90 Minutes of "Insurrection"

[Lutherf]

There is a 90 minute video posted below that follows one guy's documentation of the storming of the Capitol. It starts before the breach, shows the beginning of the breach (at one location), shows what happened after the breach and as protesters were inside the Capitol. The video isn't particularly narrated and, personally, I have a hard time figuring out if the guy running the camera is pro-Trump or pro-riot. He certainly seems to be drawn to "spicy" activities, to use his term.

The video does show the Ashli Babbit shooting and one of the more common clips going around of the shooting is excerpted from this video. Just so anyone that chooses to watch this thing knows, that incident is in here. The language is often rather vulgar as well so, all things considered, this probably isn't something you want to watch while at work.



I also want to comment a little about this. Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. This video doesn't change that opinion one bit. For the first 20 minutes or so the cameraman is making his way to the Capitol building and protesters are just wandering the streets. As he approaches the Capitol the crowd becomes a LOT more boisterous but even at that there is a large percentage of the crowd that's peaceful. Even after the pushing starts there are still a whole lot of people trying to calm the crowd and push back. Unfortunately, those that were bent on getting into the building made it next to impossible for those around them to escape or avoid moving with the wave.

If you watch the video you'll see cops generally trying their best to maintain control and you'll see protesters that generally just get caught up in what's happening behind them. You will see agitators, to be sure. You'll hear calls for violence and you'll hear calls for calm. What you won't hear or see is any kind of coordinated effort to kidnap congressmen or to take over the government. You'll see chaos. It's all kind of like the dog that finally catches the car and has no idea what to do next.

To be fair, the whole thing kind of breaks my heart. The attack accomplished absolutely nothing. Yeah, it was a political statement but it wasn't an organized, coherent statement in any way, shape or form. Even after the people got inside the building the sense is more "We did it! What now?" than anything else. The guy with the camera seems to be as much interested in getting something "historical" on film than on actually accomplishing anything beneficial and I can't help but think that most of the other "insurgents" were feeling the same way.

If the video shows anything meaningful it's just a view of what America looks like when our primary concern is "Likes", "retweets" and "viewer count". There is nothing "majestic" in what was done and all the messages on both sides simply drown each other out. For those on the left, this wasn't the "Trump fueled insurrection" you want the nation to believe it was. For those on the right, it wasn't "Standing up for the principles of liberty".

It was a mess and that's all that it was. High ideals require strong foundations to support them and there is no foundation in anarchy.

 

[Deuce]

Zip cuffs, firearms, explosives, intelligence gathering ahead of the fact, capitol defenses actively sabotaged, radios used to coordinate groups moving through the complex. Sure. Frat party out of hand.

You're a terrorist sympathizer, OP, that's why you don't have a problem with all this.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Just stop.

This wasnt an out of hand college party. It was a direct assault on our government.

 

[Rawley]

Zip cuffs, firearms, explosives, intelligence gathering ahead of the fact, capitol defenses actively sabotaged, radios used to coordinate groups moving through the complex. Sure. Frat party out of hand.

You're a terrorist sympathizer, OP, that's why you don't have a problem with all this.

You understand that all of that evidence cuts against the impeachment and removal of the President, don't you?

 

[Deuce]

You understand that all of that evidence cuts against the impeachment and removal of the President, don't you?

It does not cut against the impeachment and removal of the president, no. Why would it?

 

[Utility Man]

Just a couple of innocent bystanders.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Murdering a Capitol police officer is not some college frat party prank.

Geezus Holy Christ. The seditionists on this board want us to pretend we didn't see what we all saw.

 

[Deuce]

Murdering a Capitol police officer is not some college frat party prank.

Geezus Holy Christ. The seditionists on this board want us to pretend we didn't see what we all saw.

Continuous gaslighting is a core pillar of fascism.

 

[Rawley]

It does not cut against the impeachment and removal of the president, no. Why would it?

It shows the "terrorists" planned the attack all out in advance, and had absolutely nothing to do with the President's speech.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

It shows the "terrorists" planned the attack all out in advance, and had absolutely nothing to do with the President's speech.

D- for effort.

The President didnt cause what happened, but he didnt do anything to stop it either. You keep hanging your hat on the fact that he didnt directly call for that shit at THAT speech on THAT day. That dog dont hunt...

The problem is that he has spent the last two months liking and retweeting the comments of those who HAVE been calling for it. He basically gave his tacit approval for those comments by lending the credence by retweeting and liking them.

Your stance is like trying to say the words of a coach before a big game mean nothing because the players had already showed up to play.

 

[Rawley]

D- for effort.

The President didnt cause what happened, but he didnt do anything to stop it either. You keep hanging your hat on the fact that he didnt directly call for that shit at THAT speech on THAT day. That dog dont hunt...

The problem is that he has spent the last two months liking and retweeting the comments of those who HAVE been calling for it. He basically gave his tacit approval for those comments by lending the credence by retweeting and liking them.

Your stance is like trying to say the words of a coach before a big game mean nothing because the players had already showed up to play.

Perhaps you should read your party's Article of Impeachment.

Arrogance and ignorance is bad combination.

 

[phoenix2020]

I am sure for some this was as much "let's do stupid things together" more than anything else.

However that doesn't change the fact that they knowingly attempted to disrupt the electoral count by Congress--right date, right hour, right location--in an effort to stop Joe Biden's transition to the White House because they had been fed a steady diet of lies by Trump and his enablers. That's insurrection. Yes it's immature, stupid, tragic and completely counterproductive. But it's still insurrection.... just insurrection by a group of mostly clowns.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Perhaps you should read your party's Article of Impeachment.

Arrogance and ignorance is bad combination.

Perhaps you should get some comprehension and then get back to me.

They didnt impeach him for one speech.

 

[BlueTex]

There is a 90 minute video posted below that follows one guy's documentation of the storming of the Capitol. It starts before the breach, shows the beginning of the breach (at one location), shows what happened after the breach and as protesters were inside the Capitol. The video isn't particularly narrated and, personally, I have a hard time figuring out if the guy running the camera is pro-Trump or pro-riot. He certainly seems to be drawn to "spicy" activities, to use his term.

The video does show the Ashli Babbit shooting and one of the more common clips going around of the shooting is excerpted from this video. Just so anyone that chooses to watch this thing knows, that incident is in here. The language is often rather vulgar as well so, all things considered, this probably isn't something you want to watch while at work.



I also want to comment a little about this. Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. This video doesn't change that opinion one bit. For the first 20 minutes or so the cameraman is making his way to the Capitol building and protesters are just wandering the streets. As he approaches the Capitol the crowd becomes a LOT more boisterous but even at that there is a large percentage of the crowd that's peaceful. Even after the pushing starts there are still a whole lot of people trying to calm the crowd and push back. Unfortunately, those that were bent on getting into the building made it next to impossible for those around them to escape or avoid moving with the wave.

If you watch the video you'll see cops generally trying their best to maintain control and you'll see protesters that generally just get caught up in what's happening behind them. You will see agitators, to be sure. You'll hear calls for violence and you'll hear calls for calm. What you won't hear or see is any kind of coordinated effort to kidnap congressmen or to take over the government. You'll see chaos. It's all kind of like the dog that finally catches the car and has no idea what to do next.

To be fair, the whole thing kind of breaks my heart. The attack accomplished absolutely nothing. Yeah, it was a political statement but it wasn't an organized, coherent statement in any way, shape or form. Even after the people got inside the building the sense is more "We did it! What now?" than anything else. The guy with the camera seems to be as much interested in getting something "historical" on film than on actually accomplishing anything beneficial and I can't help but think that most of the other "insurgents" were feeling the same way.

If the video shows anything meaningful it's just a view of what America looks like when our primary concern is "Likes", "retweets" and "viewer count". There is nothing "majestic" in what was done and all the messages on both sides simply drown each other out. For those on the left, this wasn't the "Trump fueled insurrection" you want the nation to believe it was. For those on the right, it wasn't "Standing up for the principles of liberty".

It was a mess and that's all that it was. High ideals require strong foundations to support them and there is no foundation in anarchy.

i doubt after 10 years in federal prison those involved will equate it to a college kegger.

 

[Rawley]

Perhaps you should get some comprehension and then get back to me.

They didnt impeach him for one speech.

The only other thing they cited was his phone call to that douchbag Raffensperger and clearly that cannot be an Incitement to Insurrection as it was a private phone call.

 

[watsup]

There is a 90 minute video posted below that follows one guy's documentation of the storming of the Capitol. It starts before the breach, shows the beginning of the breach (at one location), shows what happened after the breach and as protesters were inside the Capitol. The video isn't particularly narrated and, personally, I have a hard time figuring out if the guy running the camera is pro-Trump or pro-riot. He certainly seems to be drawn to "spicy" activities, to use his term.

The video does show the Ashli Babbit shooting and one of the more common clips going around of the shooting is excerpted from this video. Just so anyone that chooses to watch this thing knows, that incident is in here. The language is often rather vulgar as well so, all things considered, this probably isn't something you want to watch while at work.



I also want to comment a little about this. Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. This video doesn't change that opinion one bit. For the first 20 minutes or so the cameraman is making his way to the Capitol building and protesters are just wandering the streets. As he approaches the Capitol the crowd becomes a LOT more boisterous but even at that there is a large percentage of the crowd that's peaceful. Even after the pushing starts there are still a whole lot of people trying to calm the crowd and push back. Unfortunately, those that were bent on getting into the building made it next to impossible for those around them to escape or avoid moving with the wave.

If you watch the video you'll see cops generally trying their best to maintain control and you'll see protesters that generally just get caught up in what's happening behind them. You will see agitators, to be sure. You'll hear calls for violence and you'll hear calls for calm. What you won't hear or see is any kind of coordinated effort to kidnap congressmen or to take over the government. You'll see chaos. It's all kind of like the dog that finally catches the car and has no idea what to do next.

To be fair, the whole thing kind of breaks my heart. The attack accomplished absolutely nothing. Yeah, it was a political statement but it wasn't an organized, coherent statement in any way, shape or form. Even after the people got inside the building the sense is more "We did it! What now?" than anything else. The guy with the camera seems to be as much interested in getting something "historical" on film than on actually accomplishing anything beneficial and I can't help but think that most of the other "insurgents" were feeling the same way.

If the video shows anything meaningful it's just a view of what America looks like when our primary concern is "Likes", "retweets" and "viewer count". There is nothing "majestic" in what was done and all the messages on both sides simply drown each other out. For those on the left, this wasn't the "Trump fueled insurrection" you want the nation to believe it was. For those on the right, it wasn't "Standing up for the principles of liberty".

It was a mess and that's all that it was. High ideals require strong foundations to support them and there is no foundation in anarchy.

What are your thoughts about the Capitol policemen who was beaten by the crowd, the one who died from being hit on the head with a fire extinguisher, and the dozens of others who were injured, including many who had to go to the hospital?

 

[Lutherf]

It does not cut against the impeachment and removal of the president, no. Why would it?

Trump was impeached for inciting the riot. He was impeached because he told people to march to the Capitol and peacefully protests so, obviously, if you read between the lines, that means "storm the joint!"....except that those words couldn't have "incited" a crowd that was already prepared to storm the joint.

If you actually watch the video you will likely see what you want to see. If you watch it objectively you'll see that there were a lot of people caught up in the emotion of the moment and a handful of agitators quite literally pushing from behind.

 

[Helix]

it's pretty common to bring zip ties when one is doing the amateur steeplechase in restricted areas. why is everyone getting so excited?

lol

 

[Lutherf]

What are your thoughts about the Capitol policemen who was beaten by the crowd, the one who died from being hit on the head with a fire extinguisher, and the dozens of others who were injured, including many who had to go to the hospital?

I'm not happy about ANYBODY that got injured during the riot. Riots, by their very nature, are dangerous and should be avoided. Whenever you get a crowd that's all fired up on emotion rational thought tends to take a back seat and people get hurt. Comparing it to the "kegger" analogy, it's generally one of those "hold muh beer" kind of things and they go wrong far more often than they go right. If your goal is to make a political statement then you're MUCH better off doing so without letting things get out of hand.

 

[lwf]

It shows the "terrorists" planned the attack all out in advance, and had absolutely nothing to do with the President's speech.

No one thinks that one speech alone is what caused it. It was the narrative he's been pushing for months that the election would be rigged against him and stolen. It's the endless barrage of tweets inciting anger and undermining democracy. It's the retweets directly calling for violence and uprisings.

That is why he is being impeached. The dipshit campaign rally at the capitol is just the cherry on top. The reason this insurrection was planned is DIRECTLY because of Donald Trump's words and actions over the course of the entire election, and his impeachment is due to his blatant refusal to take responsibility.

 

[watsup]

I'm not happy about ANYBODY that got injured during the riot. Riots, by their very nature, are dangerous and should be avoided. Whenever you get a crowd that's all fired up on emotion rational thought tends to take a back seat and people get hurt. Comparing it to the "kegger" analogy, it's generally one of those "hold muh beer" kind of things and they go wrong far more often than they go right. If your goal is to make a political statement then you're MUCH better off doing so without letting things get out of hand.

You claim above that the crowd was “all fired up on emotion”. Do you think that the speeches by Trump, Guiliani, and Eric Trump contributed to that, and if so, what the consequences for them should be legally.

 

[Hari Seldon]

There is a 90 minute video posted below that follows one guy's documentation of the storming of the Capitol. It starts before the breach, shows the beginning of the breach (at one location), shows what happened after the breach and as protesters were inside the Capitol. The video isn't particularly narrated and, personally, I have a hard time figuring out if the guy running the camera is pro-Trump or pro-riot. He certainly seems to be drawn to "spicy" activities, to use his term.

The video does show the Ashli Babbit shooting and one of the more common clips going around of the shooting is excerpted from this video. Just so anyone that chooses to watch this thing knows, that incident is in here. The language is often rather vulgar as well so, all things considered, this probably isn't something you want to watch while at work.



I also want to comment a little about this. Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. This video doesn't change that opinion one bit. For the first 20 minutes or so the cameraman is making his way to the Capitol building and protesters are just wandering the streets. As he approaches the Capitol the crowd becomes a LOT more boisterous but even at that there is a large percentage of the crowd that's peaceful. Even after the pushing starts there are still a whole lot of people trying to calm the crowd and push back. Unfortunately, those that were bent on getting into the building made it next to impossible for those around them to escape or avoid moving with the wave.

If you watch the video you'll see cops generally trying their best to maintain control and you'll see protesters that generally just get caught up in what's happening behind them. You will see agitators, to be sure. You'll hear calls for violence and you'll hear calls for calm. What you won't hear or see is any kind of coordinated effort to kidnap congressmen or to take over the government. You'll see chaos. It's all kind of like the dog that finally catches the car and has no idea what to do next.

To be fair, the whole thing kind of breaks my heart. The attack accomplished absolutely nothing. Yeah, it was a political statement but it wasn't an organized, coherent statement in any way, shape or form. Even after the people got inside the building the sense is more "We did it! What now?" than anything else. The guy with the camera seems to be as much interested in getting something "historical" on film than on actually accomplishing anything beneficial and I can't help but think that most of the other "insurgents" were feeling the same way.

If the video shows anything meaningful it's just a view of what America looks like when our primary concern is "Likes", "retweets" and "viewer count". There is nothing "majestic" in what was done and all the messages on both sides simply drown each other out. For those on the left, this wasn't the "Trump fueled insurrection" you want the nation to believe it was. For those on the right, it wasn't "Standing up for the principles of liberty".

It was a mess and that's all that it was. High ideals require strong foundations to support them and there is no foundation in anarchy.

What about the bombs found at the RNC and DNC locations and the Molotov cocktails (a lot of them) found in a truck along with fire arms? Guys in tactical gear running around with zip ties? It certainly wasn't standing up for any principals but it was far worse than an out of hand kegger.

 

[beefheart]

There is a 90 minute video posted below that follows one guy's documentation of the storming of the Capitol. It starts before the breach, shows the beginning of the breach (at one location), shows what happened after the breach and as protesters were inside the Capitol. The video isn't particularly narrated and, personally, I have a hard time figuring out if the guy running the camera is pro-Trump or pro-riot. He certainly seems to be drawn to "spicy" activities, to use his term.

The video does show the Ashli Babbit shooting and one of the more common clips going around of the shooting is excerpted from this video. Just so anyone that chooses to watch this thing knows, that incident is in here. The language is often rather vulgar as well so, all things considered, this probably isn't something you want to watch while at work.



I also want to comment a little about this. Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. This video doesn't change that opinion one bit. For the first 20 minutes or so the cameraman is making his way to the Capitol building and protesters are just wandering the streets. As he approaches the Capitol the crowd becomes a LOT more boisterous but even at that there is a large percentage of the crowd that's peaceful. Even after the pushing starts there are still a whole lot of people trying to calm the crowd and push back. Unfortunately, those that were bent on getting into the building made it next to impossible for those around them to escape or avoid moving with the wave.

If you watch the video you'll see cops generally trying their best to maintain control and you'll see protesters that generally just get caught up in what's happening behind them. You will see agitators, to be sure. You'll hear calls for violence and you'll hear calls for calm. What you won't hear or see is any kind of coordinated effort to kidnap congressmen or to take over the government. You'll see chaos. It's all kind of like the dog that finally catches the car and has no idea what to do next.

To be fair, the whole thing kind of breaks my heart. The attack accomplished absolutely nothing. Yeah, it was a political statement but it wasn't an organized, coherent statement in any way, shape or form. Even after the people got inside the building the sense is more "We did it! What now?" than anything else. The guy with the camera seems to be as much interested in getting something "historical" on film than on actually accomplishing anything beneficial and I can't help but think that most of the other "insurgents" were feeling the same way.

If the video shows anything meaningful it's just a view of what America looks like when our primary concern is "Likes", "retweets" and "viewer count". There is nothing "majestic" in what was done and all the messages on both sides simply drown each other out. For those on the left, this wasn't the "Trump fueled insurrection" you want the nation to believe it was. For those on the right, it wasn't "Standing up for the principles of liberty".

It was a mess and that's all that it was. High ideals require strong foundations to support them and there is no foundation in anarchy.

What chutzpah.

You seem to want to shrug off violent domestic terrorism.

Unbelievable.

 

[bongsaway]

There is a 90 minute video posted below that follows one guy's documentation of the storming of the Capitol. It starts before the breach, shows the beginning of the breach (at one location), shows what happened after the breach and as protesters were inside the Capitol. The video isn't particularly narrated and, personally, I have a hard time figuring out if the guy running the camera is pro-Trump or pro-riot. He certainly seems to be drawn to "spicy" activities, to use his term.

The video does show the Ashli Babbit shooting and one of the more common clips going around of the shooting is excerpted from this video. Just so anyone that chooses to watch this thing knows, that incident is in here. The language is often rather vulgar as well so, all things considered, this probably isn't something you want to watch while at work.



I also want to comment a little about this. Like I wrote in another thread, I view this "insurgency" as kind of a college kegger that got way out of hand. This video doesn't change that opinion one bit. For the first 20 minutes or so the cameraman is making his way to the Capitol building and protesters are just wandering the streets. As he approaches the Capitol the crowd becomes a LOT more boisterous but even at that there is a large percentage of the crowd that's peaceful. Even after the pushing starts there are still a whole lot of people trying to calm the crowd and push back. Unfortunately, those that were bent on getting into the building made it next to impossible for those around them to escape or avoid moving with the wave.

If you watch the video you'll see cops generally trying their best to maintain control and you'll see protesters that generally just get caught up in what's happening behind them. You will see agitators, to be sure. You'll hear calls for violence and you'll hear calls for calm. What you won't hear or see is any kind of coordinated effort to kidnap congressmen or to take over the government. You'll see chaos. It's all kind of like the dog that finally catches the car and has no idea what to do next.

To be fair, the whole thing kind of breaks my heart. The attack accomplished absolutely nothing. Yeah, it was a political statement but it wasn't an organized, coherent statement in any way, shape or form. Even after the people got inside the building the sense is more "We did it! What now?" than anything else. The guy with the camera seems to be as much interested in getting something "historical" on film than on actually accomplishing anything beneficial and I can't help but think that most of the other "insurgents" were feeling the same way.

If the video shows anything meaningful it's just a view of what America looks like when our primary concern is "Likes", "retweets" and "viewer count". There is nothing "majestic" in what was done and all the messages on both sides simply drown each other out. For those on the left, this wasn't the "Trump fueled insurrection" you want the nation to believe it was. For those on the right, it wasn't "Standing up for the principles of liberty".

It was a mess and that's all that it was. High ideals require strong foundations to support them and there is no foundation in anarchy.

You are downplaying this incident like trump downplayed the coronavirus. You are correct about one thing, once they got inside the capitol they were wondering what to do next because trump wasn't there to tell them. On the other hand there were some in the crowd who knew exactly what they were their for, to hang mike pence and anyone else they might be able to get their hands on in congress. What's the purpose of the zip ties, the noose outside? Your side will not get away with excuses. We want accountability. Excuses is what got us to this craziness, nobody holding trump accountable.

 

[bongsaway]

It shows the "terrorists" planned the attack all out in advance, and had absolutely nothing to do with the President's speech.

He told them to come ready to fight, they did.