70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

[VanceMack]

I would do the most cruel thing imaginable...

I would slam the door shut...STRICT border enforcement. No trucks in or out without complete inspections and armed border guards...shoot to kill. Yeah...no...Im not kidding. I would adopt mejicos border rules. I would also enact immediate and severe penalties against any employer that hired an illegal citizen to include HUGE fines and prison time for management. That should end immediately any potential illegal immigration in the future. And then the kicker...I would make every single person here an immediate US citizen. No path to citizenship. Done. Welcome to the country.

Of course...with me gutting the welfare programs and social services your taxes are going to go up. Oh...and I tariff the HELL out of any Western Union transactions being wired out of the country. Welcome...glad to have you...you are hereby a citizen and therefore a consumer.

Edit: Oh yeah...forgot...I would also be a real jerk..I would decriminalize marijuana and allow people here to grow their own. Sorry about your drug trade. And you dont even want to know about the sentences I would impose for drug trafficking of coke, heroin, and synthetics...

 

[Deuce]

I laugh when I hear the term "anchor baby" or "invader" when referencing illegal immigrants.

Go back enough generations and chances are you yourself are an invader.

 

[lpast]

It needs to stop. We either need a big 1-time investiment to generate programs to help these people function and attain citizenship (not a fan), or we need to get them out of here.

Funny story...the jr. highs in my parents' town (I think their are 10) offer free English classes for Spanish speakers every Wednesday night. These classes are offered voluntarily by ESL teachers in the district who have recognized a problem with communication between English-only teachers and Spanish-only parents. These classes are advertised on the school marquee signs, in send-home newsletters (in Spanish), and on the district website. Attendence averages about 5-7 parents per school, per class and parents usually only attend 1 class. If you averaged out the Spanish-only parents across all 10 schools you'd find that there are probably 75-125 parents per school who are Spanish-only, yet they don't take advantage of these classes for the success of their children (and themselves). Perhaps it's because they're scared they'll be reported to INS or another agency...who knows? But if you're trying to blend in to a community and succeed for your family, why not take advantage of free services?

Not gonna happen....The democrats are selling out our country and its citizens in the hopes of votes and The Republicans are selling out the country and its citizens so their rich buddies can have CHEAP labor and keep the wages for all earners in the toilet so the rich can get mOAR and mOAR

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

I laugh when I hear the term "anchor baby" or "invader" when referencing illegal immigrants.

Go back enough generations and chances are you yourself are an invader.

But not illegal...

 

[graduate14]

Nope that's not what my statement meant and I'm pretty sure you know that. But for the sake of arguement I'll rephrase it just for you.

"They (American citizens) want a more streamlined way of doing it yes. However they (American citizens) prefer that we first get our border secure and take care of the illegals currently in the country that are using up our resources...such as welfare (IE get them out)."

Agreed, border is security is obviously a priority. We know this and yet we have no action. Why? As for your welfare view, undocumented immigrants are using up our resources. American citizens are.

The view that I am talking about is your view that anti-illegals are anti-illegal because they are against latino's. You have shown that you have this view by the post that I quoted in my last post. You argueing for a specific race by itself does not prove your views wrong. Though it may show that you are biased.

Your claims are ridiculous. Explaiin to me, how am i implying the anti-illegals are anti-illegal because they are latino?

 

[graduate14]

Not gonna happen....The democrats are selling out our country and its citizens in the hopes of votes and The Republicans are selling out the country and its citizens so their rich buddies can have CHEAP labor and keep the wages for all earners in the toilet so the rich can get mOAR and mOAR

As far as i know, legal citizens poses the strongest power and yet we stand on the sidelines watching our elected officials dismantle our country from the inside out and do nothing? I commend all the immigration activists and undocumented immigrants for the hard work they putting in. Obviously, not everyone agrees with they're views but they are attempting to make a difference. Hopefully the US offers a path to citizenship soon.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Agreed, border is security is obviously a priority. We know this and yet we have no action. Why? As for your welfare view, undocumented immigrants are using up our resources. American citizens are.

The why is what I'd like to know. And so would alot of other people. We can speculate all that we want, but that doesn't answer the question.

As for Americans using up the resources....considering its our country? We have a right to. Illegals don't.

Your claims are ridiculous. Explaiin to me, how am i implying the anti-illegals are anti-illegal because they are latino?

Read it again. I said because you believe that they are against latino's.

Reading comprehension does wonders for posting skills.

 

[graduate14]

As for Americans using up the resources....considering its our country? We have a right to. Illegals don't.

US citizens are not only using up our resources but abusing them. I am sure a large amount of US citizens are lying to get more welfare and possibly using it on themselves. Does this sound familiar? But you know this as you already admitted a friend of yours is using his/her welfare on his/herself. The amount of US citizens on welfare clearly out weights the ones that are not US citizens. Obviously an illegal immigrant on welfare is a problem however the bigger problem is the welfare abusing citizens.

 

[Kal'Stang]

US citizens are not only using up our resources but abusing them. I am sure a large amount of US citizens are lying to get more welfare and possibly using it on themselves. Does this sound familiar? But you know this as you already admitted a friend of yours is using his/her welfare on his/herself. The amount of US citizens on welfare clearly out weights the ones that are not US citizens. Obviously an illegal immigrant on welfare is a problem however the bigger problem is the welfare abusing citizens.

The US citizen abusing the system is bad yes. Hence why I'm perfectly OK with reforming welfare to where only those that actually need the assistance get it. But that is a different subject for a different thread. And sure, US citizens abusing the system in shear numbers outweighs that of illegals. But that does not mean that we should ignore illegals abusing the system, in fact its just another reason why we should include getting illegals out of this country.

 

[Dittohead not!]

It's time to stop all of the unnecessary government giveaways.
Stop payments to illegal aliens. They don't belong here anyway.
Stop agricultural subsidies.
Stop giving away money to foreign countries whose people hate us.
Quit bailing out banks and big corporations when they get into trouble.

The government is broke. If we stopped the giveaway programs, raised taxes, cut back the military to only twice as much as any other nation spends, we might start to pay down the national debt.

 

[Kal'Stang]

It's time to stop all of the unnecessary government giveaways.
Stop payments to illegal aliens. They don't belong here anyway.
Stop agricultural subsidies.
Stop giving away money to foreign countries whose people hate us.
Quit bailing out banks and big corporations when they get into trouble.

The government is broke. If we stopped the giveaway programs, raised taxes, cut back the military to only twice as much as any other nation spends, we might start to pay down the national debt.

I pretty much agree with all but 1 of those. Agriculture subsidies. As long as the government controls how much farmers can grow then the government should give them subsidies.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I pretty much agree with all but 1 of those. Agriculture subsidies. As long as the government controls how much farmers can grow then the government should give them subsidies.

Then the government shouldn't control how much they grow. Does it?

 

[Kal'Stang]

Then the government shouldn't control how much they grow. Does it?

I would agree...except that they do. Until they don't then I'm all for subsidies in agricutlure.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I would agree...except that they do. Until they don't then I'm all for subsidies in agricutlure.

Then let's get the government out of agriculture altogether. Where in the Constitution does the federal government have the responsibility of regulating how much of a particular crop should be grown, or how much the grower should get for that crop?

While we're at it, let's boot the lobbyists who are behind... no, that is just building castles in the sky, isn't it?

 

[graduate14]

But that does not mean that we should ignore illegals abusing the system, in fact its just another reason why we should include getting illegals out of this country.

Of course not. Abuse by anyone no matter their immigration status is a problem. How about tighter welfare monitoring for everyone to make sure there aren't any fraudulent cases present? And you are aware that removing all undocumented immigrants will cost millions right? How about a pathway to citizenship for those that qualify so they can contribute and give back to US. Maybe Obama is onto something when he said his deportation focus will be on undocumented criminals. Think about it...

 

[graduate14]

It's time to stop all of the unnecessary government giveaways.
Stop payments to illegal aliens. They don't belong here anyway.
Stop agricultural subsidies.
Stop giving away money to foreign countries whose people hate us.
Quit bailing out banks and big corporations when they get into trouble.

The government is broke. If we stopped the giveaway programs, raised taxes, cut back the military to only twice as much as any other nation spends, we might start to pay down the national debt.

Can you elaborate on your four step process on lowering the national debt?

 

[Dittohead not!]

Can you elaborate on your four step process on lowering the national debt?

Sure.
1. Quit giving money away. That includes money to buy friendship of foreign nations, subsidies for crops, and corporate bailouts.
2. Cut back the size of the military. We could pass an amendment limiting the cost to only double whatever the second place big military spender spends.
3. Quit paying money to illegal aliens.
4. Raise taxes back to what they were back in 2000, when the federal government spent nearly 21% of the GDP, as opposed to the just over 17% they have now.

Between the $800 or so billion in new revenues and another $800B in cuts, the budget would be balanced. Once the economy starts up again, we could start paying down the debt.

 

[graduate14]

Sure.
1. Quit giving money away. That includes money to buy friendship of foreign nations, subsidies for crops, and corporate bailouts.
2. Cut back the size of the military. We could pass an amendment limiting the cost to only double whatever the second place big military spender spends.
3. Quit paying money to illegal aliens.
4. Raise taxes back to what they were back in 2000, when the federal government spent nearly 21% of the GDP, as opposed to the just over 17% they have now.

Between the $800 or so billion in new revenues and another $800B in cuts, the budget would be balanced. Once the economy starts up again, we could start paying down the debt.

Great! Except you failed to elaborate on #3.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Great! Except you failed to elaborate on #3.

Did I now? Well, if they're back in Mexico or Guatemala, then we don't have to give them money any more. That would be foreign aid, after all.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Of course not. Abuse by anyone no matter their immigration status is a problem. How about tighter welfare monitoring for everyone to make sure there aren't any fraudulent cases present? And you are aware that removing all undocumented immigrants will cost millions right? How about a pathway to citizenship for those that qualify so they can contribute and give back to US. Maybe Obama is onto something when he said his deportation focus will be on undocumented criminals. Think about it...

Bold part: Fine by me.

Underlined part: Not if it is done correctly. We don't need to deport them directly. Enforce the laws we have currently and beef up the punishments and perhaps add a few stricter laws or laws that make it easier to detect/find illegals and they will deport themselves. Make the life of an illegal extremely hard and they will get fed up and leave all on thier own.

Red part: No. Amnesty is not an option as it just rewards people for bad behavior. And yes...what you suggest is amnesty.

Blue part: If Obama isn't doing what it takes to get rid of all illegals then he is not doing his job as the President of the United States. It is his job to secure the border and his job to get rid of all illegals. Irregardless if they have commited more crimes than just entering the US illegally.

 

[Mason66]

Makes me "feel" that I am glad old enough to most likely die before the US becomes a third world nation. That is based on your thoughts that Latino's population will triple in about 10 years. It is also based on if the citizens of the US do nothing to stop the illegal flow of aliens into the US.

Where is the connection between Latinos and third world status?

 

[graduate14]

Bold part:
Underlined part: Not if it is done correctly. We don't need to deport them directly. Enforce the laws we have currently and beef up the punishments and perhaps add a few stricter laws or laws that make it easier to detect/find illegals and they will deport themselves. Make the life of an illegal extremely hard and they will get fed up and leave all on thier own.

Agreed, but only for criminals. In fact, how about we strip citizenship from all US criminals? I know plenty of US citizens who do not deserve citizenship. Remember when the GOP in Arizona attempted to strip birthright citizens of their citizenship because they were born from undocumented immigrants? Same idea.

Red part: No. Amnesty is not an option as it just rewards people for bad behavior. And yes...what you suggest is amnesty.

In other words "illegal is illegal" right? Geez, what a great argument you have there. Amnesty pardons a person from crossing the border illegally it does reward bad behavior itself. Would you rather pardon an undocumented person or Casey Anthony? Amnesty is an option and will happen.

Blue part: If Obama isn't doing what it takes to get rid of all illegals then he is not doing his job as the President of the United States. It is his job to secure the border and his job to get rid of all illegals. Irregardless if they have commited more crimes than just entering the US illegally.

Are you aware that the Obama administration has deported more undocumented immigrants than any other admin? The very president that most criticize negatively. My guess is that you are anti-Obama as well. Obama is doing his job and doing it well. Obama is also listening to the citizens of the US. A large amount of the US population would like a pathway to citizenship for those who qualify hence the reason why he continues to deport but is focusing on criminals.

Have you ever thought that a pathway to citizenship for those who are qualified may actually benefit the US? The economy? I know several undocumented immigrants who own small business's. No one talks about deporting them. hmm , i wonder why? The fact is, undocumented immigrants risked their life for a better future. Do you seriously think they did it for the sake of breaking the law?

 

[graduate14]

Did I now? Well, if they're back in Mexico or Guatemala, then we don't have to give them money any more. That would be foreign aid, after all.

Again: failure to answer #3 and i am actually arguing for all undocumented people. Good to know you're against Mexicans and Guatemalans though.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Agreed, but only for criminals. In fact, how about we strip citizenship from all US criminals? I know plenty of US citizens who do not deserve citizenship. Remember when the GOP in Arizona attempted to strip birthright citizens of their citizenship because they were born from undocumented immigrants? Same idea.

Why'd you delete my answer to the part I had bolded and try to include it (just the words "bold part") with the underlined part? Trying to put words in my mouth or skew what I said will get you no where real fast.

Also I support AZ stripping birthright citizenship from those born from illegals. The original author of that amendment specifically did not want illegals and diplomats children to be covered.

As for stripping US citizens that are criminals of citizenship? No. One reason being that if we did so they would have no country to go to. Those that are born here from illegals do have another country to go to where they are legal.

In other words "illegal is illegal" right? Geez, what a great argument you have there. Amnesty pardons a person from crossing the border illegally it does reward bad behavior itself. Would you rather pardon an undocumented person or Casey Anthony? Amnesty is an option and will happen.

Bold part: Thats right.

Underlined part: Glad we agree. And it is one of the reasons I am against amnesty.

Red part: Casey anthony was not convicted of any crime, as such there is no need to pardon.

Blue part: Keep dreaming. Just because it happened once does not mean that it will happen again.

Are you aware that the Obama administration has deported more undocumented immigrants than any other admin? The very president that most criticize negatively. My guess is that you are anti-Obama as well. Obama is doing his job and doing it well. Obama is also listening to the citizens of the US. A large amount of the US population would like a pathway to citizenship for those who qualify hence the reason why he continues to deport but is focusing on criminals.

Proof please. Along with the legislation that he signed that is the reason for these deportations.

Have you ever thought that a pathway to citizenship for those who are qualified may actually benefit the US? The economy? I know several undocumented immigrants who own small business's. No one talks about deporting them. hmm , i wonder why? The fact is, undocumented immigrants risked their life for a better future. Do you seriously think they did it for the sake of breaking the law?

Don't care. They should have come here legally. Then we wouldn't have a problem.

 

[Mason66]

Agreed, but only for criminals. In fact, how about we strip citizenship from all US criminals? I know plenty of US citizens who do not deserve citizenship. Remember when the GOP in Arizona attempted to strip birthright citizens of their citizenship because they were born from undocumented immigrants? Same idea.

So you are OK with 1 speeding ticket and you have no citizenship?

People break the law everyday in 1 way or another, so nobody would have citizenship.

I don't think you thought this out.