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5 minutes that destroys the official version[W:228]

BmanMcfly said:
Oh ya? What post has all the sources you claim showing all the lies and the correction to those lies? I must have missed it, or already shown it was bunk.
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A flight attendant on Flight 11, a passenger on Flight 175, and passengers on Flight 93 said the hijackers had bombs, but one of the passengers said he thought the bombs were fake.

Not my opinion.....

Facts.

But, you ignored.

You tend to ignore a lot.

BTW - where have i been dishonest?

BmanMcFly,,

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters (where is this in the "official story"?) directed by a man on dialysis (where is this in the "official story"?) in a cave fortress (where is this in the "official story"?) halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed (where is this in the "official story"?) the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour (where is this in the "official story"?) without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, (where is this in the "official story"?) while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna (where is this in the "official story"?) was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn(where is this in the "official story"?) to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars(where is this in the "official story"?) that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Are you still claiming the video is an accurate represetation of "the official story"?
 
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Fledermaus said:
9 11 Bin Laden At Rawalpindi Hospital September 10th

Strange looking CAVE, eh?
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Good point, Fledermaus. However it is really irrelevant exactly where Bin Laden was on 9/11 or what exactly he was doing then because he had set the plans in motion years before. There was no Bin Laden screaming orders into his operatives' ears through earpieces on 9/11, as appears to be the conclusion of these so-called "truthers"
 
dmvpolitical said:
Good point, Fledermaus. However it is really irrelevant exactly where Bin Laden was on 9/11 or what exactly he was doing then because he had set the plans in motion years before. There was no Bin Laden screaming orders into his operatives' ears through earpieces on 9/11, as appears to be the conclusion of these so-called "truthers"
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Oh, I understand... Operation control was Atta. He had his marching orders long before....

What would OBL do? Order them to order tickets?
 
BmanMcfly said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUj2905unnw
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Yes, I am well aware this is the mainstream media (remember, they are in on it) report that probably ignited all the OBL on dialysis rumors.

The CBS report says OBL allegedly went into the military hospital at Rawalpindi on 9/10/2001 according to of course -unnamed sources. Other unnamed sources not surprisingly disagree including people who work at Rawalpindi Hospital and the Pakistani government.

Doctors at the hospital told CBS News there was nothing special about that night, but they refused our request to see any records. Government officials tonight denied that bin Laden had any medical treatment on that night.
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Which unnamed source with no corroborating evidence do you prefer? Remember, Osama bin Laden himself, in a November 2001 interview with a Pakistani newspaper, denied reports he had been hospitalized in Dubai for kidney treatment and said "My kidneys are all right."

If the report is true it is irrelevant as by that time there was nothing left for OBL to do re: 9/11 but sit back with a bowl of popcorn. But we don't know if the report is true. There is no credible evidence one way or the other. OBL sightings are like Elvis sightings, particularly around that time period. Again, there is zero credible evidence OBL was on dialysis (and certainly not in a cave) while he plotted 9/11 and the CBS report does not move that needle one bit.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/jan/3/20060103-093215-2153r/?page=all

Which gets us back to our as yet un-answered yes/no questions. Would you like me to repeat them?
 
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Fledermaus said:
Oh, I understand... Operation control was Atta. He had his marching orders long before....

What would OBL do? Order them to order tickets?
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Yes, Atta spearheaded the effort in America..however Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the real mastermind behind the attacks.
 
dmvpolitical said:
Yes, Atta spearheaded the effort in America..however Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the real mastermind behind the attacks.
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Let's see your proof that for over a decade the government, military, etc.. Were wrong or lying to us about bin laden being the mastermind.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Let's see your proof that for over a decade the government, military, etc.. Were wrong or lying to us about bin laden being the mastermind.
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BmanMcFly,,

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters (where is this in the "official story"?) directed by a man on dialysis (where is this in the "official story"?) in a cave fortress (where is this in the "official story"?) halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed (where is this in the "official story"?) the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour (where is this in the "official story"?) without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, (where is this in the "official story"?) while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna (where is this in the "official story"?) was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn(where is this in the "official story"?) to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars(where is this in the "official story"?) that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Are you still claiming the video is an accurate represetation of "the official story"?
 
Re: 5 minutes that destroys the official version

BmanMcfly said:
Even hillary Clinton admitted that as fact... But what does she know.
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That was taken out of context and interpreted at a very superficial level. You should know that by now. No, the idea that al Qaeda is an agency of the CIA is incorrect, and although you may not remember, we've been over this before and you couldn't demonstrate your belief, so I don't really think anything has changed since then, but let's not derail this thread and if you open a thread on it, I'll be there.
 
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Re: 5 minutes that destroys the official version

NWO_Spook said:
That was taken out of context and interpreted at a very superficial level. You should know that by now. No, the idea that al Qaeda is an agency of the CIA is incorrect, and although you may not remember, we've been over this before and you couldn't demonstrate your belief, so I don't really think anything has changed since then, but let's not derail this thread and if you open a thread on it, I'll be there.
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Tell me, what was the proper context.? Don't worry about derailing, the debunkers have failed on every point so far, and I don't expect anything meaningful to get raised at this point anyway.

Not an agency... A tool. An asset. Kinda like, if you threw a beehive into someone's house, you don't control the bees, but you did piss them off and sent them in the direction you wanted them to go.
 
Fledermaus said:
BmanMcFly,,

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters (where is this in the "official story"?) directed by a man on dialysis (where is this in the "official story"?) in a cave fortress (where is this in the "official story"?) halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed (where is this in the "official story"?) the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour (where is this in the "official story"?) without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, (where is this in the "official story"?) while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna (where is this in the "official story"?) was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn(where is this in the "official story"?) to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars(where is this in the "official story"?) that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Are you still claiming the video is an accurate represetation of "the official story"?
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At the very least this post proves that you don't even know the fairy tale you've been pushing...
 
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NWO_Spook said:
Yes, I'm not falling for that obvious misrepresentation either.
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Lets see....

1993 Bombing. Bman claims the FBI gave the explosives to the terrorists. - Refers to an interview that DOES NOT show that.

Gulf of Tonkin. Claims false flag is ordered by POTUS. Refers to transcript that DOES NOT order the "false flag".

Al Qaeda. Claims Al Qaeda created by the US. Refers to an interview that discusses people who ARE NOT Al Qaeda...

Seems to be a trend.
 
Re: 5 minutes that destroys the official version

BmanMcfly said:
Tell me, what was the proper context.? Don't worry about derailing, the debunkers have failed on every point so far, and I don't expect anything meaningful to get raised at this point anyway.
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OMG. There was nothing meaningful in the OP. All right...post the interview and let's go through the context.

Not an agency... A tool. An asset. Kinda like, if you threw a beehive into someone's house, you don't control the bees, but you did piss them off and sent them in the direction you wanted them to go.
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I'm sorry, I'm not aware of the finer points of your belief system. Ok, an asset, whatever, everything I said still applies.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
At the very least this post proves that you don't even know the fairy tale you've been pushing...
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Nonsense....

On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters (where is this in the "official story"?) directed by a man on dialysis (where is this in the "official story"?) in a cave fortress (where is this in the "official story"?) halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed (where is this in the "official story"?) the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour (where is this in the "official story"?) without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, (where is this in the "official story"?) while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna (where is this in the "official story"?) was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn(where is this in the "official story"?) to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars(where is this in the "official story"?) that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Are you still claiming the video is an accurate representation of "the official story"?

YES OR NO

(CLUE: If you say yes then that suggests it is YOU that does not understand what you call the "official story")
 
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Fledermaus said:
Lets see....

1993 Bombing. Bman claims the FBI gave the explosives to the terrorists. - Refers to an interview that DOES NOT show that.
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Yes, that silliness has been doing the rounds for a while. I've heard the same story for the Oklahoma bombing as well.

Gulf of Tonkin. Claims false flag is ordered by POTUS. Refers to transcript that DOES NOT order the "false flag".
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No false flag has ever been proven.

Al Qaeda. Claims Al Qaeda created by the US. Refers to an interview that discusses people who ARE NOT Al Qaeda...

Seems to be a trend.
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Don't forget the David Rockefeller incident. After that I just can't take his stories seriously.

Let's face it. If it is against the government, it's popular among those given to such tales, and it is abundantly clear that reason has nothing to do with it.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Tell me, what was the proper context.? Don't worry about derailing, the debunkers have failed on every point so far, and I don't expect anything meaningful to get raised at this point anyway.

Not an agency... A tool. An asset. Kinda like, if you threw a beehive into someone's house, you don't control the bees, but you did piss them off and sent them in the direction you wanted them to go.
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CLINTON: Well, what we have done is through intensive consultations with both the civilian, the military and the intelligence leadership in Pakistan, you know, had very frank conversations about what we expect. But I think it is important to note that as they have made these adjustments in their own assessment of their national interests, they're paying a big price for it. It's not an easy calculation for them to make, but we are making progress.

We have a long way to go, and we have to -- we can't be impatient. We can't say, well, you know, the headlines are bad, we're going home. We cannot do that. Part of what we are fighting against, right now, the United States created. We created the Mujahideen force against the Soviet Union. We trained them, we equipped them, we funded them, including somebody named Osama Bin Laden. And then when we finally saw the end of the Soviet Army crossing back out of Afghanistan, we all breathed a sigh of relief and said, okay, fine, we're out of there. And it didn't work out so well for us.
 
Re: 5 minutes that destroys the official version

Fledermaus said:
Lets see....

1993 Bombing. Bman claims the FBI gave the explosives to the terrorists. - Refers to an interview that DOES NOT show that.

Gulf of Tonkin. Claims false flag is ordered by POTUS. Refers to transcript that DOES NOT order the "false flag".

Al Qaeda. Claims Al Qaeda created by the US. Refers to an interview that discusses people who ARE NOT Al Qaeda...

Seems to be a trend.
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Lmao.... Most people that understand plain English understand what the evidence of each of those says...
 
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NWO_Spook said:
OMG. There was nothing meaningful in the OP. All right...post the interview and let's go through the context.



I'm sorry, I'm not aware of the finer points of your belief system. Ok, an asset, whatever, everything I said still applies.
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No, it was meaningful to further prove that debunkers are delusional in their belief that their stated opinions somehow trump the facts.
 
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