, Obama's nomination for the next Secretary of the Air Force. Ring a bell ? She was part of Clinton's DoD when he was dumbing down the military and over downsizing the military. Is there a political agenda here ?

Remember, Secretary of Defense Hagel said the main mission of the U.S. military is fighting sexual assaults not defending America and killing our enemies. It's now all about social engineering and for those who are serving today and don't like it, the word is to get out.

SECAF nominee: Commanders should be held accountable for sexual assault | Air Force Times | airforcetimes.com

Tucson will never be the same. At least they will be nearby. :p
 
Which aircraft is that ?

From my own experiances the best CAS aircraft that ever flew was the Douglas A-1 Skyraider. When the A-4 Skyhawk replaced the Navy's A-1's the Air Force was quick to take them off the Navy's hand. They were then known as "Sandy."

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We require close air support that is relevant to todays battlefield, we have attack helicopters, light fighter/bomber aircraft, and the AC-130 gunship. If that means cutting aircraft that are no longer relevant, then so be it. Sentimental value is irrelevant in combat.
 
The B-52 is archaic. It was designed for area bombing, which got ****-canned with the ability to carry out devastating precision strikes. They don't belong in the AF anymore, except maybe as research testbeds. All the rest should be laid to rest in museums.

The B-52 is a bomb dump truck. That's why they keep it around. It can load up on those precision bombs and with its fuel load loiter for very long periods of time.
 
It was congress, not the military which saved the A-10. Air force and pentagon does not want it, feeling the money can be better spent.

congress may have saved it,but i have yet to see any military personel outside officer bean counters who want it gone,simply for the fact nothing else we have does a better job as seen in iraq and afghanistan.

ofcourse to some fullbirds and higher who sit in an office counting costs and have never seen it fly,they will obviously be against the bird.also i also think when the plans for their decomission started,they had never imagined wars like iraq and afghanistan,thus figured such a plane well adapted to that situation wasnt needed,because they never planned to enter that situation.
 
If it isn't broke, why fix it?

The A-10 is an excellent aircraft, with an outstandingly successful service history. It's proven itself to be durable, reliable, adaptable, lethal, and more or less cost-efficient.

Is it really necessary to replace them entirely with some fancy new jet that hasn't been tested in combat yet, and arguably is going to perform less efficiently in its assigned role than the significantly older and less expensive A-10 was able to manage?

Supposedly, the F-35 design has some real draw backs.

Pentagon: F-35 won't have a chance in real combat

The reason the Marines and eventually the Navy stopped flying the A-1 Skyraider which no other aircraft was ever to match for providing CAS for ground troops, it was slow. Pilots don't like flying slow aircraft in rifle range of enemy troops. But a CAS aircraft has to be slow to stay on the target and put the ordnance exactly where it belonged.

What the A-10 had that no other aircraft ever had was that the pilot of an A-10 basically sat in a titanium armor bathtub. The A-10 was capable of surving in combat while providing CAS.
 
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