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kamino

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there are plenty of reasons for crying on 9/11
not ashamed to admit I had some tears running yesterday remembering those i lost
probably part of the reason i have not slept 3 nights this week, including tonight

but this BS you are posting most definitely is not a reason
how the hell do you manage to ever leave your house if this nonsense sends you into the fetal position for an hour? :roll:
 
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there are plenty of reasons for crying on 9/11
not ashamed to admit I had some tears running yesterday remembering those i lost
probably part of the reason i have not slept 3 nights this week, including tonight

Don't you want justice for those you lost, and all those who died? According to a growing number of scientists, architects, pilots, and scholars, neither the 9/11 Commission nor the NIST report have adequately answered questions about 9/11. There should be an independent investigation.
 
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there are plenty of reasons for crying on 9/11
not ashamed to admit I had some tears running yesterday remembering those i lost
probably part of the reason i have not slept 3 nights this week, including tonight

but this BS you are posting most definitely is not a reason
how the hell do you manage to ever leave your house if this nonsense sends you into the fetal position for an hour? :roll:


Oh I'm sorry, because there are no questions to be answered and the governemnt tell the truth about every thing. The way those buildings fell did not even seem the slightest bit odd to you? Or how all those police officers, fire fighters and medical workers said they heard pops or saw flashes did not seem strange to you? Did it not seem odd to you when asked about these things the government will not answer? To many things just seem odd for it all to be as the government says. Did you even watch the whole video?
 
Oh I'm sorry, because there are no questions to be answered and the governemnt tell the truth about every thing. The way those buildings fell did not even seem the slightest bit odd to you?

Odd? No. Airplanes, giant freakin' airplanes, flew into them.

Or how all those police officers, fire fighters and medical workers said they heard pops or saw flashes did not seem strange to you? Did it not seem odd to you when asked about these things the government will not answer? To many things just seem odd for it all to be as the government says. Did you even watch the whole video?

First of all, absolutely none of that proves a conspiracy.

The problem is that most "truth"ers spend all their energy blasting holes in the explanation (the empirically observable FACT) that two big honkin' airplanes smashed into the building and caused extreme structural damage to the building.

This is observable fact.

The problem with the convoluted, unproven theory of a conspiracy is the fact that it takes a giant **** on Occam's Razor and replaces that with basically nothing.

The "evidence" presented is always very suspect, and fails to accurately portray the science. It makes dubious comparisons of other high rise fires that do not have the second factor of the MASSIVE projectile impact.

The velocity of the airplanes are estimated around 400 MPH. The maximum takeoff weight of a 757 is 250,000 lbs (125 tons). It is even more for a 767.

Thus, the momentum of impact is about the same as a 1 ton meteor with a velocity of 50,000 MPH! Even if we assume the velocity at 200 MPH the momentum of impact is still like a 1 ton meteor traveling 25,000 MPH. That's gonna leave a mark, to say the least. Especially on a hollow structure that offers no lateral strength (like an aluminum can).


The sweet irony, is that "truthers" will use that momentum "evidence" to attack one point while simultaneously ignoring it regarding their attacks on other points!


There problem is not disproving the fact that the towers were hit with airplanes. That is impossible. It is that truthers cannot prove their allegations at all. Any detailed objective analysis of the two explanations will always lead to a full dismissal of the truthers allegations as unfounded, unproven, and irrational.

Because even if the truthers could show evidence that the official explanation is unlikely, their allegations will still fail the logical test miserably. It's purely the application of Occam's Razor. If given two probabilities that are unlikely, the least unlikely explanation (simplest) is usually correct. Until evidence is given that changes the level of "unlikely" in the official explanation (not really all that unlikely given all the data) and the conspiracy (really, really, really unlikely in the sense that it assumes an extreme level of government competence that is unsupported by simple observance of government at any level)

Until truthers stop trying to disprove the given explanation and start proving theirs, they will never successfully argue their case of Government involvement.

When they can do that efficiently and effectively, I will give them their due. I honestly doubt they will ever make their case effectively, though, because they will ignore the disconfirming evidence of their beliefs in favor of what they want to believe.
 
It could not have been an inside Job.

Look at the level of planning and intelligence that would have been required.

Now look at the planning and intelligence applied towards the 2 wars and what happened after 911.

It does not match.
If this was an inside job, the planning for what we did next would have been on the same level. We would have launched a much larger Invasion and tossed some nukes around to places like North Korea and Iran.

It is possible that elements that pull the strings on morons such as Bush, knew 911 was coming.
It is even probable that Cheney's corporation knew to pre position themself to be the only contract bidder.
But its not enough.

If it was pre planned, we would have gone in much harder and with much less reguard for human life.
 
Odd? No. Airplanes, giant freakin' airplanes, flew into them.

Even the NIST report acknowledges that the planes did not cause the buildings (which were designed to withstand planes crashing into them) to fall. No plane crashed into WTC7.
 
Even the NIST report acknowledges that the planes did not cause the buildings (which were designed to withstand planes crashing into them) to fall. No plane crashed into WTC7.

Correction: The towers were designed to take a plane's impact.

All observable evidence suggests that they were not designed to handle a plane crash. A crash, as opposed to the imapct, is a combination of things, including, but not limted to, extreme stuctural damage and intense fire. The impact only factors in the structural damage

The intense fire alone would not have brought the towers down.

The extreme structural damage alone would not have done it either.

But both factors being present at the same time, on the other hand, did bring the towers down.



And since you seem to have totally ignored my main point, I wil restate it:

Until truthers stop trying to disprove the given explanation and start proving theirs, they will never successfully argue their case of Government involvement.
 
But both factors being present at the same time, on the other hand, did bring the towers down.

And WTC7, which was not struck by a plane?

And since you seem to have totally ignored my main point, I wil restate it: Until truthers stop trying to disprove the given explanation and start proving theirs, they will never successfully argue their case of Government involvement.

I don't have a theory. I only know the government's explanation is scientifically impossible, and is far from being proven.
 
Don't you want justice for those you lost, and all those who died? According to a growing number of scientists, architects, pilots, and scholars, neither the 9/11 Commission nor the NIST report have adequately answered questions about 9/11. There should be an independent investigation.

Those scientists, architects, pilots and scholars are on par with the list of "scientists" that attempt to disprove global warming.
 
Those scientists, architects, pilots and scholars are on par with the list of "scientists" that attempt to disprove global warming.

How so? Because they disagree with you?
 
And WTC7, which was not struck by a plane?

They claim that Diet Dr. Pepper tastes more like regular Dr. Pepper, but more than what exactly? A peice of ****? Well, yes of course it tastes more like regular Dr. Pepper than a peice of **** does, but it doesn't taste more like regular Dr. Pepper than Mr. Pibb.

Therefore Diet Dr. Pepper was created by the government in order to start a war with Iran.



My above statement is about as relevant to the discussion regarding the two towers being hit by airplanes as saying "What about WTC7?"



I don't have a theory. I only know the government's explanation is scientifically impossible, and is far from being proven.

The underlined portion is a theory.
 
What relevance does this have when the Bush administration leaves office?
 
Even the NIST report acknowledges that the planes did not cause the buildings (which were designed to withstand planes crashing into them) to fall. No plane crashed into WTC7.

That's a great point. And it may solve a local mystery, too. A few months ago a couple kids were playing with matches and their house caught fire in a city near me. Burned to the ground. Mysteriously, both houses on either side of it also caught fire and one of them also burned to the ground. Nobody could figure out what happened. You see, the kids were never in those other houses.

Did you hear... that guy Zapruder, who took the famous Kennedy assasination 8mm video, has been named as the second shooter? Yup. The reasoning... why else would he just happen to be standing in the perfect spot, to see Kennedy get shot, and why was he recording it? Do you believe in coincidences? He must have been one of those guys who records his own crime so he can watch it later... only to wind up on "World's Dummest Criminals". Mr. Zapruder has since passed away but, the government is going to prosecute his grandson under the X-Files statute. Doesn't sound fair to me.

Also, I hear there is "scientific, irrefutable proof" that Flight 77, a 757 American Airlines jet, actually did "not" crash into the Pentagon. Yep, it seems Dick Cheney was target practicing with a new shoulder held rocket and missed his target... again. The FBI has actually accounted for every person who was on Flight 77 but, the government has put a gag order on all news publications, as well as all the families, friends of the families and offspring for six generations forward, forbidding them from speaking this under penalty of a life sentence to Guantanamo Bay Terrorist block. Also, not fair!

I know these things because Janis Joplin and Elvis sing for me every night while being securely locked up in my basement. They are awesome together.
 
How so? Because they disagree with you?

You typed that without even the slightest sense of contradiction or irony, didn't you? :roll:
 
Odd? No. Airplanes, giant freakin' airplanes, flew into them.



First of all, absolutely none of that proves a conspiracy.

The problem is that most "truth"ers spend all their energy blasting holes in the explanation (the empirically observable FACT) that two big honkin' airplanes smashed into the building and caused extreme structural damage to the building.

This is observable fact.

The problem with the convoluted, unproven theory of a conspiracy is the fact that it takes a giant **** on Occam's Razor and replaces that with basically nothing.

The "evidence" presented is always very suspect, and fails to accurately portray the science. It makes dubious comparisons of other high rise fires that do not have the second factor of the MASSIVE projectile impact.

The velocity of the airplanes are estimated around 400 MPH. The maximum takeoff weight of a 757 is 250,000 lbs (125 tons). It is even more for a 767.

Thus, the momentum of impact is about the same as a 1 ton meteor with a velocity of 50,000 MPH! Even if we assume the velocity at 200 MPH the momentum of impact is still like a 1 ton meteor traveling 25,000 MPH. That's gonna leave a mark, to say the least. Especially on a hollow structure that offers no lateral strength (like an aluminum can).


The sweet irony, is that "truthers" will use that momentum "evidence" to attack one point while simultaneously ignoring it regarding their attacks on other points!


There problem is not disproving the fact that the towers were hit with airplanes. That is impossible. It is that truthers cannot prove their allegations at all. Any detailed objective analysis of the two explanations will always lead to a full dismissal of the truthers allegations as unfounded, unproven, and irrational.

Because even if the truthers could show evidence that the official explanation is unlikely, their allegations will still fail the logical test miserably. It's purely the application of Occam's Razor. If given two probabilities that are unlikely, the least unlikely explanation (simplest) is usually correct. Until evidence is given that changes the level of "unlikely" in the official explanation (not really all that unlikely given all the data) and the conspiracy (really, really, really unlikely in the sense that it assumes an extreme level of government competence that is unsupported by simple observance of government at any level)

Until truthers stop trying to disprove the given explanation and start proving theirs, they will never successfully argue their case of Government involvement.

When they can do that efficiently and effectively, I will give them their due. I honestly doubt they will ever make their case effectively, though, because they will ignore the disconfirming evidence of their beliefs in favor of what they want to believe.

Having questions about the official story is not the same as being a conspiracy theorist. I personally don't believe the government DID it, I just KNOW they had prior knowledge, and I THINK they let it happen. Occam's Razor is often used against "truthers", but it is important to remember that Occam's Razor can just as easily be used against the official theory.

The official theory of a "pancake collapse" is physically impossible. The law of momentum conservation proves this.
 
Those scientists, architects, pilots and scholars are on par with the list of "scientists" that attempt to disprove global warming.

I've never heard of any scientists who are attempting to disprove global warming, although I am aware of some who work against the theory that mankind has caused it.
 
Oh I'm sorry, because there are no questions to be answered and the government tell the truth about every thing. The way those buildings fell did not even seem the slightest bit odd to you? Or how all those police officers, fire fighters and medical workers said they heard pops or saw flashes did not seem strange to you? Did it not seem odd to you when asked about these things the government will not answer? To many things just seem odd for it all to be as the government says. Did you even watch the whole video?
sorry, i take the word of a trusted friend over internet babble
she was Commander of Chicago's Arson & Bomb Squad
think she knows a thing or two more than loose change imbeciles adn the likes
 
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