9/11 - What do you remember from 21 years ago ?

[SNOWFLAKE]

What do you remember from 21 years ago ?​

I was younger then.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I remember the attacks then the unity and American resolve. United We Stand!

Seems far from today....

 

[NuffSaid]

I worked close the the BWI airport, and on 9/12, sitting at the light to turn into work, not a single airplane in the sky. Was such a surreal moment.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

A handful of shipmates and me were sitting in my office, tv on with volume off, planning the upcoming Chief Petty Officers initiation/pinning ceremonies that happen the middle of each September, when I saw the second plane hit Tower 2. I can still feel some of the shock every time I think back on that day.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Actually, there's much more that should be said.

Are you offended because you think I'm dishonoring the victims and/or what's probably your blind patriotism?

I don't know that "dishonoring" is the right word. But no qualification was needed after the initial thought was expressed.

What happened to those innocent people was horrible.

Fin.

 

[Atreus21]

Today marks the 21st anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

I was 14 at the time and I remember that it was a nice sunny afternoon here in Austria (unlike today, which is fully clouded and rainy).

It was a Tuesday and I was getting ready to pack my school stuff into my backpack, because the next day the 1st day at my new school - the Austrian high school - would start.

I was already pretty nervous because a new school meant new friends and new teachers, but the 9/11 attacks made everything and everyone even more nervous and sad.

I remember my classmate who was in the army, scared to death.

 

[I'm Immemorial]

Today marks the 21st anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

I was 14 at the time and I remember that it was a nice sunny afternoon here in Austria (unlike today, which is fully clouded and rainy).

It was a Tuesday and I was getting ready to pack my school stuff into my backpack, because the next day the 1st day at my new school - the Austrian high school - would start.

I was already pretty nervous because a new school meant new friends and new teachers, but the 9/11 attacks made everything and everyone even more nervous and sad.

I was 21 and watched the coverage in my parents' living room. It was three weeks before I started CR school. Have been reporting for going on 17 years. Thanks for making me remember my age

 

[Antiwar]

I don't know that "dishonoring" is the right word. But no qualification was needed after the initial thought was expressed.

What happened to those innocent people was horrible.

Fin.

That's for people that are shallow and such.

 

[Mithrae]

I don't know that "dishonoring" is the right word. But no qualification was needed after the initial thought was expressed.

What happened to those innocent people was horrible.

Fin.

That's a perspective which uses their deaths as a prop in a political narrative - insisting that only the fraction of the story which bolsters American nationalism should be told.

No-one deserves to die like that, and no-one deserves to have their deaths exploited like that. If more people had been willing to tell and hear the full story in 2001, those three thousand Americans would still be dead, they wouldn't be hurt by it: But maybe tens of thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq might have been spared from brutal, illegal retaliatory invasion... alongside seven thousand plus American soldiers and the ongoing trend of undermining international law continued by Russia.

 

[Ikari]

I was in grad school, and was teaching morning lab when one off students told me about it. I didn't believe them and made them do lab.

 

[munkle]

At first believing the laughable official story that the jet fuel weakened the frame. Then I learned that jet fuel is only kerosene. You can burn it on steel all day and the steel won't even get soft. Then I watched 2000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth "Explosive Evidence" and saw it was a demolition.

9/11 Smoking Gun: Demolition Explosives, Final Sequence. This is Not the Sound of Floors Collapsing​

 

[MAGAnificent]

Today marks the 21st anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

I was 14 at the time and I remember that it was a nice sunny afternoon here in Austria (unlike today, which is fully clouded and rainy).

It was a Tuesday and I was getting ready to pack my school stuff into my backpack, because the next day the 1st day at my new school - the Austrian high school - would start.

I was already pretty nervous because a new school meant new friends and new teachers, but the 9/11 attacks made everything and everyone even more nervous and sad.

I was in a government building serving jury duty about 1000 miles from where the attacks took place. We were excused for the day. When we returned the next morning security was very tight.

 

[MAGAnificent]

What happened to those innocent people was horrible. Unfortunately, the US has been doing horrible things to innocent people for decades, if not centuries.

BS.

 

[Cordelier]

At first believing the laughable official story that the jet fuel weakened the frame. Then I learned that jet fuel is only kerosene. You can burn it on steel all day and the steel won't even get soft. Then I watched 2000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth "Explosive Evidence" and saw it was a demolition.

9/11 Smoking Gun: Demolition Explosives, Final Sequence. This is Not the Sound of Floors Collapsing​

Jesus, man, give it a break. Conspiracy threads are thataway.

NIST conducted a thorough study of the WTC collapses. It was pretty obvious that the majority of the structural integrity of the towers was based on their central column. Once that severed by the impact, then it was only a matter of time before the towers collapsed - fire or no.

 

[munkle]

NIST conducted a thorough study of the WTC collapses. It was pretty obvious that the majority of the structural integrity of the towers was based on their central column. Once that severed by the impact, then it was only a matter of time before the towers collapsed - fire or no.

There was no single central column which was severed. There were 47 cross-braced core columns that were mostly intact.

What about WTC7? Not hit by a plane. Just came straight down.

9/11 mystery solved: World Trade Center didn't collapse due to fire

ONE of the towers during the 9/11 terror attacks did not collapse due to a fire, a shocking study has claimed.

www.express.co.uk

The use of the word "conspiracy" is for the weak-minded who cannot reason for themselves. A government report saying everything is ok is all you need.

Twin Tower core backbone under construction




Illustration of main support columns

9/11: How it Was Done, the Science of Demolition

By "James Madison" #howtheydid911 NOTE: CLICK RED "YOUTUBE" BUTTON ON VIDEOS IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE VIEWING As public awareness grows...

911explained.blogspot.com

 

[donhughesmusic]

There was no single central column which was severed. There were 47 cross-braced core columns that were mostly intact.

What about WTC7? Not hit by a plane. Just came straight down.

9/11 mystery solved: World Trade Center didn't collapse due to fire

ONE of the towers during the 9/11 terror attacks did not collapse due to a fire, a shocking study has claimed.

www.express.co.uk

The use of the word "conspiracy" is for the weak-minded who cannot reason for themselves. A government report saying everything is ok is all you need.

Twin Tower core backbone under construction




Illustration of main support columns

9/11: How it Was Done, the Science of Demolition

By "James Madison" #howtheydid911 NOTE: CLICK RED "YOUTUBE" BUTTON ON VIDEOS IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE VIEWING As public awareness grows...

911explained.blogspot.com

At first believing the laughable official story that the jet fuel weakened the frame. Then I learned that jet fuel is only kerosene. You can burn it on steel all day and the steel won't even get soft. Then I watched 2000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth "Explosive Evidence" and saw it was a demolition.

9/11 Smoking Gun: Demolition Explosives, Final Sequence. This is Not the Sound of Floors Collapsing​

Sounds like the sound of floors collapsing to me... I hear zero explosions.

 

[Cordelier]

There was no single central column which was severed. There were 47 cross-braced core columns that were mostly intact.

What about WTC7? Not hit by a plane. Just came straight down.

9/11 mystery solved: World Trade Center didn't collapse due to fire

ONE of the towers during the 9/11 terror attacks did not collapse due to a fire, a shocking study has claimed.

www.express.co.uk

The use of the word "conspiracy" is for the weak-minded who cannot reason for themselves. A government report saying everything is ok is all you need.

Twin Tower core backbone under construction




Illustration of main support columns

9/11: How it Was Done, the Science of Demolition

By "James Madison" #howtheydid911 NOTE: CLICK RED "YOUTUBE" BUTTON ON VIDEOS IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE VIEWING As public awareness grows...

911explained.blogspot.com

Mostly intact, huh?

How do you know that? Don't recall there were all that many eyes on.

Seems to me both buildings took a pretty fair wallop. If you take a weight intended to be supported by 47 cross-braced columns... and then you knock out... I dunno... maybe 23 of them.... how long do you figure before the other 24 give way?

 

[Helix]

I was young, so I was going into work a bit late. I listened to coverage of it during my commute, and one of the towers was falling as I got to work. I tried to pull up CNN's site at work, but it was overwhelmed with traffic. By midday, it had reduced its site to just a front page so that it would load. I ended up following the events of the day on a message board that I read back then. There were a number of people on that site who worked in NYC.

After that, I remember pretty much continuous 9/11 coverage for at least a week. My band had studio time booked for the following week, and I remember listening to AM radio news and reading papers during the downtime. It was just so big of an event that it was hard to wrap your head around it.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

That's a perspective which uses their deaths as a prop in a political narrative - insisting that only the fraction of the story which bolsters American nationalism should be told.

No-one deserves to die like that, and no-one deserves to have their deaths exploited like that.

I am hard-pressed to think of anything I've read on this forum that is more stupid than the assertion that simply stating, without qualification, "what happened to those innocent people was horrible," should be considered to be using them "as a prop in a political narrative" and "[exploiting] their deaths."

Such an assertion is just some wildly, galactically stupid shit.

 

[Mithrae]

I am hard-pressed to think of anything I've read on this forum that is more stupid than the assertion that simply stating, without qualification, "what happened to those innocent people was horrible," should be considered to be using them "as a prop in a political narrative" and "[exploiting] their deaths."

No-one said that, obviously. Plenty of people have posted in the thread expressing only their horror at the attack. But only one person decided that it was necessary to jump on someone else for telling a little more of the story - saying that Antiwar "should have stopped there" with only the bit supporting your preferred political narrative. Attacking others for providing some broader context, as you did, is indeed exploiting those deaths for political purposes, same as happened in 2001.

Such an assertion is just some wildly, galactically stupid shit.

I notice that you've failed miserably to address the fact that tens of thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan died because of the illegal retaliatory invasion, made possible mainly because far too many people followed the "tell only this part of the story" demand which you've made.

Suppressing information wilfully or tacitly, allowing emotionalism and faux patriotism to uphold the policies of an militaristic surveillance state, was colossally stupid... but refusing to learn (again) from those lessons of history really takes the cake.

 

[NWRatCon]

Jesus, man, give it a break. Conspiracy threads are thataway.

It even mentions "9/11 trutherism" specifically.

 

[Cordelier]

It even mentions "9/11 trutherism" specifically.

Yeah... that's a pretty big red flag as well.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

No-one said that, obviously.

"No one said that?" "Obviously?" No, YOU said that. Allow me to refresh your memory:

But no qualification was needed after the initial thought was expressed.

What happened to those innocent people was horrible.

That's a perspective which uses their deaths as a prop in a political narrative - insisting that only the fraction of the story which bolsters American nationalism should be told.

No-one deserves to die like that, and no-one deserves to have their deaths exploited like that.

Obviously, you said that.

Plenty of people have posted in the thread expressing only their horror at the attack. But only one person decided that it was necessary to jump on someone else for telling a little more of the story - saying that Antiwar "should have stopped there" with only the bit supporting your preferred political narrative. Attacking others for providing some broader context, as you did, is indeed exploiting those deaths for political purposes, same as happened in 2001.

Except this isn't a thread asking for "broader context." If your spouse is murdered in the course of a mugging, let's make sure someone gets up at their funeral to give the "broader context" of how the mugger was misunderstood, oppressed, and driven by society to commit this crime.

That's pretty much what you and @Antiwar are doing.

I notice that you've failed miserably to address the fact that tens of thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan died

Wanna talk about it? Make a thread for it.

This isn't it.

 

[Mithrae]

Except this isn't a thread asking for "broader context." If your spouse is murdered in the course of a mugging, let's make sure someone gets up at their funeral to give the "broader context" of how the mugger was misunderstood, oppressed, and driven by society to commit this crime.

That's pretty much what you and @Antiwar are doing.


Wanna talk about it? Make a thread for it.

This isn't it.

This isn't your own personal safe space, Grizzly. It's unfortunate if your feelings are hurt by all this, but for many people their first thoughts on 9/11 were of shock and horror followed in subsequent minutes, hours or days by the recognition of how very many innocent people in foreign countries have been killed in similar fashion by America, both directly through military action or even moreso indirectly through economic policy. Even if your self-assigned Thread Moderator badge carried any weight, those recognitions obviously do belong in this thread.

But that wasn't even your original complaint; you didn't tell Antiwar there's a time and a place, you simply tried to shut him down completely in two consecutive posts: "You should have stopped here" and "no qualification was needed after the initial thought was expressed. What happened to those innocent people was horrible. Fin." The fact that you're now trying to change your tune seems like a tacit admission that those kinds of efforts to restrict discussion to only nationalist-friendly sentiments are (and more importantly were) very dangerous and harmful.

 

[Gaius46]

I was walking to work about 3 blocks from the trade center. I remember seeing burning bits of paper falling from the sky and thinking a building somewhere must be on fire. I remember hearing an explosion that i later learned was the the 2nd tower being hit. I remember getting to my office building - 55 Water Street - and seeing a woman running out of the building barefoot with her shoes in her hands. I remember heading towards the WTC for no reason that I can give today and seeing two people jump from the upper floors. I remember crossing the Brooklyn Bridge and getting to our main office in downtown Brooklyn in time to see the 2nd tower fall on a datacenter TV monitor.
I remember staying in work for 5 days straight working to get the NYSE back on line. I remember 13 funerals for friends who died. I especially remember one for a girl who had been the admin for a group i was in a couple years prior. I remember crying as i told my wife that she was way too young and way too nice to die.