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5th Planned Parenthood video: Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’[W:290]

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Yup. Because all I heard is this
: "misinformation works.... And oh yea check out this really gross image I saw, let me try to describe it... Because... Yuck! Yucky yucky! Also check out my meme"
I don't believe you mean that but it does allow you, actually require you, to carry on with the meme you've been peddling.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

I don't believe you mean that but it does allow you, actually require you, to carry on with the meme you've been peddling.

What meme is that? :)
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

What meme is that? :)

The Planned Parenthood is pristine and the videos don't show anything and it's a right-wing cabal hit-job and yadayadayada.
You're stuck with it and locked in no matter what comes up next.
 
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The Planned Parenthood is pristine and the videos don't show anything and it's a right-wing cabal hit-job and yadayadayada.
You're stuck with it and locked in no matter what comes up next.

None of that was a meme.
But here is the law: U.S.C. Title 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE Let me know how they broke it.
 
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But if thats illegal, they are waiting on the charges

You know, there weren't always laws against Ponzi schemes either. I don't know when the charges will come, if ever. But they should because even if PP is found "not guilty" of violating any specific existing laws...new laws will come from it. There is no reason the prices should be negotiable. None. Do you know how much it costs to procure a fetal heart or lung? Is it more expensive or less expensive to snag a kidney than it is an intact brain? Planned Parenthood doesn't know either, apparently. They just haggle for the best price they can get. It's morbidly absurd even if it's not technically illegal to haggle over the "reasonable costs" associated with harvesting fetal organs.

Do universities and research facilities haggle over the costs of bodies donated to medical research among adult donors?
 
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Because they are negotiating a contract............ And different procedures and different variable account for the price... Such as, which is explained in all the unedited videos, : type of operation, location of operation, size of specimen, weight, shipping costs, length of operation, etc.

And if it was truly made to make a "profit" whats up with this: "Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.”"?
Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video
Whats up with this: Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories and formerly the deputy director of the National Cancer Institute’s Office of Biorepositories and Biospecimen Research, told us in an email that “$30 to $100 per sample is a reasonable charge for clinical operations to recover their costs for providing tissue.” In fact, he said, the costs to a clinic are often much higher, but most operations that provide this kind of tissue have “no intention of fully recovering [their] costs, much less making a profit.”


World of hypotheticals not the law.


World of hypotheticals not the law.


World of hypotheticals not the law.


And yet all the facts turn to show that they arent... But if thats illegal, they are waiting on the charges... When is it gonna happen?



Again. All your proof you just cited here is literally in the world of hypotheticals.
Here is the law the edited video claims, and you are claiming they broke: U.S.C. Title 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE
Please point to where they broke it.

In the first video, Dr. Nucatola talks about changing the procedure so as to increase the likelihood of harvesting a particular organ such as a liver. Changing the procedure, in particular using ultrasound to change the fetal position from vertex to breech, is against the law. It is also one of the hallmarks of an illegal late-term abortion.
 
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Was this post a bad joke or something?

No it wasn't a joke at all. The "cartoon" pretty much depicted how pathetic some in society have become in categorizing their outrage. Black lives matter instead of all lives matter including the unborn. Lions matter over the unborn humans that have their lives cut short because someone doesn't want them.
 
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I just read an article that these organs from aborted babies are being transplanted in rodents in the test kitchens of some laboratories in hopes to be transplantable in other humans.

This brings up several moral issues over this process.

You take a baby the mother chose to abort. From there it is dissected for parts in which they are then transplanted into a rat so the organ can further mature then be transplanted into a human.

So what does the future hold? You are getting old and your kidneys start to fail. You are on Medicare. Are you entitled to one of these rat raised kidneys from a dead baby to keep you alive? And at what cost will this entail on Medicare for you to have this procedure done to add years to your life. Years to another life at the cost of an innocent life. Where this all going is very questionable.

I think this past week and all that was in the news is summed up quite well in the cartoon below.

some-lives-matter.jpg

Point taken...at least by me.
 
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No it wasn't a joke at all. The "cartoon" pretty much depicted how pathetic some in society have become.

The joke is that zygotes, embryos and fetuses are not considered life, so they don't matter. It's not a particularly funny joke especially considering that more black fetal tissue is harvested than white fetal tissue.

Commentary: Why Are Black Abortion Rates So High? | News | BET

BlackGenocide.org | Abortion and the Black Community

Abortion's Racial Gap - The Atlantic

Abortion Rates Highest Among Black Teens, Study Shows, But Accuracy May Be Hard To Measure

Margaret Sanger would be proud.
 
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The joke is that zygotes, embryos and fetuses are not considered life, so they don't matter. It's not a particularly funny joke especially considering that more black fetal tissue is harvested than white fetal tissue.

Commentary: Why Are Black Abortion Rates So High? | News | BET

BlackGenocide.org | Abortion and the Black Community

Abortion's Racial Gap - The Atlantic

Abortion Rates Highest Among Black Teens, Study Shows, But Accuracy May Be Hard To Measure

Margaret Sanger would be proud.

That is why those who speak of a developing human being have to sanitize their speech using terms like fetus or anything else to describe what they truly are. I was a teeny bopper in the 70's and what they were telling women then is a fetus is a blob of cells. Well technology has gotten better over the years and though these developing humans are small they are far from a blob of cells. They lied to many women back then.
 
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In the first video, Dr. Nucatola talks about changing the procedure so as to increase the likelihood of harvesting a particular organ such as a liver. Changing the procedure, in particular using ultrasound to change the fetal position from vertex to breech, is against the law. It is also one of the hallmarks of an illegal late-term abortion.

Please point to the law... Because converting to and from breech position is not illegal....
 
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In the first video, Dr. Nucatola talks about changing the procedure so as to increase the likelihood of harvesting a particular organ such as a liver. Changing the procedure, in particular using ultrasound to change the fetal position from vertex to breech, is against the law. It is also one of the hallmarks of an illegal late-term abortion.

I don't why you think changing the position of a dead fetus is againt the law.
Once the pregnancy was terminated it is my understanding how the fetus or the fetal tissue is removed is irrevelant.

Yes , Intact dilation and extraction of a live fetus is illegal.
But an intact removal of a dead fetus is not.
 
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That is why those who speak of a developing human being have to sanitize their speech using terms like fetus or anything else to describe what they truly are. I was a teeny bopper in the 70's and what they were telling women then is a fetus is a blob of cells. Well technology has gotten better over the years and though these developing humans are small they are far from a blob of cells. They lied to many women back then.

Yup. I have heard people argue that the mass of cells growing inside of a woman are tantamount to a tumor. A ****ing tumor!

Pregnancy is more and more being treated as a disease for which abortion is the cure.
 
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I don't why you think changing the position of a dead fetus is againt the law.

The fetus isn't dead before it's aborted.
 
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Once the pregnancy was terminated it is my understanding how the fetus or the fetal tissue is removed is irrevelant.

Yes , Intact dilation and extraction of a live fetus is illegal.
But an intact removal of a dead fetus is not.

How do they kill it before they re-position it and remove it?
 
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Yup. I have heard people argue that the mass of cells growing inside of a woman are tantamount to a tumor. A ****ing tumor!

Pregnancy is more and more being treated as a disease for which abortion is the cure.

Yep Blackwell, those who allow themselves to get pregnant even though there are countless means of birth control for all levels of income, then turn around and treat it like a tumor. It is disgusting to me on so many levels. First and foremost she doesn't seem to realize when she aborts she is killing a part of herself. Yet take a look at those who defend abortion and many of them are the same ones outraged over Cecil the Lion's demise. Or those who defend the Black Lives Matter mantra as if nothing else matters. It's insanity is what it is.
 
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Yep Blackwell, those who allow themselves to get pregnant even though there are countless means of birth control for all levels of income, then turn around and treat it like a tumor. It is disgusting to me on so many levels. First and foremost she doesn't seem to realize when she aborts she is killing a part of herself. Yet take a look at those who defend abortion and many of them are the same ones outraged over Cecil the Lion's demise. Or those who defend the Black Lives Matter mantra as if nothing else matters. It's insanity is what it is.

Anything for the cause.
 
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The fetus isn't dead before it's aborted.

Once the skull is crushed or the fatal injection was placed in the heart of the fetus and there is no fetal heartbeat the fetus is dead .
The law only says the procedure can't be changed for termination.
Nothing is said about how the fetus or fetal material is removed after the death of the fetus.
 
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Once the skull is crushed or the fatal injection was placed in the heart of the fetus and there is no fetal heartbeat the fetus is dead .
The law only says the procedure can't be changed for termination.
Nothing is said about how the fetus or fetal material is removed after the death of the fetus.

The entire reason it is killed in such a fashion is to abort it.
 
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The entire reason it is killed in such a fashion is to abort it.

Actually the skull is crushed in dismemberment abortion ( between 16 and up 20 weeks ) because the skull is too large by 16 weeks gestation to fit through the cervix without dilation meds.

The fatal injection is required by law at/after 20 weeks gestation but can be given before 20 weeks gestation.
Once the fetus is dead the bones and skull soften , meds are given to begin contractions , then sometimes the fetus is expelled intact. By turning the fetus into a breach position there is a better chance the fetus can be removed intact.
 
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You know, there weren't always laws against Ponzi schemes either. I don't know when the charges will come, if ever. But they should because even if PP is found "not guilty" of violating any specific existing laws...new laws will come from it. There is no reason the prices should be negotiable. None. Do you know how much it costs to procure a fetal heart or lung? Is it more expensive or less expensive to snag a kidney than it is an intact brain? Planned Parenthood doesn't know either, apparently. They just haggle for the best price they can get. It's morbidly absurd even if it's not technically illegal to haggle over the "reasonable costs" associated with harvesting fetal organs.

Do universities and research facilities haggle over the costs of bodies donated to medical research among adult donors?

Right wingers are the only people who describe a seller demanding a lower price and a seller trying to go higher as "haggling"
 
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In the first video, Dr. Nucatola talks about changing the procedure so as to increase the likelihood of harvesting a particular organ such as a liver. Changing the procedure, in particular using ultrasound to change the fetal position from vertex to breech, is against the law. It is also one of the hallmarks of an illegal late-term abortion.

That is a lie
If abortion is involved, the investigators may have no part in either the decision to abort or decisions about the timing or the method to be used; no change in the abortion procedure that would present more than minimal risk to the fetus or its mother can be introduced for research purposes.

IRB Guidebook: Chapter VI Special Classes of Subjects
 
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Right wingers are the only people who describe a seller demanding a lower price and a seller trying to go higher as "haggling"

I think you meant "buyer demanding a lower price" but that's not important. Right wingers are not the only people who haggle. Maybe left wingers prefer to call it contract negotiations but a rose by any other name would still smell just as sweet.

When there are laws on the books banning the sale of body parts for profit there should be no room for negotiation. The fact that negotiating the cost of providing body parts is not explicitly forbidden by law simply highlights what is commonly called a "loop hole".

Evil for profit corporations are evil for exploiting loop holes in tax law. Why does that standard of judgment not apply when non profits also exploit loop holes?
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

I just read an article that these organs from aborted babies are being transplanted in rodents in the test kitchens of some laboratories in hopes to be transplantable in other humans.

This brings up several moral issues over this process.

You take a baby the mother chose to abort. From there it is dissected for parts in which they are then transplanted into a rat so the organ can further mature then be transplanted into a human.

So what does the future hold? You are getting old and your kidneys start to fail. You are on Medicare. Are you entitled to one of these rat raised kidneys from a dead baby to keep you alive? And at what cost will this entail on Medicare for you to have this procedure done to add years to your life. Years to another life at the cost of an innocent life. Where this all going is very questionable.

I think this past week and all that was in the news is summed up quite well in the cartoon below.

I'd totally go for it and how is it at 'the cost of an innocent life' since the abortion was going to take place anyway, whether there was harvesting of the tissue/organs or not?
 
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When dealing with a child legally it doesn't matter if they want their organs donated or not when they die. My daughter for example told me about a year ago she did not want her organs donated, and while morally I should respect her wishes at her age legally nothing makes her decision of any importance, and it is entirely up to me what happens to her if she was to die. The question is why does it matter? In terms of consent the answer is by default always no, and since she would not be in need of assistance to keep her safe or healthy at that point nor old enough to make decision herself, would the answer then not be no? How can my parental rights dictate she must be an organ donor and how can the state determine her consent when they have already decided her opinion is of no importance? If we consider the unborn can not even provide consent nor is it frankly capable of it in the first place then the answer must also be no by default. If we further consider it was killed by the mother and in no other situation are killers provided domain over organ donation decisions for their victims the answer would remain no.

That's up to you and the law wont force you to do either, donation or not. If you choose to allow your minor that decision, fine.
 
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