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$840M in gold bars prepared for loading onto Russian jet at Venezuelan airport

Fledermaus said:
In the article you have posted.
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Fledermaus:

No. The Supreme Tribunal of Justice of Venezuela (STJ) may remove President Maduro, not the National Assembly. The National Assembly cannot constitutionally remove Maduro. Furthermore if Maduro becomes absolutely absent/unavailable then there is a line of succession and the President of the National Assembly is not first but second in the line of succession. One of the two Vice Presidents must fill the role of President (they are both hardcore Chavistas) as the VPs are first in the line of succession.

The constitution requires that if the President is removed by the STJ with the approval of the National Assembly, then popular elections must be held within 30 consecutive days of the removal of the old president. The Venezuelan opposition has already said it will not respect this 30-day deadline because the opposition will not have enough time to replace the electoral deputies, redistribute the electoral districts (gerrymander) and sway the majority of the people who despite their dislike for Maduro will still likely vote Chavista. So the opposition controlled National Assembly invokes the constitution, over-reaches its own authority delineated in that constitution and promises to violate that constitution. They are no better than Mr. Maduro and his political hacks who the opposition allege violated the constitution by rigging the election. They just want to rig it more.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Westphalian said:
and no sane government should place any assets in the UK financial system.
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Doesn't stop Russian government officials and oligarchs/mobsters from depositing in British banks and buying UK real-estate now does it?

They even send their kids to elite British schools. Yup, terrible place :lamo
 
Rogue Valley said:
Doesn't stop Russian government officials and oligarchs/mobsters from depositing in British banks and buying UK real-estate now does it?

They even send their kids to elite British schools. Yup, terrible place :lamo
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Yes, there is still a pro western elite in Russia who are prepared to use western facilities - Lavrov et al.


Then there is the criminal oligarch class who London welcomes with open arms, virtually fawning over the super-rich stolen wealth they bring into the UK.


I expect nothing else from the UK, the most hypocritical state in the world. It abhors Russia and talks loudly about combating money laundering and tax evasion whilst proudly making a fortune from facilitating exactly that.
 
Westphalian said:
I expect nothing else from the UK, the most hypocritical state in the world. It abhors Russia and talks loudly about combating money laundering and tax evasion whilst proudly making a fortune from facilitating exactly that.
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It is primarily English bankers and real-estate brokers who love the illicit Russian [laundered] money.

The British government just passed new laws to determine where incoming foreign money comes from. If illicit, it's a no-go.

Pretty smooth that you simply ignore how the Russians in government - like Lavrov - procured their fortunes.
 
Lafayette said:
Maduros "election" was a complete fraud.

He has no credibility whatsoever as an "elected president" of the country.

He should go back to driving buses ...
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Nor has the pretender.

Listen I dont disagree that Maduro, based on the last election, has a lessened credibility, however the pretender has no legal argument that I can find to take power. By supporting the pretender, we the west are doing an Ukraine 2.0 and that is a BAD idea. Every time we in the west do this kind of stuff, we weaken our claim that democracy and liberty is the way forward.

And lets be real here... the ONLY reason that the US really is meddling, is because Maduro and Venezuela are Russian allies and the country under right wing so called democratic elected governments.. was a US ally. And of course, it would be very nice for the US to control the worlds biggest and second biggest oil reserves..

Removing Maduro wont help the vast majority of people in Venezuela.. all it will do is, put a US puppet in place.
 
PeteEU said:
Nor has the pretender.

Listen I dont disagree that Maduro, based on the last election, has a lessened credibility, however the pretender has no legal argument that I can find to take power. By supporting the pretender, we the west are doing an Ukraine 2.0 and that is a BAD idea. Every time we in the west do this kind of stuff, we weaken our claim that democracy and liberty is the way forward.

And lets be real here... the ONLY reason that the US really is meddling, is because Maduro and Venezuela are Russian allies and the country under right wing so called democratic elected governments.. was a US ally. And of course, it would be very nice for the US to control the worlds biggest and second biggest oil reserves..

Removing Maduro wont help the vast majority of people in Venezuela.. all it will do is, put a US puppet in place.
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A "US puppet" that may reverse the fortunes in the government controls and in Venezuela's only real export thereby improving the economic outlook for the nation.
 
From WikiPedia, here: 2018 Venezuelan presidential election
Presidential elections were held in Venezuela on 20 May 2018, with incumbent Nicolás Maduro being re-elected for a second six-year term. Considered a snap election, the original electoral date was scheduled for December 2018 but was subsequently pulled ahead to 22 April before being pushed back to 20 May. Some analysts described the poll as a show election, with the elections having the lowest voter turnout in the country's democratic era.

Several Venezuelan NGOs, such as Foro Penal Venezolano, Súmate, Voto Joven [es], the Venezuelan Electoral Observatory and the Citizen Electoral Network, expressed their concern over the irregularities of the electoral schedule, including the lack of the Constituent Assembly's competencies to summon the elections, impeding participation of opposition political parties, and the lack of time for standard electoral functions.

Because of this, European Union, the Organization of American States, the Lima Group and countries such as Australia and the United States rejected the electoral process. However, countries such as China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Turkey and others recognized the election result.
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'Nuff said or you still have "doubts" ... ?
 
Fledermaus said:
A "US puppet" that may reverse the fortunes in the government controls and in Venezuela's only real export thereby improving the economic outlook for the nation.
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A US puppet gave us Chavez...why would an US puppet produce any more?

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Fledermaus said:
Ummmmm

No.
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Err yes. Decades of rightwing corruption and abuse lead to the rise of Chavez. Those right wing governments were US backed.

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PeteEU said:
Err yes. Decades of rightwing corruption and abuse lead to the rise of Chavez. Those right wing governments were US backed.

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"Corruption and abuse" that led to the richest country in Latin America. Food on the tables. Medicine and other essentials on the shelves.

"Corruption and abuse" that pale in comparison to what is happening today.
 
Fledermaus said:
"Corruption and abuse" that led to the richest country in Latin America. Food on the tables. Medicine and other essentials on the shelves.
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And left the vast majority of the population in poverty..

"Corruption and abuse" that pale in comparison to what is happening today.
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yes, but quite a bit of it is due to US sanctions and actions.. The irony is that the economy is still majority privately owned....

Listen I dont like the current government or former Chavez governments but ignoring the very reason they got into power in the first place is frankly crazy and stupid. There is a reason that Chavez was so popular.. he was not a US puppet and gave a voice to the vast majority of people who felt abused by the ruling class (and rightfully so).
 
PeteEU said:
And left the vast majority of the population in poverty..

yes, but quite a bit of it is due to US sanctions and actions.. The irony is that the economy is still majority privately owned....

Listen I dont like the current government or former Chavez governments but ignoring the very reason they got into power in the first place is frankly crazy and stupid. There is a reason that Chavez was so popular.. he was not a US puppet and gave a voice to the vast majority of people who felt abused by the ruling class (and rightfully so).
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Gee.... When in the past were conditions as they are today? Roughly 10% have emigrated and yet not enough food, medicine or other essentials.... Inflation off the charts. GDP shrunken.

The majority of the economy may be privately owned... But the corner market really isn't helping the GDP nor is the shoe repair down the street. The industries that matter have been nationalized, mismanaged and damaged...

Hell, Venezuela is still shipping oil to the US but cannot keep up with demand because the oil industois ****ed.
 
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