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475 detained during immigration raid at Hyundai’s U.S. EV site: homeland security

justoneman said:
Or the construction companies can hire legal workers.
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“We are aware of the recent incident at the HL-GA Battery Company construction site in Bryan County, Georgia,” said Michael Stewart, a spokesman for Hyundai. “We are closely monitoring the situation and working to understand the specific circumstances. As of today, it is our understanding that none of those detained is directly employed by Hyundai Motor Company."

If so, it looks like the other company. LG Energy Solution may be the culprit or a network of subcontractors who also worked at the site.

The above quote from: The WSJ
 
Michael Cole said:
The article isn't clear. It looks to me like the detentions were construction workers, not EV plant workers.

He said the detained workers were part of a “network of subcontractors,” and that the employees worked for a variety of different companies on the site.

Thursday’s raid targeted one of Georgia’s largest and most high-profile manufacturing sites, touted by Gov. Brian Kemp and other officials as the largest economic development project in the state’s history. Hyundai Motor Group, South Korea’s biggest automaker, began manufacturing EVs a year ago at the US$7.6 billion plant, which employs about 1,200 people, and has partnered with LG Energy Solution to build an adjacent battery plant, slated to open next year.
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"Subcontractors" can also mean contract/temp employees employed through third-party agencies. This has become quite common in technical and manufacturing operations, and also - as you said - in construction.

Often the primary employer tacitly turns their head at the goings-on of their subcontractors, laying-off any potential liability on them.
 
Chomsky said:
Yowza!

But straight-up, this is the kind of illegal employment enforcement I believe Americans approve of. The reports I'm seeing is 475 "arrested", not just detained.

Looks like this isn't only a Blue State, Blue City, problem. This appears to be an unincorporated rural Southern area.
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Trump should be deploying the National Guard any minute now.
 
Chomsky said:
Perhaps.

But regardless, illegal activity, in this case large scale illegal activity, should not be condoned.
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I agree. I need more information. Something about detaining 400+ people at a plant employing 1,200 employees - then the employer saying operations aren’t affected - does not pass my sniff test.

If it involved construction workers at an adjacent plant, that’s a different story but having had first hand experience involving a Korean multinational setting up manufacturing in the US, the majority of the arrests being South Koreans also doesn’t pass my sniff test.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Maybe that should be done by legal citizens. A recent report says there are more people looking than jobs, well now there are more jobs available for those folks to get. Maybe they need to take a job.
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In his inauguration speech, President Donald Trump promised that his sweeping tariff regime would help America become a "manufacturing nation once again." But so far his tariffs and his broader handling of the economy are achieving the opposite reality: New data shows America's manufacturing sector has been shrinking consistently — and executives in the industry are complaining about tariffs as a key factor.

Bloomberg reported Tuesday that "US factory activity shrank in August for a sixth straight month, driven by a pullback in production that shows manufacturing remains bogged down by higher import duties."
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-tariffs-economy-manufacturing-ism-rcna228790

This is why there are more people out of work than jobs available. Our manufacturing sector is in a recession like the last time Trump was in office and for the same damn reason.....TARIFFS.
 
Chomsky said:
"Subcontractors" can also mean contract/temp employees employed through third-party agencies. This has become quite common in technical and manufacturing operations, and also - as you said - in construction.
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Yeah, it could be temp services or any other service contracted out. The article wasn't clear that I read.
 
SavannahMann said:
I honestly wonder if anyone in the Trump Administration has a brain? I mean we know the Fanboys who cheer it all on don't.

Well let's see how annoyed Hyundai is regarding their workers? If they're mad enough and they shut down the two Car Factories they have in Georgia then they'll guarantee a massive Unemployment within 90 days. Good times.
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Perhaps there's more non-disrupting ways to do this.

But, it's hard to find fault with breaking-up a massive illegal employment operation. Better yet if the Feds go after the owners and HR people, too. Word gets around.

This isn't the first time something like this happened -

Here:

en.wikipedia.org

Postville raid - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
It sounds as if these workers were brought from SK to specifically do this work. If they did not have the appropriate documentation to work legally that's on the company that hired them. They should be 1) prosecuted to the max and 2) the workers sent home. My bet is only 2 happens.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Maybe that should be done by legal citizens. A recent report says there are more people looking than jobs, well now there are more jobs available for those folks to get. Maybe they need to take a job.
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If it doesn’t require a degree in gender or film studies, Zoomers don’t want it. They’d rather stay home playing The Sims 4 in Mom’s spare bedroom. 😆
 
Chomsky said:
"Subcontractors" can also mean contract/temp employees employed through third-party agencies. This has become quite common in technical and manufacturing operations, and also - as you said - in construction.

Often the primary employer tacitly turns their head at the goings-on of their subcontractors, laying-off any potential liability on them.
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Good point!
If only we could come up with some way to determine if potential employees are eligible to work in the USA.
We could give the system a catchy name....such as...I dunno... maybe..... "e verify"?
Something like that might work if employers were actually required to use it.
 
radioman said:
Good point!
If only we could come up with some way to determine if potential employees are eligible to work in the USA.
We could give the system a catchy name....such as...I dunno... maybe..... "e verify"?
Something like that might work if employers were actually required to use it.
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Republicans wont require it.

Texas won’t force private companies to use E-Verify to check workers’ immigration status, despite leaders’ tough talk​


Texas’ conservative Legislature has again and again refused to mandate that most private businesses use E-Verify. Experts say that Republican resistance is rooted in how the system could impact the state’s labor supply and economy.
www.texastribune.org

Texas won’t force private companies to use E-Verify to check workers’ immigration status, despite leaders’ tough talk

Texas’ conservative Legislature has again and again refused to mandate that most private businesses use E-Verify. Experts say that Republican resistance is rooted in how the system could impact the state’s labor supply and economy.
www.texastribune.org www.texastribune.org
 
Chomsky said:
Legal employees hired legally, which is a good thing.
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South Koreans are among the last group of people I'd suspect of wanting to work and remain in the US illegally. To my knowledge, they've historically not faced the same level of scrutiny in getting work or student visas that, say, Indians or Chinese immigrants do. Something just doesn't smell right here.
 
I wonder if SK said something mean about someone or about a best friend of someone.
 
Callen said:
Likely LAX......on visitor visas
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Yes. Visas expire, and suddenly someone becomes illegal. I suppose contractors with hundreds of workers coming and going don't try to keep track. Is it odd, though, that they were all South Koreans working on a South Korean project? I don't know.
 
phoenix2020 said:
The problem of course that the @Integrityrespec types don’t realize is that large foreign corporations considering building centers in the US are often looking to replicate learnings, best practices, commonality with similar plants abroad, hence they have to send experts from those foreign sites to ensure the US one is stood up consistently. If we make it hard for foreigners to get visas to perform such coordination, well, businesses will decide it’s not worth manufacturing in the USA.
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This ^
 
Integrityrespec said:
Maybe that should be done by legal citizens. A recent report says there are more people looking than jobs, well now there are more jobs available for those folks to get. Maybe they need to take a job.
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Right? All of Trumps properties were built by illegal labor.
He'd pay them below minimum wage, 12 hour shifts but no overtime pay because what are they gonna do about it?
They're illegal.
 
multivita-man said:
South Koreans are among the last group of people I'd suspect of wanting to work and remain in the US illegally. To my knowledge, they've historically not faced the same level of scrutiny in getting work or student visas that, say, Indians or Chinese immigrants do. Something just doesn't smell right here.
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One possible explanation, LG Group is not known for the level of self-governance and internal policing that other South Korean multinationals practice. (This observation from personal experience). They may well have been bending or breaking rules w/little oversight.
 
phoenix2020 said:
The problem of course that the @Integrityrespec types don’t realize is that large foreign corporations considering building centers in the US are often looking to replicate learnings, best practices, commonality with similar plants abroad, hence they have to send experts from those foreign sites to ensure the US one is stood up consistently. If we make it hard for foreigners to get visas to perform such coordination, well, businesses will decide it’s not worth manufacturing in the USA.
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Whataboutism is why "those types" are here.
It's the ONLY reason.
 
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