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90 Minutes of "Insurrection"

There is a 90 minute video posted below that follows one guy's documentation of the storming of the Capitol. It starts before the breach, shows the beginning of the breach (at one location), shows what happened after the breach and as protesters were inside the Capitol. The video isn't particularly narrated and, personally, I have a hard time figuring out if the guy running the camera is pro-Trump or pro-riot. He certainly seems to be drawn to "spicy" activities, to use his term.

The video does show the Ashli Babbit shooting and one of the more common clips going around of the shooting is excerpted from this video. Just so anyone that chooses to watch this thing knows, that incident is in here. The language is often rather vulgar as well so, all things considered, this probably isn't something you want to watch while at work.



I also want to comment a little about this. Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. This video doesn't change that opinion one bit. For the first 20 minutes or so the cameraman is making his way to the Capitol building and protesters are just wandering the streets. As he approaches the Capitol the crowd becomes a LOT more boisterous but even at that there is a large percentage of the crowd that's peaceful. Even after the pushing starts there are still a whole lot of people trying to calm the crowd and push back. Unfortunately, those that were bent on getting into the building made it next to impossible for those around them to escape or avoid moving with the wave.

If you watch the video you'll see cops generally trying their best to maintain control and you'll see protesters that generally just get caught up in what's happening behind them. You will see agitators, to be sure. You'll hear calls for violence and you'll hear calls for calm. What you won't hear or see is any kind of coordinated effort to kidnap congressmen or to take over the government. You'll see chaos. It's all kind of like the dog that finally catches the car and has no idea what to do next.

To be fair, the whole thing kind of breaks my heart. The attack accomplished absolutely nothing. Yeah, it was a political statement but it wasn't an organized, coherent statement in any way, shape or form. Even after the people got inside the building the sense is more "We did it! What now?" than anything else. The guy with the camera seems to be as much interested in getting something "historical" on film than on actually accomplishing anything beneficial and I can't help but think that most of the other "insurgents" were feeling the same way.

If the video shows anything meaningful it's just a view of what America looks like when our primary concern is "Likes", "retweets" and "viewer count". There is nothing "majestic" in what was done and all the messages on both sides simply drown each other out. For those on the left, this wasn't the "Trump fueled insurrection" you want the nation to believe it was. For those on the right, it wasn't "Standing up for the principles of liberty".

It was a mess and that's all that it was. High ideals require strong foundations to support them and there is no foundation in anarchy.


The foundation was in anti-democracy and fascism. The goal was to force Congress to seat a person who lost an election. They did this because of the narrative created and amplified by Donald Trump.

Donald Trump owns this every bit as much as the guy who beat the police officer to death.
 
Perhaps you should read your party's Article of Impeachment.

Arrogance and ignorance is bad combination.
Read this instead. Trump impeached for the second time. I think we need a fifty first state for trump supporters. We'll call it denial. No matter what you think, trump is twice impeached. You were saying?
 
No one thinks that one speech alone is what caused it.

Well, evidently your party thinks otherwise. The only evidence they cited was one sentence out of the speech and the phone call to that douchbag Raffensperger .
 
Read this instead. Trump impeached for the second time. I think we need a fifty first state for trump supporters. We'll call it denial. No matter what you think, trump is twice impeached. You were saying?
And acquitted twice. Your point other than the House has been controlled by hyper partisan rabid Democrrats?
 
You claim above that the crowd was “all fired up on emotion”. Do you think that the speeches by Trump, Guiliani, and Eric Trump contributed to that, and if so, what the consequences for them should be legally.
Those people were fired up well before Trump and Giuliani said anything. Most of them have probably been getting more and more fired up since at least 2016 and many since well before that.
 
And acquitted twice. Your point other than the House has been controlled by hyper partisan rabid Democrrats?
He has not been acquitted twice. Other than the senate mockery have you ever heard of a trial with no witnesses? Me neither. Wonder why mitch didn't see fit to call any? I think you have your partisanship on the wrong foot.
 
What about the bombs found at the RNC and DNC locations and the Molotov cocktails (a lot of them) found in a truck along with fire arms? Guys in tactical gear running around with zip ties? It certainly wasn't standing up for any principals but it was far worse than an out of hand kegger.
Yeah. Like I said in the analogy, everything tends to go along well until a few rowdies show up. If you watch the video you'll see that all along the crowd is generally docile until they get pushed from behind. There were ABSOLUTELY agitators in the crowd.
 
Those people were fired up well before Trump and Giuliani said anything. Most of them have probably been getting more and more fired up since at least 2016 and many since well before that.
And you still refuse to condemn them. Imagine that!
 
He has not been acquitted twice. Other than the senate mockery have you ever heard of a trial with no witnesses? Me neither. Wonder why mitch didn't see fit to call any? I think you have your partisanship on the wrong foot.
LOL you think he's going to be convicted? Good luck with that.

There were witnesses in the first Dem sham. 13 of them.
 
You are downplaying this incident like trump downplayed the coronavirus. You are correct about one thing, once they got inside the capitol they were wondering what to do next because trump wasn't there to tell them. On the other hand there were some in the crowd who knew exactly what they were their for, to hang mike pence and anyone else they might be able to get their hands on in congress. What's the purpose of the zip ties, the noose outside? Your side will not get away with excuses. We want accountability. Excuses is what got us to this craziness, nobody holding trump accountable.
The video I posted doesn't show every angle and it doesn't show every incident. Like I've said, I have no doubt that there were agitators in the crowd. The VAST majority of the crowd was there to protest but, as happens when the knuckleheads decide to cut loose, things can get out of hand rather quickly.

The video presents a clear indication that NOT everyone was there to raise hell.
 
Trump was impeached for inciting the riot. He was impeached because he told people to march to the Capitol and peacefully protests so, obviously, if you read between the lines, that means "storm the joint!"....except that those words couldn't have "incited" a crowd that was already prepared to storm the joint.

If you actually watch the video you will likely see what you want to see. If you watch it objectively you'll see that there were a lot of people caught up in the emotion of the moment and a handful of agitators quite literally pushing from behind.

The large presence of ‘mostly clueless’ protestors does not mitigate the actual death, violence and destruction which occurred during the ‘event’. As more of those involved are rounded up and arrested, it is very likely that some of them will turn states evidence in exchange for immunity and/or sweet plea deals and the full extent of the pre-planning will come into clear prosecutorial focus. Whether that goes all the way to Trump (or his close assigns) remains to be seen.
 
The video I posted doesn't show every angle and it doesn't show every incident. Like I've said, I have no doubt that there were agitators in the crowd. The VAST majority of the crowd was there to protest but, as happens when the knuckleheads decide to cut loose, things can get out of hand rather quickly.

The video presents a clear indication that NOT everyone was there to raise hell.
Oh, ok then all is forgiven. Your excuses are noted but don't change a thing.
 
Yeah. Like I said in the analogy, everything tends to go along well until a few rowdies show up. If you watch the video you'll see that all along the crowd is generally docile until they get pushed from behind. There were ABSOLUTELY agitators in the crowd.
Frankly I'm amazed there wasn't more loss of life, damage, injuries, etc. considering the circumstances. I think the speakers at the rally need to be held accountable. Trump told them they need to show strength, keep fighting and that he would march with them to the Capitol (chickened out I guess). Brooks told them to start taking names and kicking ass while crazy Rudy made the trial by combat statement. All in the context of a "stolen election". What did they think would happen?
 
The large presence of ‘mostly clueless’ protestors does not mitigate the actual death, violence and destruction which occurred during the ‘event’. As more of those involved are rounded up and arrested, it is very likely that some of them will turn states evidence in exchange for immunity and/or sweet plea deals and the full extent of the pre-planning will come into clear prosecutorial focus. Whether that goes all the way to Trump (or his close assigns) remains to be seen.
It's HIGHLY unlikely that anyone remotely close to Trump in any way aided in organizing an attack on the Capitol. I suppose it can't be ruled out explicitly but that kind of thing isn't close to the way Trump operates.

FWIW, the guy that took the video has now been arrested. If you get down to the "Conclusions of Affiant" section you'll get a good idea of what most of the participants will be charged with - https://embed.documentcloud.org/documents/20454634-sullivan_complaint_affidavit

I have no doubt that some of the parties involved had rather grandiose plans regarding what they might accomplish but for the most part those of us on or near the fringes hear "FBI! Entrapment!" every time someone suggests a really crazy plan.
 
Frankly I'm amazed there wasn't more loss of life, damage, injuries, etc. considering the circumstances. I think the speakers at the rally need to be held accountable. Trump told them they need to show strength, keep fighting and that he would march with them to the Capitol (chickened out I guess). Brooks told them to start taking names and kicking ass while crazy Rudy made the trial by combat statement. All in the context of a "stolen election". What did they think would happen?
The reason there wasn't more damage and loss of life is because this wasn't a planned insurrection. If a crowd that size was anything close to organized and intent on stopping legislative proceedings or "taking over the government" they'd still be cleaning up the blood that got spilled.
 
You are downplaying this incident like trump downplayed the coronavirus. You are correct about one thing, once they got inside the capitol they were wondering what to do next because trump wasn't there to tell them. On the other hand there were some in the crowd who knew exactly what they were their for, to hang mike pence and anyone else they might be able to get their hands on in congress. What's the purpose of the zip ties, the noose outside? Your side will not get away with excuses. We want accountability. Excuses is what got us to this craziness, nobody holding trump accountable.

Ask BLM. At least one of their activists was arrested storming the Capitol along with the others. Though he is trying to claim he went in just to document it.
 
Ask BLM. At least one of their activists was arrested storming the Capitol along with the others. Though he is trying to claim he went in just to document it.
One person does not make a movement it that info is even accurate.
 
obviously, if you read between the lines,

"We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong. "


"And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore"
 
Ask BLM. At least one of their activists was arrested storming the Capitol along with the others. Though he is trying to claim he went in just to document it.
The guy you're talking about is the one who recorded the video in the OP.
 
One person does not make a movement it that info is even accurate.
Is that a fact? So if there was just one guy and this Capitol incident that was a troublemaker then it wouldn't be a "movement", right?
 
Is that a fact? So if there was just one guy and this Capitol incident that was a troublemaker then it wouldn't be a "movement", right?
Is there a point to your statement? If it were one person do you think that one person would have made it past the capitol police and do all that damage on their own. Your attempt to defend these insurgents is appalling.
 
Original post seems like a big fat excuse for terrorists.
 
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