Also, a village isnt an ENTIRE NATION.
So can someone explain me why everywhere the laws are passed with a majority, while when it's about Europe people start calling the very same process "hitlerian", "authoritarian" etc....?
And is it democratic that a country of 500,000 inhabitants can veto a decision approved by 350 millions of people?
it's another scale but it's the same principle. In the USA, Arkansas does not have a veto right.
And it's a bit surprising you are the one "defending the right of the small nations to be heard" while two days ago you were furious about your president coming from an "insignificant nonentity"
Its different in a nation. The same laws dont apply when the person setting the rules arent the peoples government in the first place.
How is it democratic that a foriegn power rules over a historically and culturally distinct people .. and therefore allow smaller nations to succumb to the will of the bigger powers rather than the EU as a whole? Why should only France, UK and Germany be allowed to say what direction the union takes in a 27 nation bloc union. Get real bub!
Its different in a nation. The same laws dont apply when the person setting the rules arent the peoples government in the first place.
How is it democratic that a foriegn power rules over a historically and culturally distinct people and are allowed to eradicate (forget the numbers here) an entire nations voice in favour of the bigger powers and therefore allow smaller nations to succumb to the will of the bigger powers rather than the EU as a whole? Why should only France, UK and Germany be allowed to say what direction the union takes in a 27 nation bloc union. Get real bub!
America is a relatively new Republic and was and always will be one peoples: the remnants of the BRITISH colony. Europe are a linguistically, culturally and even ethnically distinct peoples, same rules dont apply. Thats why i support their federation.
That was Laila not me. And he is not my President.
The EU institutions are also your government.
1) It's not a foreign power, they are elected by us and come from our countries. It's the same as what happens in UK but in another scale: Blair is English and also rules over Scotland or Wales.
2) France, UK and Germany can't impose a decision over the small countries. The votes are not totally proportional to the population for this reason. For example, Belgium gets something like 10 votes and Germany 25.
We're distinct, that's why we're gonna be a federation and not a single superstate. Switzerland, Belgium etc...are federations because they have ethnic, cultural and linguistic diversity.
You're British, so he's your president
No they are not our government
, they are a form of power who have been expanded beyond what they should be. So, you made the Lisbon treaty when the people rejected the constitution so as to avoid a referendum and take away our soviergn against our will, and mold the EU into an authoritarian, massive centralized government and make out it was accepted by "the people" when in reality the Europeans didnt even WANT your constitution yet you say its what the people of Europe want.
But all of the treaties that created the Union was put to popular vote, the Lisbon treaty trojan horse exploited a legal loop hole and stopped us from voting. Also, the people we elected to represent us have very little sway in the outcome of the decisions by the EU parliament if the bigger powers vote otherwise.
They dont even have veto power so what Germany and France wants, the rest of us get. Its not a European Union, its a German and French union we have been forced to follow; at the expense of the erradication of the voice of the smaller member states. Because of course, they are insignificant.
The EU institutions are also your government.
1) It's not a foreign power, they are elected by us and come from our countries. It's the same as what happens in UK but in another scale: Blair is English and also rules over Scotland or Wales.
The reason we are so distinct is why you will never federate us.
I dont submit myself to his Authotarian leadership, so he is not my President. You can have the ugly bastard
Are you in the EU yes or not?
Was the Lisbon treaty ratified yes or not?
Who accepted the treaties? Dictators?
You should read my posts carefully
Explain me how an Italian is so distinct from a German that a federation is impossible, while they (Germans and Italians) have been in a Swiss federation for centuries.
I'm affraid you don't have a veto right about Van Rompuy being your president.
For most people it doesn't feel like our government because the EU is too big, too distant and far from the grassroots. Further away than Westminster, which is at least in the same realm.
How many people know who their MEPs are? Other than the ones who have Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons, not too many know and few people care. For most people the EU is a whole unnecessary level of government. Why, they say, do we need busybodies in the EC, political losers in their own right like Kinnock or Patten, to make our laws when Westminster and Whitehall would do?
Firstly, the rejection in Europe of the constitution is evidence that even Europeans dont want this federation.
Secondly, good luck getting Italians to succumb to German/French rule. No historically distinct or culturally distinct people will accept to be ruled by a foriegn power, end of. Never before, not today.
Its ok. Its not a beauty contest, so your President can stay.
"Realist" to the point of not even realizing that they're part of the EU?Im in a nation full of Euro Realists if that helps.
You mean by the people who wanted a referendum on it? No.
I've never heard about Brits saying they were not a democracySort of yes. Politicians who pressed the mute button on their citizens.
Its irrelevant. If the top powers agree on something, and say Belgium doesnt want it, they cant veto it. So they have no choice. Their country will change and the direction it takes as a result will be at the expense of the EU and the say of FORIEGN POWERS and not what the people want, or its own government even.
The majority seems to agree, since they elect politicians who agree with the treaties.
I don't understand why you talk about "German rule" or "French rule". Germany and France have a fair level of influence in the EU, just as UK or all the other countries. I think that the new voting system under the Lisbon treaty is that a law needs 55% of the votes to pass, and that theses 55% represent at least 65% of the European population.
"Realist" to the point of not even realizing that they're part of the EU?
I meant by politicians elected by the Brits, so I guess the answer is yes
I've never heard about Brits saying they were not a democracy
That's how democracy has always worked, everywhere
Most of which Germany, France and the UK make up.
France = 65Mo
Germany = 82Mo
UK = 60Mo
that's 200 millions, which is 40% of the EU population.
So even if they agreed on something, they'd still need around 125 millions of people to pass something. That's about 10 or 15 small countries
that means the same, "everyone is heard" = "consensus" and "80%" = "most of the times"
For most people it doesn't feel like our government because the EU is too big, too distant and far from the grassroots. Further away than Westminster, which is at least in the same realm.
The majority seems to agree, since they elect politicians who agree with the treaties.
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