Nynaeve Meara
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Not all those places have the disparity of income, usually seen in cities where poverty is high. You won't see crime when there isn't anything there.We live on $350/week ($18K/year) so I think that I do understand very well what that is like. Again you ignore that many places in the US have incomes far below that level and yet are not high crime areas.
Not all those places have the disparity of income, usually seen in cities where poverty is high. You won't see crime when there isn't anything there.
See here is the thing, there are lots of rural areas that have no money available but they also have no people there, or a small enough people per sq mile you might not see your neighbor for days. When there is no one around to compare to there won't be a high crime rate. Family members on a farm don't generally murder each other, unless its for money or love.
I don't debate that. I said that your comparison is crap.
It's not word games to say that suburbs have more income and less crime. It's not word games to say that suburbs are not inner cities.
Irrelevant to the discussion..More evasion and obfuscation.You can't compare the New York Yankees to a semi-pro squad in Wisconsin. Apples and oranges.
ALL of them? Are you SURE? Why would that be, if it's true?Yes, whiter, richer places have less crime.
Your contention is that it's because black people are inherently less good than white people. Prove that it's because of race.
You seem to have lost your way.
The neo nazi message board is over at Stormfront.
Are you actually denying that there are problems within the African American community? Continually making them into victims isn't helping them at all you know.
Address the point and debunk it if you can.
the most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
mistaking correlation for causation. common mistake...
So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.
Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.
The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
Prove it wrong.
So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.
Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.
The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
Prove it wrong.
No, but he took a class. :lol:
You haven't proved that there's more crime BECAUSE they're black. You have proved that poorer areas have more crime than richer ones, even though you say that's not your point.
Ahhh ye olde cliche defense. Instead dealing with the facts that you are mistaking correlation for causation you just dismiss it as a cliche. OK so lets look at your premise. Here are the top 15 US cities by population.
New York - 51.2% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Los Angeles - 68.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Chicago - 45.1% minority 79th on the 100 most dangerous cities in US for per capita violent crime
Houston - 60.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Philadelphia - 45.1% minority 50th on the 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
Phoenix - 41.4% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Antonio - 64% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Diego - 51.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Dallas - 49.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Jose - 64.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Austin - 45.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Jacksonville - 34.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Indianapolis - 25.5% minority 60th on the top 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
San Francisco - 57.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Columbus - 24.1% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
So just to recap of the 15 most populace cities in the US only 3 are on the top 100 list for per capita violent crime rates and all three have majority white populations. When are the white leaders of America going to do something about the crisis in white America????
Needless to say your premise if false and you are still mistaking correlation for causation.
You're wrong and trying to be evasive.
My premise is not false and the FBI data proving it is (once again) listed below.
The FBI doesn't parse data to only suit an agenda (as you are). We are looking at factual raw data with no equivocating.
Now, if you can debunk those numbers and prove that the FBI is lying, proceed. Stop trying to redefine the topic and move the goal posts to support your argument.
According to the FBI;
Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
1. Camden, New Jersey (Population 77, 344) (17.59% Caucasian, 48.07% African American, 34.34% Other Race) ($27,027)
2. Detroit, Michigan (Population 713,777) ( 10.6% Caucasian, 82.7% African American, 6.7% Other Race) ($25,787)
3. Atlanta, Georgia (Population 420,003) ( 38.4% Caucasian, 54% African American, 7.6% Other Race) ($35,453)
4. St. Louis, Missouri (Population 319,294) ( 43.9% Caucasian, 49.2% African American, 6.9% Other Race) ($29,159)
5. Gary, Indiana (Population 80,294) ( 11.92% Caucasian, 84.03% African American, 4.05% Other Race) ($27,195)
6. Washington, DC (Population 617,996) ( 38.5% Caucasian, 50.7% African American, 10.8% Other Race) ($55,755)
7. Hartford, Connecticut (Population 124,775) ( 18.72% Caucasian, 40.05% African American, 41.23% Other Race) ($20,820)
8. New Orleans, Louisiana (Population 343,829) ( 33% Caucasian, 60.2% African American, 6.8% Other Race) ($24,929)
9. Richmond, Virginia (Population 204,214) ( 41.6% Caucasian, 52.3% African American, 6.1% Other Race) ($31,121)
10. Birmingham, Alabama (Population 212,237) ( 35.07% Caucasian, 62.46% African American, 2.47% Other Race) ($26,735)
Dishonorable Mention: Chicago, Illinois (Population 2,695,598) (45.0% Caucasian, 32.9% African American, 22.1% Other Race) ($38,625)
Read more at Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
Top 10 Safest cities in the US 2013
1. Newton, Massachusetts (Population 85,146) (79.6% Caucasian, 2.5% African American, 17.9% Other Race) ($112,230)
2. Brick Township, New Jersey (Population 75,072) ( 93.05% Caucasian, 2% African American, 4.95% Other Race) ($65,129)
3. Amherst, New York (Population 122,366) ( 83.8% Caucasian, 5.7% African American, 10.5% Other Race) ($55,427)
4. Mission Viejo, California (Population 93,305) ( 79.8% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($93,330)
5. Clarkstown, New York (Population 84,187) ( 79.97% Caucasian, 7.87% African American, 12.16% Other Race) ($92,121)
6. Lake Forest, California (Population 77,264) ( 70.3% Caucasian, 1.7% African American, 28% Other Race) ($86,285)
7. Thousand Oaks, California (Population 126,683) ( 80.3% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.4% Other Race) ($101,120)
8. Colonie, New York (Population 81,591) ( 90.55% Caucasian, 3.96% African American, 5.85% Other Race) ($51,817)
9. Cary, North Carolina (Population 135,234) ( 73.1% Caucasian, 8% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($83,292)
10. Toms River, New Jersey (Population 91,239) ( 89.91% Caucasian, 2.7% African American, 7.39% Other Race) ($71,934)
I haven't "proved" it because I never claimed that.
I DID say that;
The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
So it's not because of income, and it's not because they're minorities....it's magic!
You're wrong and trying to be evasive.
My premise is not false and the FBI data proving it is (once again) listed below.
The FBI doesn't parse data to only suit an agenda (as you are). We are looking at factual raw data with no equivocating.
Now, if you can debunk those numbers and prove that the FBI is lying, proceed. Stop trying to redefine the topic and move the goal posts to support your argument.
According to the FBI;
Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
1. Camden, New Jersey (Population 77, 344) (17.59% Caucasian, 48.07% African American, 34.34% Other Race) ($27,027)
2. Detroit, Michigan (Population 713,777) ( 10.6% Caucasian, 82.7% African American, 6.7% Other Race) ($25,787)
3. Atlanta, Georgia (Population 420,003) ( 38.4% Caucasian, 54% African American, 7.6% Other Race) ($35,453)
4. St. Louis, Missouri (Population 319,294) ( 43.9% Caucasian, 49.2% African American, 6.9% Other Race) ($29,159)
5. Gary, Indiana (Population 80,294) ( 11.92% Caucasian, 84.03% African American, 4.05% Other Race) ($27,195)
6. Washington, DC (Population 617,996) ( 38.5% Caucasian, 50.7% African American, 10.8% Other Race) ($55,755)
7. Hartford, Connecticut (Population 124,775) ( 18.72% Caucasian, 40.05% African American, 41.23% Other Race) ($20,820)
8. New Orleans, Louisiana (Population 343,829) ( 33% Caucasian, 60.2% African American, 6.8% Other Race) ($24,929)
9. Richmond, Virginia (Population 204,214) ( 41.6% Caucasian, 52.3% African American, 6.1% Other Race) ($31,121)
10. Birmingham, Alabama (Population 212,237) ( 35.07% Caucasian, 62.46% African American, 2.47% Other Race) ($26,735)
Dishonorable Mention: Chicago, Illinois (Population 2,695,598) (45.0% Caucasian, 32.9% African American, 22.1% Other Race) ($38,625)
Read more at Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
Top 10 Safest cities in the US 2013
1. Newton, Massachusetts (Population 85,146) (79.6% Caucasian, 2.5% African American, 17.9% Other Race) ($112,230)
2. Brick Township, New Jersey (Population 75,072) ( 93.05% Caucasian, 2% African American, 4.95% Other Race) ($65,129)
3. Amherst, New York (Population 122,366) ( 83.8% Caucasian, 5.7% African American, 10.5% Other Race) ($55,427)
4. Mission Viejo, California (Population 93,305) ( 79.8% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($93,330)
5. Clarkstown, New York (Population 84,187) ( 79.97% Caucasian, 7.87% African American, 12.16% Other Race) ($92,121)
6. Lake Forest, California (Population 77,264) ( 70.3% Caucasian, 1.7% African American, 28% Other Race) ($86,285)
7. Thousand Oaks, California (Population 126,683) ( 80.3% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.4% Other Race) ($101,120)
8. Colonie, New York (Population 81,591) ( 90.55% Caucasian, 3.96% African American, 5.85% Other Race) ($51,817)
9. Cary, North Carolina (Population 135,234) ( 73.1% Caucasian, 8% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($83,292)
10. Toms River, New Jersey (Population 91,239) ( 89.91% Caucasian, 2.7% African American, 7.39% Other Race) ($71,934)
No, it's culture.
Ahhh ye olde cliche defense. Instead dealing with the facts that you are mistaking correlation for causation you just dismiss it as a cliche. OK so lets look at your premise. Here are the top 15 US cities by population.
New York - 51.2% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Los Angeles - 68.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Chicago - 45.1% minority 79th on the 100 most dangerous cities in US for per capita violent crime
Houston - 60.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Philadelphia - 45.1% minority 50th on the 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
Phoenix - 41.4% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Antonio - 64% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Diego - 51.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Dallas - 49.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Jose - 64.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Austin - 45.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Jacksonville - 34.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Indianapolis - 25.5% minority 60th on the top 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
San Francisco - 57.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Columbus - 24.1% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
So just to recap of the 15 most populace cities in the US only 3 are on the top 100 list for per capita violent crime rates and all three have majority white populations. When are the white leaders of America going to do something about the crisis in white America????
Needless to say your premise if false and you are still mistaking correlation for causation.
Link please?
So it's not because of income, and it's not because they're minorities....it's magic!
Again your premise is faulse. You are mistaking correlation for causation.
Safest - Newton, MA median income $109.724 Most Dangerous - Camden, NJ median income $26,347
Brick Township, NJ median income $63,884 Detroit, MI median income $27,862
Amherst, NY median income $87,881 Atlanta, GA median income $49,736
Mission Viejo, CA median income $93.305 St. Louis, MO median income $34,402
Clarkstown, NY median income $56,951 Gary, IN median income $48,393
Lake Forest, CA median income $94,632 Washington, DC median income $61,835
Thousand Oaks, CA median income $100,373 Hartford, CT median income $29,107
Colonie, NY median income $70,389 New Orleans, LA median income $44,086
Cary, NC median income $91,997 Richmond, VA median income $39,201
Toms River, NJ median income $73,796 Birmingham, AL median income $42,934
From the above it would be just as easy for me to state that the most dangerous cities in the US are because they have a median income of less than $50K. The only outlier in that is Washington, DC and if you look into those numbers I am sure the reason the median income is high is due to all the politicians salaries and their hacks are included in that number. That being said I would still be wrong in saying that because that would make the same mistake you are making. I would be mistaking correlation for causation. I can correlate low median income with crime but I cannot prove it is the deciding factor. The same is true with your premise. In fact I think you are a premise in search of facts. You make the facts prove your premise. Your premise is flawed. It is obvious to everyone but those wishing your premise to be true.
Look, ace..here are total murder rates from 2000-2010 in the states YOU chose...
Murder in America - WSJ.com
I'm not going to research individual city data for you. This proves my point, however, about minority crime rates and SPECIFICALLY murder rates.
Now make excuses, deny, equivocate, obfuscate, spin, twist...whatever you want..The facts are right there for you.
New York -
9748 murders
black 5745
white (NON hispanic) 3255
hisp 508
unknown 149
Murderers;
black 3883
white 2194
hisp 393
unknown 4298
Los Angeles -
26371
black 7621
white 5480
hisp.11331
committed by;
black 4847
white 5017
hisp 8074
Chicago -
Chicago has already been covered...and we know all about its' crime rate and who is committing them.
Houston -
15807
black 4971
white 4973
hisp 5504
Committed by
black 5071
white 4087
hisp 4744
Philadelphia -
7801
black 4787
white 2269
hisp 624
committed by
black 4206
white 1800
hisp 475
Phoenix -
4940
black 572
white 1970
hisp 2163
Committed by
black 548
white1625
hisp 1482
San Antonio -
We've already done texas
San Diego -
We've already done cal.
Dallas -
Already done
San Jose -
Already done
Austin -
already done
Jacksonville -
Fla data not available
Indianapolis -
total murders 3624
victims;
black 2048
white 1517
hisp. negligible
unknown 43
committed by
black 1443
white 1072
hisp negligible
unknown 1032
San Francisco -
done
Columbus -
murders 5404
victims
black 3156
white 2129
hisp xxxx
unknown 96
committed by
black 2828
white 1612
hisp xxx
unknown 1748
Correct. The reason is because it is true.You can quote any statistic you want that states that minorities commit crimes at higher rates all you want.
I have never said that. You keep bringing up that strawman argument. Tell ya what...If you find the quote where I said that I'll leave this forum. If no quote exists you leave...want to take that challenge?That is a what is called correlated data not causation data. Unless again, as other posts suggests, you want it to be true that blacks are more likely to commit crime just because they are black.
You are the type moron that would state diet cola causes obesity because most people who drink diet cola are fat. Ignoring the fact that people who are not obese are not drinking diet cola because they are not obese.
With any statistic there are volumes of data that can correlate to the problem but not be the cause.
I never asked you for any answers. I have no "preconceived notions". I posted hard, proven facts of minority crime rates.You want a simple answer due to your preconcieved notions.
No. I keep telling you those are proven FACTS I posted. No doubletalk there. You can keep pretending not to understand but no one is fooled, I don't think.The only person guilty of double talk or obfuscation is you.
jesus h christ..I've said it plainly for the past 10 pages. Negroes commit disproportionate amounts of crime despite only making up 13% of the population.Just come out and say what you are alluding to.
You believe that black people commit more crime because they are black. It is obvious from your previous posts.
doubletalk, excuses and evasion. We aren't talking about income or salaries or politicians or whatever red herring you're trying to use to distract..
The simple fact remains that negroes commit disproportionate amounts of crime despite only being 13% of the population. The FBI isn't lying.
We can do this all day long if you want.You can't debunk facts and reality.
The problem with hatred and violence is that they intensify the fears of the white majority, and leave them less ashamed of their prejudices toward Negroes. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
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