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52 reasons to leave the eu!

After reading the first reason, I didn't read any. The EU is too under-controlled. Its government is not the problem. The fact that the members of the EU will never have a united front is the problem. Look how slow the EU was to bail Greece, and then you see some serious problems.
 
UNDER-controlled?!


Blimey! The fact there is no 'united front' is because people and governments are so diverse. The nations and cultures of Europe were so firmly rooted by 1957 that only Communist-style oppression can force the oil to mix with the water.


Put it this way - how oppressive would the measures have to be to force the three main political parties here to become the automatons you think the EU people should be?
 

How about the UK loophole then? Its about 13% of GDP, the budget deficit.
The EU is the only state in the west that doesnt run a deficit.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
How about the UK loophole then? Its about 13% of GDP, the budget deficit.
The EU is the only state in the west that doesnt run a deficit.
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Firstly, the EU isn't a state. Pipe dreams and realities - there is a very clear line that separates the two.
Lastly, love how you excluded the UK from this "EU state" you talk of. Whatever suits you, eh?

We hate the fact we are in the EU as much as you do. But we are in it nonetheless.
 
Was planned though. Different states have wanted them, though a common EU-'compatible' ID card would be to them as preferable as the driving licences. However, public uproar delayed it, regardless of the waffle about national security the politicos use.


Google:

National identity card (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia, the free ...
During the UK Presidency of the EU in 2005 a decision was made to "agree common standards for security features and secure issuing procedures for ID cards ...
en.wikipedia.org/.../National_identity_card_(United_Kingdom) - Cached - Similar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_card_(United_Kingdom)



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061761/British-identity-cards-covered-EU-symb'ols.html


'EUCCP' citizens turned into manageable units of the Superstate: http://www.idcardandyou.co.uk/europe.html
 
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Goodness. What is it with people hating people because they wish to make their lot easier and better for themselves.

EU is a good thing. A lot of people are sacrificing a lot so that more can prosper.

I suspect it wouldn't have anything to do with some people not in the EU not wanting the competition of a unified Europe that is powerful and prospering.
 
Pssh. Euro-crazies can't hold a candle to American crazies.
 
Simba said:
I suspect it wouldn't have anything to do with some people not in the EU not wanting the competition of a unified Europe that is powerful and prospering.
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We were never asked, barring the misleading 1975 referendum which merely asked us to remain inside the EEC, sold to the people as a Common Market.

We were never consulted about a vast prime tier of government which we can't leave without being put through hell on Earth, unable to legislate in a way 'offensive' to our new masters, we have to take the huge draining of money with diminishing hope of rebate on surplus, have to suffer the gradual imposition of rubbish like a replacement flag and army and national anthem, you name it.

There's no reason why we can't have the original group of intimate sovereign European nations trading with one another and the world for mutual benefit, as the politicians used to always say. All this crap like Common Purpose and a special EU president and foreign policy, etc, is just not needed.
 

The EU is under constant attack from free market fundamentalists who hate the thought of something superior to deregulation and devaluation in the free market.

Ask all the victims of corporate deregulation who died horrible deaths due to lack of standard and care, so to suit corporate profit and greed on the deaths of tens and hundreds of thousands of people. Now that is the wrong way to go.

Drinking corporate poisoned water and breating corporate poisoned air to have a few extra dollars is not my thought of a good society.
 
It was the corporates who sank the Titanic as well.

(The chairman of the board said 'Let's have more speed', and the Captain said 'Alright then mate'.)

Just look what they've done: http://www.webtek.no/titanic/Images/titanic6.jpg. Good job we've got the EU to see that'll never happen again!



...And with Cameron in there'll be more of the same I tell ya!
 
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