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actually, all being totalitarian made them exactly identical. Now you understand the basic principle of America. Our Founders did not care about the rationale of liberal totalitarians because they were all the same in the end, they were the source of evil
throughout human history.
For example Iran and Saudi Arabia are as far from liberalism as one could get,.
indeed they are the very definition of conservatism taken to the extreme.
but why do you say that? Hitler Stalin and Mao and the rulers of Iran and Saudi Arabia were all identical to our Founders. They all would be illegal here thanks to our Founders regardless of their rationales for centralizing power in govt. America was founded to be about freedom from all powerful liberal central governments. Make sense now?
conservatism taken to its extreme is libertarianism. You've got your definitions all confused. Sorry.
James972 said:I think the point is that we ought to be concerned about the socialist anti-Americanism of Democrats. When 38% admit to being socialist real Americans have a real problem.
James972 said:I don't think it matters who said but rather whether it makes sense.
James972 said:Bernie Sanders is on the far left with liberals, communists, socialists, and Democrats all of whom have worked together over decades so that anti-American socialism is now main stream in America.
Yikes! The question is why would anybody be a socialist when socialism slowly starved 120 million human souls to death.
no no please give us your best example of how adding a little socialism to capitalism can help rather than hurt. Thanks
America was founded to be about freedom from all powerful liberal central governments. Make sense now?
I think the point is that we ought to be concerned about the socialist anti-Americanism of Democrats. When 38% admit to being socialist real Americans have a real problem.
I don't think it matters who said but rather whether it makes sense. Bernie Sanders is on the far left with liberals, communists, socialists, and Democrats all of whom have worked together over decades so that anti-American socialism is now main stream in America.
How can anything that is mainstream be anti-American?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1065506856 said:I believe the politically correct pronunciation is "teat."
if communism or Nazism was mainstream it would be anti American since America is about freedom from govt. Make sense now?
if communism or Nazism was mainstream it would be anti American since America is about freedom from govt. Make sense now?
You are pretty much wrong. The Constitution is about political freedom. Freedom from persecution by the government for one's political affiliation(s).
Where mixing socialism and capitalism works? Or otherwise known as a "mixed economy"? The United States and most of Western nations. None of them are pure capitalist or pure socialist.
Particularly during the postwar New Deal Era.
The New Deal was a series of small socialist tweaks to our capitalist system.
(1947-1980)
Our economy was the strongest on Earth, upward mobility in the middle class was unparalleled, cost of living was a fraction what it is today, wages in real terms (adjusted for inflation) kept pace with costs, health care, higher education, housing, even cars, all of the big ticket items were within reach of almost anyone who simply worked a typical forty hour week.
And yet Ayn Rand, in 1959, chose to rant and whine about how our system sucked.
Mike Wallace asked her to pinpoint what was wrong with what he termed "our modified, regulated capitalist system".
Twenty years later, our fall from grace began, and middle class life has never recovered.
We started taking that crackpot seriously.
Capitalism became anarcho-capitalism.
The US will never ever be socialist.
First, even if pure socialism were totally benign, which it isn't, we'd screw it up because we have zero experience with it. We've been capitalist from the very beginning, so it's best to just add the few tiny tweaks to what we have and leave it at that.
Second, hybrids represent the kind of genetic strength found in Nature.
Purity is anathema to genetics, art, music, literature, even cuisine, and certainly to economics.
Purity is the road to defects. Purity is fundamentalism.
We'll never ever be socialist but the few small socialist tweaks we used in the New Deal Era strengthened our capitalist system.
Removing those tweaks in favor of "trickle down", Randian libertarianism and other dogma has ruined the economy.
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of course thats 100% absurd and liberal. The govt in now far bigger or more liberal than ever. Rand would be totally disappointed that liberals have won in America. Do you understand
I understand a lot more than you do.
no, they don't. "43% in Iowa identify as socialist"
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100% perfectly absurd, you said "Randian libertarianism and other dogma has ruined the economy" without realizing that what we have is more the opposite of what Rand and our Founders wanted. This indicates that you know far far far less . Make sense now?
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