9/11, show me the proof.

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He saw a plane (remember he was in his car) but it can't have been a 757, much too quiet, and not enough wreakage, as that CNN reporter stated.

Let me know what you think of what I posted earlier on Hanjour, the alleged pilot.

not much..

Here is what your source says:

I took these pictures less then 1 minutes after I watched the american airlines 757 airplane crash into the pentagon on september 11 2001

Your source disagrees with you. What do you think about what your source says.

 

[Whovian]

not much..

Here is what your source says:

I took these pictures less then 1 minutes after I watched the american airlines 757 airplane crash into the pentagon on september 11 2001

Your source disagrees with you. What do you think about what your source says.

his source is 'in on it'.

 

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not much..

Of course, not something you want to hear, right?

"they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine"

''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''

Those reports, from the MSM, raise serious doubts about Hanjour being the pilot. That's yet another area which should have been investigated.

Here is what your source says:

I took these pictures less then 1 minutes after I watched the american airlines 757 airplane crash into the pentagon on september 11 2001

That's getting awfully close to shouting and is really not necessary.

Your source disagrees with you. What do you think about what your source says.

I told you already. I said, "it can't have been a 757" (for reasons aforementioned).

I don't agree with everything he says. You got a problem with that?

BTW, his photos show lots of smoke, but no wreckage at all.

 

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Speaking of Capt. Wittenberg:


Important comment from Captain Russ Wittenberg, who knows all about the 767 that supposedly hit the South Tower - having flown the aircraft multiple times:

To my aviator and non-aviator friends, this is a very short, non technical, visual demonstration of aerodynamics at transonic to supersonic speeds. This is important to know, even if you are NOT an aviator.* Why?* Well, if you’re at all interested in the events that happened on 9/11/01 at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, this will begin to explain WHY the "official story" (actually, fairy tale) that almost everyone (who is NOT a pilot or has knowledge of high speed flight) has bought into, "hook, line, and sinker."* "They" would have us believe that the airliners going well over 110 knots ABOVE their maximum design limit speed (called Vmo)!* The fakers who made up the "fairy tale" of course weren't pilots, so, they didn't know what they were doing!

Here are the numbers: The fakers say the B-757's and 767's were doing about 530 MPH (that's statute miles per hour).* Well, we don't use statute miles!* We use KNOTS! So, this translates to about 460 Knots, which is exactly 110 knots ABOVE Vmo of 350 Kts at about 1000' above MSL (sea level)! IN LEVEL FLIGHT NO LESS!!!! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE! The "Drag Rise" (shock waves) would rip the wings off the airplane well before reaching that speed! Above Vy, (best rate of climb speed) drag increases to the square of the velocity of the air speed! Remember folks, these were AIRLINERS - NOT JET FIGHTERS...


United Air Lines Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret.) was Pilot in Command (PIC) on each of the UAL aircraft that were supposedly used on the event on 9/11 - multiple times.* He flew the actual B-767 that hit the South Tower (UA 175) and the B-757 that supposedly crashed at Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

Christopher Bollyn

 

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Of course, not something you want to hear, right?

"they questioned whether his pilot's license was genuine"

''I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon,'' the former employee said. ''He could not fly at all.''


Those reports, from the MSM, raise serious doubts about Hanjour being the pilot. That's yet another area which should have been investigated.

Hani hanjour crashed. Thats what should have happened. And thats what happend

That's getting awfully close to shouting and is really not necessary.

You seem to have missed the information your source provided so I emphasized it.

I told you already. I said, "it can't have been a 757" (for reasons aforementioned).

What you say means nothing. What your source says means everything. He saw a 757. You say that he says he didnt. You are misrepresenting what your own source says. As always, the truth is something far different from what you said it was.

I don't agree with everything he says. You got a problem with that?

Then why did you bring him up? The only thing he has said was that he, like others in the know saw a 757. You should be debating him. It is freakin' hysterical how you brought him up and now you're running from your own eye witness.

BTW, his photos show lots of smoke, but no wreckage at all.

Several small parts are present in most pictures.

 

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Naturally you take a segment that's not in dispute... So, I took the final seconds 2 seconds actually, where the plane was going 500mph descending... well, in the final seconds the descent NEEDED to be around 12000 fps and then leveling off flat

Where in the world do you get 12,000 FEET per SECOND?

... I'm sure there's factors in here that I'm not counting, but just on the missing data there was a final maneuver that required 90+ G's based on the altitude and speed at the final two seconds.

More like you are flat out wrong. First off, how the **** does it clip all those light poles if it was diving like that? Second, the ACTUAL reports say the plane descended seven thousand feet and turned over 270 degrees in the last three minutes and then approached the west side of the Pentagon at a very low altitude, clipping some obstacles and narrowly avoiding others on its low-angle approach that ended with its careening primarily into the Pentagon's first floor.

200 fps descent = 61 mps
500 mph = 223 mps
N = 170 degrees in 2 seconds = 14 RPM (calculated using speed, the altitude decline over the final 2 seconds and the speed of the aircraft)
radius = 1466ft = 446m (based on the speed, descent and leveling out)

RCF = 0.001118 * R * N^2
RCF = 0.001118 * 446 * 14^2 = 97

So, if you feel that's wrong, please correct it... but that was the segment I was disputing and NOT the driving a circle around at cruising speeds...

Try not starting with the wrong data and you might end up with the right results.

I told you Operation Northwoods DETAILS what to do prior to rescue workers arriving SO THAT the rescue workers would work on a predetermined assumption.

HOW would someone go plant all that **** on the lawn with everyone watching? You are NOT answering the question.

I'm not lying about the discrepancies... again, you're seeing contradictions where none exist. I have put up my personal overall theory of what the evidence points towards... I haven't diverted from that position beyond tweaks whenever new information comes out, or areas where someone ACTUALLY PROVES in a real sense... but of COURSE there are going to be holes because there's only so much evidence to work with.

LOL! I point out clear contradictions and you say "where none exist". Whatever Mcfly.

when you claimed depth doesn't matter... ya, that showed that you were just putting marks on a picture

Yet again twisting stuff to mean something it doesn't. I said "the depth of the BOXES doesn't matter, it is the LINE that is important". You twist that into, "oh dur you said that depth doesn't matter". Good to see that you're learning your truther buddies techniques so well by LYING and twisting facts and statements to suit your agenda. Before you know it you'll be able to start asking for donations and make a living off this crap.

What can I say, I was lazy to run the numbers myself

Shocking.

and neither of you showed any work.

Mcfly. I showed the position of the camera with a picture. I showed the point where I was measuring the building height with a picture. I showed where the plane was with a picture. I took screenshots with my measurements on it. I then wrote out the calculations I was using. HOW IN THE **** IS THAT NOT SHOWING THE WORK?

Maybe you did after I pulled away from that discussion, but for the longest time the BOTH of you guys were just putting lines over pictures and not showing any actual calculations.

Dude that's here in THIS VERY THREAD!

there were reasons I didn't stick around long in that one.

Yeah, because you knew I was right and you didn't want to admit that it totally destroys your beloved theory that something other than a 757 hit the pentagon.

Yes, but since there was no CONCLUSIVE debris that PROVED that the debris on the ground was pieces of flight 77, you can't honestly make that claim with any level of certainty.

I can and will. The evidence points to the simple fact that it was flight 77 that crashed there. Even without a serial number to "PROVE it". We have the FDR and you say it "was planted", so I have to assume that ANY other identifying numbers would also in your mind "be planted". Quite simply, you WANT to believe this crap and you won't look at anything that even comes close to changing your stupid theories.

Remember your scrutiny of other eyewitnesses??

Remember your love of cherrypicking one or two? At least I have the decency to not twist their words into something that they DID NOT MEAN.

The planet where a 45 foot tail section does not fit in a 20 ft hole.

WHY do you think that a measly aluminum tail section would by itself do anything to that structure?

Also, no landing gear out, then why did the engines not touch the ground at any place...

Uhhh... because the plane didn't touch down?

I can only do so much investigating without having subpoena powers to gather the information that's missing.

Bologna. There is so much info out there to put 99% of your "suspicions" to rest. You refuse to look at them.

If it wasn't you it was one of the other debunkers... you guys all use the same tactics...

Oh so it's fine for YOU to take exception when I generalize all truthers as being no planers, energy weapon supporters, etc... but it's all fine and dandy for you to make assertions about comments I did not make?

The engines look to be about 5-6 feet higher then the landing gear... I couldn't find the specific data, but seeing pictures of the plane with a person standing next to it, the landing gear itself probably about 10-12 feet... So, the engines still would have dug into the ground but at least a few feet to allow enough room.

Enough room for what? The bottom of the engines to the top of the fuselage is the only meaningful part here. PLENTY of room for it to fit.

Right, the columns protruded outward because the explosion happened INSIDE... BUT the plane was going 500 mph at impact and it's the fuel that would do most of the exploding... fuel shooting at 500mph is not exploding backwards nearly as much as the fireball would shoot forward...

Right, and that's exactly what happened. Doesn't mean the fireball and small pieces won't still go backwards to the extent we saw.

ALSO, since the plane was crashing INTO the building ALL the debris should be pushed INTO the building, NOT bulging OUTWARD from where the plane entered.

Physics. Go take a class.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Where in the world do you get 12,000 FEET per SECOND?

Sorry, extra zero... 1200 fps... because the plane had 2 seconds to dive about 300-400 ft and level out,
Pitot-Static Instruments

Generally, this instrument responds immediately to altitude changes. During climbs and descents, however, the altimeter may lag behind the air crafts actual altitude. For this reason, some lead is necessary when leveling off to compensate for this characteristic. A simple rule of thumb is to lead the desired level-off altitude by 10% of the vertical velocity.

Here's what wasn't considered : The plane STARTS with an altitude of 300ft... and given the lag factor and the 300 ft starting point, I figured to add 300 ft to the final altitude as an estimation

More like you are flat out wrong. First off, how the **** does it clip all those light poles if it was diving like that? Second, the ACTUAL reports say the plane descended seven thousand feet and turned over 270 degrees in the last three minutes and then approached the west side of the Pentagon at a very low altitude, clipping some obstacles and narrowly avoiding others on its low-angle approach that ended with its careening primarily into the Pentagon's first floor.

No, fast forward about 30-40 seconds from what you're talking about and you get to the actual discrepancy that I'm pointing out.

Try not starting with the wrong data and you might end up with the right results.

I'm talking about the final 2 seconds... NOT the 30 seconds prior that you were using for your calculation/

HOW would someone go plant all that **** on the lawn with everyone watching? You are NOT answering the question.

I told you where it's described who would go through the process.

LOL! I point out clear contradictions and you say "where none exist". Whatever Mcfly.

That's the thing, there does not exist any contradictions, BUT because you look at matters in a simplistic fashion you interpret matters as contradiction when they are consistent.

Yet again twisting stuff to mean something it doesn't. I said "the depth of the BOXES doesn't matter, it is the LINE that is important". You twist that into, "oh dur you said that depth doesn't matter". Good to see that you're learning your truther buddies techniques so well by LYING and twisting facts and statements to suit your agenda. Before you know it you'll be able to start asking for donations and make a living off this crap.

If your measurement is for a specific line and you compare to a line further out, you are intentionally or not, comparing the wrong place... and you didn't actually show any WORK... you DREW LINES ON A PAGE. Don't try to tell me you did otherwise, cause I went over those posts again and you just... both of you, did NOT show any work demonstrating how you came to a conclusion...

So, don't get all wound up about it... I bowed out of that conversation because you were both blowing hot air. And I'm not going to waste my time any longer on this subject because it was nonsense coming out of the both of you.

Shocking.

You didn't either... equally shocking. (you did claim to have done so, but I haven't seen it)

Mcfly. I showed the position of the camera with a picture. I showed the point where I was measuring the building height with a picture. I showed where the plane was with a picture. I took screenshots with my measurements on it. I then wrote out the calculations I was using. HOW IN THE **** IS THAT NOT SHOWING THE WORK?

No, it's not. It's drawing lines on a page. You were calculating depth on a picture using known landmarks and distances through which to CALCULATE the answers... THAT is the work that you were missing.

Dude that's here in THIS VERY THREAD!

We're not talking about the trig that you guys both pretended to know so much about.

Yeah, because you knew I was right and you didn't want to admit that it totally destroys your beloved theory that something other than a 757 hit the pentagon.

Wishful thinking.

I can and will. The evidence points to the simple fact that it was flight 77 that crashed there. Even without a serial number to "PROVE it". We have the FDR and you say it "was planted", so I have to assume that ANY other identifying numbers would also in your mind "be planted". Quite simply, you WANT to believe this crap and you won't look at anything that even comes close to changing your stupid theories.

No, because... well, look at ANY OTHER plane crash... you know the crazy thing about other plane crashes : THERES ALWAYS A FRIGGIN PLANE AT THE CRASH SITE!!!!!!

What do we see at this one?? We see a hole in a building that is too small for the whole plane to fit in, and we're supposed to believe that its' because the plane was going SO FAST that the wings, engines and tail all folded into this hole and then evaporated.

But you are also wrong on another point ; I WANT to be PROVEN wrong. I WISH I was wrong... but the facts of the matter show me to be overall correct...

WHY do you think that a measly aluminum tail section would by itself do anything to that structure?

The measly 20 foot aluminum tail section, if it didn't go THROUGH the wall, it should have at least, you know, broken off the plane and been somewhere where you can point to it and say "hey, the tail section broke into about 5 pieces here and oh, here's the identifying numbers proving that this plane was actually flight 77." But no, I don't think if you took all the debris you could even find enough material to reconstruct something that LOOKED like it could be a planes worth of material.

Uhhh... because the plane didn't touch down?

To fit in the hole IT HAD TO!!!!

Bologna. There is so much info out there to put 99% of your "suspicions" to rest. You refuse to look at them.

Oh, like all those 911myths pages that are mostly unsourced opinion pieces ??

Oh so it's fine for YOU to take exception when I generalize all truthers as being no planers, energy weapon supporters, etc... but it's all fine and dandy for you to make assertions about comments I did not make?

Here's the difference : You're taking multiple positions that are lacking any factual evidence as my own... when the debunkers position ALWAYS amounts to "Government would NEVER lie, the official reports are gospel to that fact. Disagreeing with that is blasphemy"

Enough room for what? The bottom of the engines to the top of the fuselage is the only meaningful part here. PLENTY of room for it to fit.

Go back to math class... 40ft-5 or 6 ft is STILL bigger then a 20ft hole

Right, and that's exactly what happened. Doesn't mean the fireball and small pieces won't still go backwards to the extent we saw.

And this is how I know that you haven't done what you're about to suggest for myself here...

Physics. Go take a class.

Yup... I should. Cause I must have missed the class where they said that you could arbitrarily change the laws when it suits.

 

[shanners]

Hani hanjour crashed. Thats what should have happened. And thats what happend

That's what you believe happened. You shouldn't be so eager to believe what the government tells you after they have been repeatedly caught lying, and especially after they have been caught conducting false flag ops.

You seem to have missed the information your source provided so I emphasized it.

So just put it in bold or italics please.

You seem to have missed the information I provided so I will emphasize it:

How could Hanjour fly a 757 like that when ''he could not fly at all.''

Russ Wittenberg, a former fighter pilot who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam and who sat for 35 years in the cockpit for Pan Am and United says it was totally impossible for an amateur who couldn’t even fly a Cessna to maneuver the jetliner in such a highly professional manner. Plus the aerodynamics of it all: "The "Drag Rise" (shock waves) would rip the wings off the airplane well before reaching that speed!"

Rob Balsamo – Commercial airline pilot. Co-founder, Pilots for 9/11 Truth. 4,000+ total hours flown: "In August 2006, Pilots for 9/11 Truth received from the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) a copy of the Flight Data Recorder data of Flight 77, which, according to the official account, hit the Pentagon. We analyzed the data and announced our conclusion on 3/26/07 that 'The information provided by the NTSB does not support the 9/11 Commission Report of American Airlines Flight 77 impact with the Pentagon.' "

John Lear – Retired commercial airline pilot with over 19,000+ total hours flown in over 100 different types of planes for 10 different airlines in 60 different countries around the world. Flew for over 40 years. Holds every certificate ever offered by the FAA and has 23 different FAA type ratings. Held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. Flight experience includes Boeing 707 and 727, McDonnell Douglas DC-8, Lockheed L-1011 and many others. Son of Bill Lear, founder of Lear Jet Corp:

Audio interview with Rob Balsamo 3/9/07: Regarding the Flight Data Recorder information for Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon, released by the NTSB,

John Lear: There's a lot things in that tape that came up, that if you're a pilot, you say, "Hey, wait a minute. That's bull****. That could never happen in a million years." ...

Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired commercial airline captain with 27 years experience. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100. Retired fighter pilot. Former Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). 20-year Navy career. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, and Grumman F-14 Tomcat. 23,000+ total hours flown:

"At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and could not have flown it the way the flight path was described."

Joel M. Skousen – Commercial pilot. Former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Grumman F-9 Cougar, North American T-2C Buckeye, various civilian planes. Member, Experimental Aircraft Association. Member, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC and Executive Editor of Conservative Digest:

"The issues of the penetration hole [at the Pentagon] and the lack of large pieces of debris simply do not jive with the official story, but they are explainable if you include the parking lot video evidence that shows a huge white explosion at impact. This cannot happen with an aircraft laden only with fuel. It can only happen in the presence of high explosives."

Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career:

"After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information... The things that really got my attention were the amount of descent rate that you had to have at the end of the flight, of Flight 77... (at) that kind of descent rate it would have been impossible essentially for the results that we see physically from what the flight data recorder was recording. "

And many more pilot testimonies at that link I provided - here it is again for your convenience:

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Then why did you bring him up?

Because it's an important point.

The only thing he has said was that he, like others in the know saw a 757.

On that page. You're ignoring what he said elsewhere.

Several small parts are present in most pictures.

Small parts, consistent with a light plane, not a 757!

 

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If someone declares war on you then youre attacked; it makes sense to suspect the person who declared war.

Suspicion is one thing; trying and convicting someone (within a day or two), without hard evidence (as admitted by the FBI), is quite another.

3. There was no way to intercept the plane in that little time anyway.

Nonsense.

Norfolk Navy Base, the world's largest Naval Station, lies 140 miles south of Washington and is home to many supersonic jet fighters that can fly up to 1800 mph, 3 times the speed of a Boeing.

You expect us to believe that Flight 77 can wander around the skies, over the most militarized part of the country, up to nearly 80 mins after the first plane hit the WTC, and not be intercepted?

 

[usda select]

That's what you believe happened. You shouldn't be so eager to believe what the government tells you after they have been repeatedly caught lying, and especially after they have been caught conducting false flag ops.

[LMGTFY=""One of the non government eyewitnesses" site:debatepolitics.com"]You were caught lying about what your source said. Perhaps we shouldn't believe you.[/LMGTFY]:lamo

So just put it in bold or italics please.
You seem to have missed the information I provided so I will emphasize it:

It made you acknowledge your lie. The job was done.

Because it's an important point.

It would be (as much as any eyewitnesss is) if he had said it; he didn't. You made it up it seems

On that page. You're ignoring what he said elsewhere.

I ignore what you say that he said. I quote the man; you quote nothing. At any rate, you brought him up and now you'e trashing him. It is freakin' hilarious.:lamo but not surprising.

Small parts, consistent with a light plane, not a 757!

Fine, take your proof :lamo to court; what are you waiting for, can you accomplish anything on a internet message room? :roll:

 

[usda select]

Suspicion is one thing; trying and convicting someone (within a day or two), without hard evidence (as admitted by the FBI), is quite another.

We have all the proof we need.

Nonsense.

Norfolk Navy Base, the world's largest Naval Station, lies 140 miles south of Washington and is home to many supersonic jet fighters that can fly up to 1800 mph, 3 times the speed of a Boeing.

You expect us to believe that Flight 77 can wander around the skies, over the most militarized part of the country, up to nearly 80 mins after the first plane hit the WTC, and not be intercepted?

You over simplify things. For one matter if the plane ws the ony thing in the sky it would be easy. It wasn't. If the plane were over kansas, that would be easy since ground casualties isnt a factor. In DC it is.

 

[Whovian]

9/11 'truthers' are simply deluding themselves and looking for a forum to talk... possible from lack of any other meaning in their lives, they feel this gives their lives some purpose.

wrong guys... still no purpose.

 

[BmanMcfly]

9/11 'truthers' are simply deluding themselves and looking for a forum to talk... possible from lack of any other meaning in their lives, they feel this gives their lives some purpose.

wrong guys... still no purpose.

Hey, um.. Doctor. How does this even relate to the topic at hand??

Oh and here's a trick, you'd get paid more for your services as a shrink if you asked for the payment upfront... this way you don't waste your time analyzing people that don't have the need of your, I'm certain, over-qualified expertise on the subject of people's psychology.

Even though your analysis shows about as much insight as a back alley pscyhic.

 

[Whovian]

Hey, um.. Doctor. How does this even relate to the topic at hand??

Oh and here's a trick, you'd get paid more for your services as a shrink if you asked for the payment upfront... this way you don't waste your time analyzing people that don't have the need of your, I'm certain, over-qualified expertise on the subject of people's psychology.

Even though your analysis shows about as much insight as a back alley pscyhic.

still waiting for you to take the government to court over the 'truth' behind 9/11. The fact you have all that 'damning evidence' which proves beyond any doubt the government was in on it, and have YET to do anything about it, disgusts me... unless...

YOU'RE in on it too.

 

[shanners]

You were caught lying about what your source said.

Lying? What makes you come to that conclusion, besides wishful thinking?

It made you acknowledge your lie. The job was done.

???

It would be (as much as any eyewitnesss is) if he had said it; he didn't.

Talk about jumping to conclusions. According to the researcher Eric Hufschmid that is indeed what he said - see the video "Painful Deceptions".

You made it up it seems

That's laughable. Why would I make up something like that? You're grasping at straws.

you brought him up and now you'e trashing him.

With a jump like that you should be in the olympics. Any reasonable person knows that not accepting everything someone says is not tantamount to "trashing" them.

take your proof to court

I already explained that a corrupt judge is preventing victims' relatives from having a fair trail. Honestly, how would the average citizen have any chance?

can you accomplish anything on a internet message room?

You seem to think so. Otherwise why are you spending so much time and energy trying to refute us? And failing miserably!

 

[Whovian]

I already explained that a corrupt judge is preventing victims' relatives from having a fair trail. Honestly, how would the average citizen have any chance?

Someone who really gave a **** about those who died on 9/11 would make an effort to bring their evidence to trial, instead of a message board.

 

[usda select]

Lying? What makes you come to that conclusion, besides wishful thinking?

You misquoted him. Repeatedly. Its called lying.

Talk about jumping to conclusions. According to the researcher Eric Hufschmid that is indeed what he said - see the video "Painful Deceptions".

You didn't quote Hufschmid; you mis-quoted another gentleman.

That's laughable. Why would I make up something like that? You're grasping at straws.

For the same reason you use the word "supposedly" about UAL175 hitting the South tower; either you're being intentionally inflmatory, dishonest to the facts, or remarkably dense.

With a jump like that you should be in the olympics. Any reasonable person knows that not accepting everything someone says is not tantamount to "trashing" them.

The one thing YOU said that he said, he did not say at all. I'm not sure why you keep pretending he said something he either didn't say or as since recanted.

I already explained that a corrupt judge is preventing victims' relatives from having a fair trail. Honestly, how would the average citizen have any chance?

What judge is this? Do they have a name or is this more make-belive on your part?:lamo

 

[usda select]

still waiting for you to take the government to court over the 'truth' behind 9/11. The fact you have all that 'damning evidence' which proves beyond any doubt the government was in on it, and have YET to do anything about it, disgusts me... unless...

YOU'RE in on it too.

Theres multiple jurisdictions with of course multiple judgeships in those jurisdictions. Crying foul that a judge is stopping you is a cop out.

 

[BmanMcfly]

still waiting for you to take the government to court over the 'truth' behind 9/11.

I'm not out for money... suing the government will do little. I want to see a REAL investigation with subpoena powers that actually examines all the evidence.

The fact you have all that 'damning evidence' which proves beyond any doubt the government was in on it, and have YET to do anything about it, disgusts me... unless...

YOU'RE in on it too.

Doing NOTHING??? That's a bold statement... The first step in the long battle was to get people past the outright aggression at even the SUGGESTION that the official version had some flaws. Now, MOST of the time people AT LEAST concede that they know the government lied even if they don't understand the extent. Actually, that's not entirely true... MOST of the time if the person isn't completely apathetic to the topic then they agree the government lied.

The apologists of corruption are actually dwindling... I mean, the five people on this site that push the official version make up the majority of people that oppose the truth.

 

[Whovian]

still waiting for you to take the government to court over the 'truth' behind 9/11.

I'm not out for money... suing the government will do little. I want to see a REAL investigation with subpoena powers that actually examines all the evidence.

The fact you have all that 'damning evidence' which proves beyond any doubt the government was in on it, and have YET to do anything about it, disgusts me... unless...

YOU'RE in on it too.

Doing NOTHING??? That's a bold statement... The first step in the long battle was to get people past the outright aggression at even the SUGGESTION that the official version had some flaws. Now, MOST of the time people AT LEAST concede that they know the government lied even if they don't understand the extent. Actually, that's not entirely true... MOST of the time if the person isn't completely apathetic to the topic then they agree the government lied.

The apologists of corruption are actually dwindling... I mean, the five people on this site that push the official version make up the majority of people that oppose the truth.

If you 'really wanted to see it, you'd be working towards making it happen. Instead, you're here... whining.

If everyone agreed the government lied, then you'd be halfway to court already. Instead, you're here... whining.

If 'the five people on this site that push the official version make up the majority of people that oppose the truth', then why has it not gone to court? instead, you're trying your case here... whining.


Yes. You've done nothing. Nothing of consequence with the vast array of rock solid, irrefutable 'evidence' you've deluded yourself with. Nothing to help the people that died on 9/11. The ONLY thing you've done is stroke your own ego about how smart you are, how stupid anyone who doesn't believe you is, and how 'someday' you'll prove it to the world.

You're 15 minutes of fame ended 14 minutes ago.

 

[505]

I mean, the five people on this site that push the official version make up the majority of people that oppose the truth.

Haha! Just like out in the real world, most of the people on this site think you're full of ****. They just don't waste their time arguing with you because they know that you are completely oblivious. Add me to that list. You won't even debate anything honestly anymore and refuse to look at evidence when it's right there in front of you. "Truth seeker" my ***.

 

[usda select]

If you 'really wanted to see it, you'd be working towards making it happen. Instead, you're here... whining.

If everyone agreed the government lied, then you'd be halfway to court already. Instead, you're here... whining.

If 'the five people on this site that push the official version make up the majority of people that oppose the truth', then why has it not gone to court? instead, you're trying your case here... whining.


Yes. You've done nothing. Nothing of consequence with the vast array of rock solid, irrefutable 'evidence' you've deluded yourself with. Nothing to help the people that died on 9/11. The ONLY thing you've done is stroke your own ego about how smart you are, how stupid anyone who doesn't believe you is, and how 'someday' you'll prove it to the world.

You're 15 minutes of fame ended 14 minutes ago.

Excellent post. Spot on.

 

[BmanMcfly]

If you 'really wanted to see it, you'd be working towards making it happen. Instead, you're here... whining.

Yes, I'm here winning... and I am out there doing the small things I can to show people the hypocrisies going on around the world today, how 9-11 was at the very least an event allowed to happen as a pretext for 2 of the 4 wars the country is now waging.

If everyone agreed the government lied, then you'd be halfway to court already. Instead, you're here... whining.

Take 10 minutes and research those others that have ventured to challenge the government legally... At least then you can see how the legal approach really is not a viable approach, at least not in the US. So, the long-term approach of swaying public opinion just enough so that they are awaken to the TACTIC, THIS WAY when something like 9-11 gets pulled off again, then MORE people will immediately call out what they see for what it is.

If 'the five people on this site that push the official version make up the majority of people that oppose the truth', then why has it not gone to court? instead, you're trying your case here... whining.

Too busy winning on the street level...

Yes. You've done nothing. Nothing of consequence with the vast array of rock solid, irrefutable 'evidence' you've deluded yourself with. Nothing to help the people that died on 9/11. The ONLY thing you've done is stroke your own ego about how smart you are, how stupid anyone who doesn't believe you is, and how 'someday' you'll prove it to the world.

Care to back that statement up??

I know, you can't cause when your logic fails you resort to ad hom attacks... but oh, look at that, you went and tried parading your lost, so called, "loved one". (Though, using a lost one to further a personal cause of silencing 9-11 related discussions is hardly a 'loving' thing to do... but that's just my opinion)

But, I am sorry that you feel that I'm trying to show how smart I am... I'm sorry that I actually paid attention in school, and I'm especially sorry that my bringing up painful issues gets somehow interpreted as arrogance and ego-driven.

I don't think people are stupid for believing the official lie. You'd be amazed at how many people simply ARE NOT AWARE that WTC7 fell, never heard of it. There are even politicians now, like Donald Rumsfeld claim to not even know about the collapse of world trade center 7.... EVEN THOUGH he had setup military drills in that building from sept 10-12. So, soon, it's going to be a "conspiracy theory" that 3 buildings collapsed in New York that day.

The issue is not one of stupidity, even though sometimes that's probably a factor, this is more an issue of how easily led people are. Many people don't want to have to think for themselves, and so they don't.

You're 15 minutes of fame ended 14 minutes ago.

Fame?? I mean I get lots of groupies, but that was before 9-11 as well... but I'm far from famous and never have been, nor do I have any interest in becoming famous.

BTW, this was what you would call a non-sequitar.

 

[Demon of Light]

Hani hanjour crashed. Thats what should have happened. And thats what happend

Crashing is one thing. Crashing exactly where you want to crash is another.

 

[usda select]

Crashing is one thing. Crashing exactly where you want to crash is another.

And what makes you think he wanted to crash there; he hit the largest building in the world with a plane. Hardly a feat.