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5th Planned Parenthood video: Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’[W:290]

Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Changing the procedure so as to effect a particular outcome is also illegal.

Death is still the intent of the initial procedure. The procedure changes nothing re: that.

IMO, I hope that they can adjust the guidelines for legal harvesting so that more useful material is available for research. And thus make it legal. Fingers crossed.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Changing the procedure so as to effect a particular outcome is also illegal.

No it's not.

The regulations explicitly state they can change the procedure.
 
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Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

No it's not.

The law explicitly states they can change the procedure.

You should read the law. It explicitly states that they WILL NOT change the procedure.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

In a highly edited video, it could mean a lot of things. Like someone who is describing a part of their job description and skills.... Because after-all, I would think a non-profit would like a diversified revenue stream.... Afterall it is a non-profit and relies on donoations, and grants to survive... Especially because following her comment of "diversification of the revenue stream", she essentially is talking about boring hiring practices, what actually brings in some $$ and what doesnt (oh yea she doesnt mention fetal tissue sales as a big $$$ producer), benefit packages for employees, and then goes into talking about where most stem cell research happens (in California) because of 3 major research facilities out there, and then talks about how she is frustrated her research and data isnt collected and shared among other researchers like the ones in California, and then she goes into how small Planned Parenthood is, and how she tries to share her research with all those involved in research PP nationally, and then the get into an argument about if Texas has a fetal tissue program. So yea. Pretty boring stuff.


Ummmmm from Gonzalez v Carhart
"As we have noted, the Act does not proscribe D&E....In addition the Act's prohibition only applies to the delivery of "a living fetus." 18 U. S. C. §1531(b)(1)(A) (2000 ed., Supp. IV). If the intact D&E procedure is truly necessary in some circumstances, it appears likely an injection that kills the fetus is an alternative under the Act that allows the doctor to perform the procedure." http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/550/124.html#sthash.KP2A9JYW.dpuf"..

I mean the circumstances where a D&E and when intact abortion using the D&E procedure is known as a IDX and that is what they talk about in much of the video when talking about "procedure", "when is it permitted to use such procedure", etc and they talk about it alot in the uncensored video and when putten in proper context and in an unedited way, its nothing really illegal... I mean you can see here http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PPGCtranscript04092015_final.pdf where is the guilt? The law breaking?

Oh yea they dont change the procedure or standards or whatever: "no alteration in the timing of the termination of the pregnancy, or the method used was made for obtaining the tissue... but we can't delay an abortion in order to get a later gestation. Of course, that's unethical or anything that's going to put her at risk in terms of "no alteration was made in terms of the timing of the termination or the method used." So if we're going to be doing a surgical procedure, the surgical procedure is going to be the same. We're not going to say hey, let's experiment with giving you, you know, whatever medication... So, you know, we can do it in a way that we're still verifying that everything is there for the safety of the patient, but then we maintain the integrity of that sample. So yeah, that's definitely something we can do. So as far as, this is our standard process"

Diversified revenue stream was in the context of fetal tissue sales as was the talk of changing abortion protocol in order to capture an intact fetus.
Neither are permitted.
You're dancing as fast as you can, that's obvious.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Don't forget B. About 5 or 6 pages have gone by with the links and statements that our Anti lifers know are sitting back there. Which then its the usual. Avoiding what was said.

But good news.....you know
that Restraining Order to prevent more videos
from coming out. That isn't working. Well, PP and the Demos will be losing that case going forward.



Federal court strikes down “ag-gag” law, protects undercover journalism.....

That brings us to the pro-life cause. In San Francisco, a federal judge has placed a prior restraint on exactly the same kind of speech. The Center for Medical Progress conducted undercover investigations into Planned Parenthood, StemExpress, and the National Abortion Federation (among others, possibly) that “exposed numerous shocking practices” that are apparently “industry standards.” Judge William Orrick issued a temporary restraining order blocking that speech largely on the basis of the non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) that CMP’s investigators signed to gain access to industry meetings and officials. However, most employers require new hires to sign an NDA, even those gaining employment in order to expose illegal or abusive practices. They’re generally meaningless when used in this manner, and more so when it comes to whistleblowing. Orrick is reaching on this TRO.

Since this decision came at the district court, it carries no formal precedential weight — yet. If the state chooses to appeal this ruling, and they will have to do so to continue enforcement of its ag-gag law, an appellate court will have the opportunity to establish a precedent by upholding this ruling, and it would be shocking if it did not. That would come in the same appellate district as California (9th), which means a precedent here would pertain to federal courts in San Francisco. The only question might be which case gets to the 9th Circuit first, but the outcome wouldn’t likely change in any case......snip~

Federal court strikes down ?ag-gag? law, protects undercover journalism « Hot Air

You mean the injunction issued by the Obama appointed campaign bundler Judge?
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

"Babies"? Or mostly aborted embryos and early stage fetuses?

So what's gonna happen to your body after death? Gonna be butchered up and parts spread from here to kingdom come...or go to waste?

Here we go folks.
Another "fetus as recyclable material" proponent.
Just as predicted.
This is what's left when the old excuses die ... the excuses died hard, but they're still dead ... and the excuses left nary a usable part to be recycled.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

I was never evasive about it.

When is waste a good thing, esp. when something good may come of it?

Your judgement looks ridculous...did you read what you wrote?

I was never evasive about it.

When is waste a good thing, esp. when something good may come of it?

Your judgement looks ridculous...did you read what you wrote?

Believe me, I hear ya and I know where you're coming from.
There should be more abortions to get more fetus tissue, gruesome as it is to most people, even though it's really not necessary anymore.
Got it.
But hey, when the usual excuses have dried up and blown away it's all that's left to save PP so you go with it despite the obvious analogy to reusing plastic water bottles.
Let's see how far you get with it.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Were any laws broken? If so where is the prosecution? Were any of the abortions illegal? If so where is the prosecution? Till then all we have is a bunch of ignorant people bitch and grasp at straws because they do not like abortion and PP.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

I've read the law. You are wrong.

Link?
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Were any laws broken? If so where is the prosecution? Were any of the abortions illegal? If so where is the prosecution? Till then all we have is a bunch of ignorant people bitch and grasp at straws because they do not like abortion and PP.

That's the next talking point. Because the democrats will fight to prevent prosecution then, by default, it's not illegal.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

What the **** is wrong with those defending the organ/tissue part of this debate? Can't you people just admit that this is wrong and that this will not affect abortion being legal?

Why do you think tissue donation is wrong?
Without tissue donations from legal abortions we would not have rubella , chicken pox, shingles, vaccinations.
We would not have shots to treat rabies.
We would not have the new Ebola drug that cured the American medical workers who contacted Ebola last year.
The Ebola drug testing is very promising for preventing Ebola in those exposed to Ebola and in curing an Ebola patient if given in the early stages of the disease.

We would not the HPV vaccine for a type of cervical cancer.
15 to 20 percent of all cancers are caused by a virus or bacteria.

We would not have the new malaria vaccine which is ready to be given in Africa this year.

Malaria is caused by a parasite not a virus so this is a very big medical breakthrough.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Fixed that for you. You're welcome.

I personally do not think anyone should change another persons quote.
Now anyone can copy the quote you changed as if it was the original quote.
That is akin to putting words in another persons mouth.

Just my honest opinion.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Medical experimentation without consent is always wrong, minnie.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

I personally do not think anyone should change another persons quote.

I didn't. I took his thought process to its logical conclusion.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

I like how they are referred to as "line items". Line items?

Sorry, but PP looks like a really reprehensible and pretty disgusting organization right now.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Were any laws broken? If so where is the prosecution? Were any of the abortions illegal? If so where is the prosecution? Till then all we have is a bunch of ignorant people bitch and grasp at straws because they do not like abortion and PP.

Maybe laws were broken, maybe not. Likely none of the abortions were illegal. This isn't about illegal abortions though. It's about Planned Parenthood's behavior. The prosecution may be coming.

Why are people who are concerned about PP's behavior "ignorant". Should something that may be an issue not be investigated because it makes you mad that it's being discussed?

I'm pro-choice because I don't really care much either way. I have my causes and this isn't one of them. I don't want to see Roe overturned. But I do think there's merit in at least investigating what PP is up to, and see if it's wise to stop funding them. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

That's the next talking point. Because the democrats will fight to prevent prosecution then, by default, it's not illegal.

We're watching the death of PP excuses in relatively slow motion ... like an edited video, if you will.
With every video release it's clearer PP was selling baby parts and often changing their protocols so the parts would be most valuable.
Both are no-nos.
A few minutes ago I was reading a piece by the old Lefty Katha Pollit in the NYT entitled "How to really defend Planned Parenthood"

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/how-to-really-defend-planned-parenthood.html?ref=opinion

In it she never really tries to defend the sales of baby parts (she denies the videos show it) ... no, she just launches into a long diatribe about the wonderfullness of abortion that she feels should be shouted from the rooftops.
So then what we now are left with is the Pollit defense, talk about how good abortions are, or, reductively, what seems to be getting floated as a talking point, look at all the good that comes from aborted babies.
That amounts to the suggestion to ignore what your own eyes and ears can see and hear.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

I didn't. I took his thought process to its logical conclusion.

I guess I better reread the DP rules and see if we can take other poster 's thought process and put the logical conclusion in their quotes.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

You mean the injunction issued by the Obama appointed campaign bundler Judge?

He was the one that issued the Restraining Order in California, Right?

Did you see how many other Governors were now calling for investigations into PP? They really opened up a hornets nest with this one, huh?
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

Diversified revenue stream was in the context of fetal tissue sales as was the talk of changing abortion protocol in order to capture an intact fetus.
No it wasnt Read the transcript here: http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PPGCtranscript04092015_final.pdf
The comment was made following the "buyer" talking to Melissa Farrell ("PP") about work history and how long she has been with "PP" (which is 9 years), and then she goes into her background.

Neither are permitted.
Again repeating the same thing over and over again when given full unedited direct quotes that contradict what your claiming...
"Oh yea they dont change the procedure or standards or whatever: "no alteration in the timing of the termination of the pregnancy, or the method used was made for obtaining the tissue... but we can't delay an abortion in order to get a later gestation. Of course, that's unethical or anything that's going to put her at risk in terms of "no alteration was made in terms of the timing of the termination or the method used." So if we're going to be doing a surgical procedure, the surgical procedure is going to be the same. We're not going to say hey, let's experiment with giving you, you know, whatever medication... So, you know, we can do it in a way that we're still verifying that everything is there for the safety of the patient, but then we maintain the integrity of that sample. So yeah, that's definitely something we can do. So as far as, this is our standard process"

You're dancing as fast as you can, that's obvious.
No. Im literally using the the words that were said in the interview... Not the edited interview... The UNEDITED interview.. Dont believe me? Here.. .Go ahead read it: http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PPGCtranscript04092015_final.pdf
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

That's the next talking point. Because the democrats will fight to prevent prosecution then, by default, it's not illegal.
Bull crap. Let me know when you have facts.
 
Re: 5th Planned Parenthood video out; Now discussing ‘selling whole bodies of babies’

We're watching the death of PP excuses in relatively slow motion ... like an edited video, if you will.
With every video release it's clearer PP was selling baby parts and often changing their protocols so the parts would be most valuable.
Both are no-nos.
A few minutes ago I was reading a piece by the old Lefty Katha Pollit in the NYT entitled "How to really defend Planned Parenthood"

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/how-to-really-defend-planned-parenthood.html?ref=opinion

In it she never really tries to defend the sales of baby parts (she denies the videos show it) ... no, she just launches into a long diatribe about the wonderfullness of abortion that she feels should be shouted from the rooftops.
So then what we now are left with is the Pollit defense, talk about how good abortions are, or, reductively, what seems to be getting floated as a talking point, look at all the good that comes from aborted babies.
That amounts to the suggestion to ignore what your own eyes and ears can see and hear.

This video now also has one of their research people telling on herself. Doesn't get any better than that. Or does it? < (said with a questioning look.)
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