5th Circuit rules planned parenthood may be defunded, and also that they’re liars

[prometeus]

Good. I hope texas crushes it! Planned parenthood is a murderous organization and every single one of their doctors and their techs and their staff should be put on death row for their crimes against humanity.

You should hold your breath.

 

[minnie616]

No, this is not the case. Also there is not “their morality” “your morality” “my morality” etc there is only morality


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Many religions regard the woman as moral agent.

Soul competency is a very important religious tenet that is held by many main line Christian religions.

Many Christian faiths and other religious groups hold beliefs that reproductive choice including access to legal abortion is a part of our religious tenet.

We believe that "Each person and each community of believers has the right to follow the dictates of their conscience, without compulsion from authoritative structures. "

Here is a <SNIP> from an article about soul competency.

From a Huffington Post article:

Our faith tradition teaches soul competency, a Baptist principle that is violated in restricting the right to choose an abortion.
Our forebears suffered greatly, even to the point of death, to express their conviction that no one stands between the individual and God.

Furthermore, it is a it is God-given right to hold your own belief and to reject state-sponsored religion.

This is the core Baptist principle of soul competency -- belief in the ability of each person to "rightly divide the word of God" (2 Timothy 2: 15) and act accordingly. Each person and each community of believers has the right to follow the dictates of their conscience, without compulsion from authoritative structures.

Therefore, current legislation restricting women's reproductive choice also restricts moral choice.

To restrict a woman's choice is to refuse her soul freedom.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/donn...n_b_4360767.html?&ec_carp=3543276219884114808

Reproductive choices including elective abortions are a moral choice.

From the RCRC

RCRC is unique in the reproductive health, rights and justice movements, because it draws on the moral power of diverse religious communities.

RCRC has proud roots in the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion, the underground network of religious leaders created before Roe v. Wade. These brave people of conscience took risks to ensure that women could have the spiritual counseling they needed, and, if they chose, referral to a safe abortion provider.

Our Religious Beliefs Drive Our Advocacy Positions

Each woman’s complex and personal choices

Our religious principles: Compassion for the complex choices each individual may confront and the impact of these choices on families.

Our advocacy position: The decisions to become a parent, when and under what circumstances are deeply personal. These matters are best left to a woman to discern for herself in consultation with her family, her faith and others she may bring into the conversation.

The Moral Case – Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

 

[Fishking]

Transition: you STILL cant support the factually wrong claim you got caught posting and are desperately deflecting LMAO
Please let us know when you can support your topical ignorance and false claim with facts that make it true . . thanks

who bets my request is dodged and ran from again?

There's nothing to run away from. You think you're right, but you're not.

 

[AGENT J]

There's nothing to run away from. You think you're right, but you're not.

aaaaaaand more dodging and running LMAO
"im" not right, it has nothing to do with "me"
your statement was factually wrong and it was topically and monumentally uneducated . . disagree? . . then by all means good sir support YOUR claim (which is your duty), teach me a lesson and prove it true, i bet you cant and wont!
and if you try i will further destroy yours lies at every turn with facts since you have ZERO

just in case you forget false claim you made here it is:

I don't characterize a 100% natural bodily function as harm.

Please prove natural bodily function is not harm in your next post, we'll be waiting, thanks!!


I can almost here you running away already . . who bets my request is ran from again for all to see!

 

[CaughtInThe]

PP helps a ton of women with health problems. yet another group of people that republicans are alienating.

and it's funny that they think that group votes 100% democrat.

 

[AGENT J]

PP helps a ton of women with health problems. yet another group of people that republicans are alienating.

and it's funny that they think that group votes 100% democrat.

well you sorta just did the same thing . . its not "republicans", millions of republicans are fine with womans rights
the people involved in the witch hunt against PP are extremists and or nutters and they certainly arent all republicans

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Many religions regard the woman as moral agent.

Soul competency is a very important religious tenet that is held by many main line Christian religions.

Many Christian faiths and other religious groups hold beliefs that reproductive choice including access to legal abortion is a part of our religious tenet.

We believe that "Each person and each community of believers has the right to follow the dictates of their conscience, without compulsion from authoritative structures. "

Here is a <SNIP> from an article about soul competency.

From a Huffington Post article:



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/donn...n_b_4360767.html?&ec_carp=3543276219884114808

Reproductive choices including elective abortions are a moral choice.

From the RCRC



The Moral Case – Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice

So you linked me a fringe group which is a pro-abortion network of heretics.

I perused this website, after five minutes of no scripture and 100% NARAL matching positions and a total lack of arguments not obviously written by NARAL I left. These people are heretics and false teachers, the Bible says directly in 2nd Corinthians
“
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.”

Any Christian religious leaders are not Christians in this group, they are secular heretics, they are lower then the most depraved of criminals




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[EMNofSeattle]

Of course it is.

And no doubt as defined by you.

No, in fact I have contributed nothing to the development of morality and moral philosophy, I need merely to accept it.

You cannot have a society where morality is determined separately by every individual, that is asking for destruction.


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[EMNofSeattle]

HOLY BAT **** DISHONEST HYPERBOLE!!!!:lamo

This is one of the most dishonest statements I have ever read at DP LMAO

You mean like they were caught on camera selling body parts? That they’ve been caught falsifying charts where minors were sexually assaulted to circumvent mandatory reporting laws? Where they’ve been caught reusing medical equipment without sterilization? Where they’re currently being sued for discrimination against pregnant employees? What exactly is the dishonesty here?


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[AGENT J]

You mean like they were caught on camera selling body parts? That they’ve been caught falsifying charts where minors were sexually assaulted to circumvent mandatory reporting laws? Where they’ve been caught reusing medical equipment without sterilization? Where they’re currently being sued for discrimination against pregnant employees? What exactly is the dishonesty here?


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LMAO wow nice try and a dodge and deflection buuuuuut it wont work . . ill never understand why people that make dishonest posts think stuff like this works :lamo
I very clearly quotes the dishonest statement you made, its VERY telling you cant address it and are trying desperate deflections and strawmen

 

[EMNofSeattle]

LMAO wow nice try and a dodge and deflection buuuuuut it wont work . . ill never understand why people that make dishonest posts think stuff like this works :lamo
I very clearly quotes the dishonest statement you made, its VERY telling you cant address it and are trying desperate deflections and strawmen

*sigh*

You’re no fun, I wish you knew how to construct an argument


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[AGENT J]

No, in fact I have contributed nothing to the development of morality and moral philosophy, I need merely to accept it.

You cannot have a society where morality is determined separately by every individual, that is asking for destruction.


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By definition thats how morals work. Morals are subjective and theres nothing you can do to change that fact :shrug:

 

[AGENT J]

*sigh*

You’re no fun, I wish you knew how to construct an argument


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Translation: you still cant defend your exposed claim LMAO thats what I thought! I understand how thats no fun for you.
Theres a simple solution though, in the future dont make statements you cant supports and they wont be so easily exposed and your problem will be fixed. Otherwise posters are going to continue pointing out the nonsense you post.

 

[prometeus]

No, in fact I have contributed nothing to the development of morality and moral philosophy, I need merely to accept it.

You cannot have a society where morality is determined separately by every individual, that is asking for destruction.

Yet this society does not find abortion immoral, only certain members of it who lack both knowledge and integrity.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Yet this society does not find abortion immoral, only certain members of it who lack both knowledge and integrity.

Actually I think a great portion of society does which is why pro-life candidates are fairly successful electorally and why SCOTUS had to basically launch a coup against the nation’s legislators to legalize it in the first place. Even people who agree abortion should be legal have to use euphemisms and lie to themselves to believe its right.


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[<alt>doxygen]

Here's the problem. My wife went to PP for a couple few years while in college and after. Never got an abortion. Abortions are a tiny portion of their operation. You're going to be punitive to all the good they do...because sometimes, they perform abortions.

My wife needed their services when she was in college. Not for abortion.

 

[prometeus]

Actually I think a great portion of society does

But MOST by far does not.

 

[Fishking]

aaaaaaand more dodging and running LMAO
"im" not right, it has nothing to do with "me"
your statement was factually wrong and it was topically and monumentally uneducated . . disagree? . . then by all means good sir support YOUR claim (which is your duty), teach me a lesson and prove it true, i bet you cant and wont!
and if you try i will further destroy yours lies at every turn with facts since you have ZERO

just in case you forget false claim you made here it is:


Please prove natural bodily function is not harm in your next post, we'll be waiting, thanks!!


I can almost here you running away already . . who bets my request is ran from again for all to see!

The funniest thing about your posting is that you think you're being clever. How sad.

 

[AGENT J]

The funniest thing about your posting is that you think you're being clever. How sad.

LMAO just like i said more running and dodging but NOTHING that supports the lie you got caught posting. This is awesome! I love owning your posts over and over again.

Here we are in the same spot . . . .Please prove natural bodily function is not harm in your next post, we'll be waiting, thanks!!
opcorn2:

 

[minnie616]

So you linked me a fringe group which is a pro-abortion network of heretics.
.....

You did not do your research very well. In fact the RCRC is made up of over 30 religions and religious groups.

Christian Religious leaders are members of the RCRC.

A list of religions and religious groups who are members of the RCRC

Member organizations Edit
Coalition Council Members:[5]

Rabbinical Assembly
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Women's League for Conservative Judaism
The Episcopal Church
American Ethical Union National Service Conference
Society for Humanistic Judaism
Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO) of the Presbyterian Church (USA)
Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
Central Conference of American Rabbis
North American Federation of Temple Youth
Women of Reform Judaism, The Federation of Temple Sisterhoods
Women's Rabbinic Network of Central Conference of American Rabbis
The United Church of Christ
Unitarian Universalist Association
Unitarian Universalist Women's Federation website
Young Religious Unitarian Universalists
Continental Unitarian Universalist Young Adult Network
American Jewish Committee
American Jewish Congress
Anti-Defamation League
Catholics for Choice
Christian Lesbians Out (CLOUT)
Church of the Brethren Women's Caucus
Disciples for Choice
Episcopal Urban Caucus
Episcopal Women's Caucus
Hadassah, WZOA
Jewish Women International
Lutheran Women's Caucus
Methodist Federation for Social Action
NA'AMAT USA
National Council of Jewish Women
Women's American ORT
YWCA of the USA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Coalition_for_Reproductive_Choice



The RCRC also supported and fought to get prescription birth control covered by health insurance and that was added to ACA when the ACA was passed.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You did not do your research very well. In fact the RCRC is made up of over 30 religions and religious groups.

Christian Religious leaders are members of the RCRC.



The RCRC also supported and fought to get prescription birth control covered by health insurance and that was added to ACA when the ACA was passed.

Representing like 30 people I’m sure.

It’s purely there to add a white Collared face to throw people off. None of their arguments are based in scripture, they have open hostility to Christians (in one blog post there is an open attack on the Catholic Church, the largest single Christian domination in the world) half of their “clergy” are women, when the Bible explicitly states women are not to lead congregations, I found the director “reverend” Cari Jackson and her website, total SJW, never once mentions the name of Jesus or any scripture. These are not faithful religious people, they’re liberals putting on an act. These are not real Christians, and yes it is completely biblical to judge people by their works and opinions.

There are ZERO Christian religious leaders in this group, anyone who is cannot be a Christian leader, they are instead a heretic or false prophet and until they repent they may not be considered a Christian in any meaningful sense



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[AGENT J]

Representing like 30 people I’m sure.

It’s purely there to add a white Collared face to throw people off. None of their arguments are based in scripture, they have open hostility to Christians (in one blog post there is an open attack on the Catholic Church, the largest single Christian domination in the world) half of their “clergy” are women, when the Bible explicitly states women are not to lead congregations, I found the director “reverend” Cari Jackson and her website, total SJW, never once mentions the name of Jesus or any scripture. These are not faithful religious people, they’re liberals putting on an act. These are not real Christians, and yes it is completely biblical to judge people by their works and opinions.

There are ZERO Christian religious leaders in this group, anyone who is cannot be a Christian leader, they are instead a heretic or false prophet and until they repent they may not be considered a Christian in any meaningful sense



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LMAO hey look another factual lie . . you just keep exposing your failed posts more and more. WOW your failed and factually wrong posts keep getting worse and worse . .
You have ZERO power to judge another and say if they are christian or not. None of us on this planet do . . disagree prove otherwise oh thats right . . you cant
opcorn2:

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You did not do your research very well. In fact the RCRC is made up of over 30 religions and religious groups.

Christian Religious leaders are members of the RCRC.

A list of religions and religious groups who are members of the RCRC

Member organizationsEdit
Coalition Council Members:[5]

Rabbinical Assembly
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Women's League for Conservative Judaism
The Episcopal Church
American Ethical Union National Service Conference
Society for Humanistic Judaism
Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO) of the Presbyterian Church (USA)
Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
Central Conference of American Rabbis
North American Federation of Temple Youth
Women of Reform Judaism, The Federation of Temple Sisterhoods
Women's Rabbinic Network of Central Conference of American Rabbis
The United Church of Christ
Unitarian Universalist Association
Unitarian Universalist Women's Federation website
Young Religious Unitarian Universalists
Continental Unitarian Universalist Young Adult Network
American Jewish Committee
American Jewish Congress
Anti-Defamation League
Catholics for Choice
Christian Lesbians Out (CLOUT)
Church of the Brethren Women's Caucus
Disciples for Choice
Episcopal Urban Caucus
Episcopal Women's Caucus
Hadassah, WZOA
Jewish Women International
Lutheran Women's Caucus
Methodist Federation for Social Action
NA'AMAT USA
National Council of Jewish Women
Women's American ORT
YWCA of the USA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Coalition_for_Reproductive_Choice



The RCRC also supported and fought to get prescription birth control covered by health insurance and that was added to ACA when the ACA was passed.

I can also tell you for a fact that “Catholics for Choice” is not a group of Catholics, a small handful of catholic clergy who initially joined were purged, the Bishops in the US, Canada, and Mexico have unequivocally denounced this group, it is rejected by all catholic scholars and theologians. The Mainline churches supporting this group have imploded on themselves, the Episcopal Church literally is ordaining Atheists as clergy and is in the middle of legal battles with many of their congregations who wish to secede due to the Church’s heresy on same sex marriage, abortion, and women clergy. The episcopals have become a real estate holding company and their members have bled out to become atheists (the former cultural Christians) or to join evangelical Protestant churches that at least teach actual scripture. This is so pathetic


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[AGENT J]

I can also tell you for a fact that “Catholics for Choice” is not a group of Catholics, a small handful of catholic clergy who initially joined were purged, the Bishops in the US, Canada, and Mexico have unequivocally denounced this group, it is rejected by all catholic scholars and theologians. The Mainline churches supporting this group have imploded on themselves, the Episcopal Church literally is ordaining Atheists as clergy and is in the middle of legal battles with many of their congregations who wish to secede due to the Church’s heresy on same sex marriage, abortion, and women clergy. The episcopals have become a real estate holding company and their members have bled out to become atheists (the former cultural Christians) or to join evangelical Protestant churches that at least teach actual scripture. This is so pathetic


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I love that you keep proving that you have ZERO clue what the word "fact" means . . . man this is great . . please keep posting this entertainment!!!

 

[EMNofSeattle]

I love that you keep proving that you have ZERO clue what the word "fact" means . . . man this is great . . please keep posting this entertainment!!!

You’re not making an argument. Your words are wasted effort. It conveys no central idea.


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