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3,000 Americans volunteer to fight invading Russian forces in Ukraine, says report

snakestretcher said:
Unless you want to risk another world war what option is there other than diplomacy? Let's not forget that we in the West have done our share of invading and regime overturning in sovereign nations.
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Diplomacy is not the only option. Sanctions are the other and we need to continue to tighten down the screws. And these are not the wimpy sanctions of the past.
 
Sled Dog said:
Canadian border issues might arise, but I certainly intended that part as a joke.

There's certainly MAJOR incursions at the Mexican border, incursions that a little firepower would rapidly reverse. It's not like those people have a right to waltz in. They don't own the place. We do.

Certainly there's no reason for any decent American to get upset about Ukraine's borders when our own are violated like a Target in San Francisco.
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Oh for God's sake get off it. Unless your ancestors are Native American they weren't the first ones here either.

And you advocate shooting at people that come here for a better life? You're a whack job.
 
Sled Dog said:
So Putin is entitled to invade any country he wants to, and he should be allowed, without consequence or protest from other nations, to conduct his imperialistic invasions by any means he deems proper?

Uh....that's a "no". Putin had no valid cause to unilaterally invade Crimea, let alone the rest of Ukraine years later. He's just playing out his Lex Luthor fantasies and he should be resisted by all means that serve our interests.

As for what the US ambassador to Russia should say about US citizens volunteering to fight fascism in Ukraine, all he needs to say is that Americans are free men and will do what they wish, without asking for or needing their government's consent. Those men will not be "US troops" and this should not be viewed as a direct confrontation between US and Russian forces. And that Russia's failure at a blitzkrieg in Ukraine does not bode well for Russia if it tries to get uppity with the NATO countries.
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If the West can play musical regimes in the Middle East and North Africa then Russia can invade Ukraine. If you want there to be rules of conduct in the world then they must apply to everyone or no one. Both sides can do whatever they want with non-NATO member States. If the other side doesn’t like it then they can protest, they can lob sanctions all over the place, they can even dabble in proxy warfare. What they cannot do is direct military intervention to stop the other. Those are the rules of conduct the East and West have operated under for many decades.

People can complain about how unfair that is for nations, like Ukraine, caught in the middle. But that latitude extended by each side to the other is what has kept the East and the West from having at each other with consequences beyond your imagining. The rest of the world is a punching bag to prevent that from happening.
 
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Napoleon said:
If the West can play musical regimes in the Middle East and North Africa then Russia can invade Ukraine. If you want there to be rules of conduct in the world then they must apply to everyone or no one. Both sides can do whatever they want with non-NATO member States. If the other side doesn’t like it then they can protest, they can lob sanctions all over the place, they can even dabble in proxy warfare. What they cannot do is direct military intervention to stop the other. Those are the rules of conduct the East and West have operated under for many decades.

People can complain about how unfair that is for nations, like Ukraine, caught in the middle. But that latitude extended by each side to the other is what has kept the East and the West from having at each other with consequences beyond your imagining. The rest of the world is a punching bag to prevent that from happening.
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So what you're saying is two wrongs make a right? One of the biggest fallacies out there.

And your'e saying because the U.S. had done bad things then the Ukraines need to take this? What did the Ukraine have to do with the U.S. invasion of Iraq or Vietnam?

Your posts are getting more ridiculous all the time.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So what you're saying is two wrongs make a right? One of the biggest fallacies out there.

And your'e saying because the U.S. had done bad things then the Ukraines need to take this? What did the Ukraine have to do with the U.S. invasion of Iraq or Vietnam?

Your posts are getting more ridiculous all the time.
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I’ve articulated what I’m saying very clearly.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Oh for God's sake get off it. Unless your ancestors are Native American they weren't the first ones here either.

And you advocate shooting at people that come here for a better life? You're a whack job.
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I am a native American. There were no "Americans" on this continent until Jamestown. The people that lived in North America before Columbur (and/or the Vikings) are correctly called aborigines. Referring to aborigines as "natives" is generally considered a racial slur in this silly woke days.
 
Napoleon said:
If the West can play musical regimes in the Middle East and North Africa then Russia can invade Ukraine. If you want there to be rules of conduct in the world then they must apply to everyone or no one. Both sides can do whatever they want with non-NATO member States. If the other side doesn’t like it then they can protest, they can lob sanctions all over the place, they can even dabble in proxy warfare. What they cannot do is direct military intervention to stop the other. Those are the rules of conduct the East and West have operated under for many decades.

People can complain about how unfair that is for nations, like Ukraine, caught in the middle. But that latitude extended by each side to the other is what has kept the East and the West from having at each other with consequences beyond your imagining. The rest of the world is a punching bag to prevent that from happening.
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What I am saying is that we owe Ukraine NOTHING. If it's not in America's national interest to intervene, then the United States should not intervene.

And nobody has stated what national interest (one that benefits the middle class and below) will be served by yet another foreign military adventure.

It will benefit the Rodents, of course, to take the media eye off the total incompetence and senility of that clown that stole the White House, but that's of no benefit to the people of this country.

It will benefit the RINOS to waste more tax dollars on military spending, but that doesn't help the people, either.

Ukraine is in Europe. Europe is full of rich industrial countries who are directly threatened by Putin's imperialism. Let's see what Europe can do for itself. Let's see if they're big boys or still whiny little girls.

The Ukrainians are proving themselves to be men, what about the Germans and the French, is their heritage totally exhausted by two centuries of socialism?

As for American adventurism in the past, you won't see me saying that it was justified. The ME? We should have been drilling our own oil to service our energy needs, and the 70's and since would have been totally different with an energy independent America.

I miss President Trump, who was elected to serve twice.
 
Sled Dog said:
I am a native American. There were no "Americans" on this continent until Jamestown. The people that lived in North America before Columbur (and/or the Vikings) are correctly called aborigines. Referring to aborigines as "natives" is generally considered a racial slur in this silly woke days.
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No you are not a Native American and I never used the word aborigines. You did.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
No you are not a Native American and I never used the word aborigines. You did.
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Look up the word "native" in a dictionary.

And yes, I used the word aborigine because it's good to use the correct word when expressing exact ideas. Try it sometime and see how much clearer your communications skills become.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
The LAST thing that you want is a provable, direct, American government sponsored, attack on Russia carried out by the American military.

That would only intensify the Russian "paranoia".
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How do we stop him?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I'm surprised she allowed to wear lipstick like that in the military, but then again that looks like a photo op designed to show nice long Ukrainian women.
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The lady happens to be the 2i/c of an Infantry company.

PS - Different countries have different dress codes. Did you know that it wasn't until 2021 that Sikhs in the US military were allowed to wear turbans (where anyone outside the US military could see them)? Sikh members of the Canadian military have been allowed to wear turbans since 1986.

PPS - Whether or not the shooter is wearing lipstick doesn't affect where the bullet goes.
 
Sled Dog said:
The Second Amendment exists to protect American freedom from any American based tyranny. There's no particular reason a 2A supporter in the US should be expected to volunteer to defend Ukraine.

But they certainly should be allowed to defend the US/Mexico and US/Canada borders as needed, since the Democrats refuse to defend the US.
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You may NOT send Justin Bieber or Celine Dion back to Canada!

Any you have to keep Ted Cruz as well!!!!!
 
Sled Dog said:
Canadian border issues might arise, but I certainly intended that part as a joke.

There's certainly MAJOR incursions at the Mexican border, incursions that a little firepower would rapidly reverse. It's not like those people have a right to waltz in. They don't own the place. We do.

Certainly there's no reason for any decent American to get upset about Ukraine's borders when our own are violated like a Target in San Francisco.
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Once a person actually reaches American territory, they DO have a legal right to make a claim for asylum.

Of course they do not have any right whatsoever to have that claim automatically approved.

Now, if American employers would simply refuse to hire "illegals" in any capacity or at any wage whatsoever, then you would probably find that the influx would decline.

And, of course, if US government benefits were only available to those who could prove that they had the consent (however temporary) of the US government to actually be in the United States of America, you would also find that the influx would decline.

And, the "influx problem" would also likely decline if anyone who was convicted of a felony (or [let's say] three) misdemeanors within (let's say within) five years of entering the United States of America had their US government permission to remain in the US automatically revoked and was deported - without appeal - upon completion of whatever custodial sentence they received (others could have their permission revoked, but only after being given a chance to make full answer and defence).
 
How many right wingers are going to sign up to fight for Russia? Oh, never mind, they are cowards that just act tough

PeacefulWarrior said:
I guarantee you that not one of our fabulous DP Gun Nuts are among that three thousand.

Hey TU: NOT. ONE.
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they would be fighting for the Russian if they did
 
Sled Dog said:
The United States has been undergoing a planned and deliberate invasion from Mexico since the 1980's, to the vast detriment of the US middle class.
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Take that one over to the CT forums please.

PS - What do you propose doing about those patriotic, right-thinking, patriotic, hard working, patriotic, honest, patriotic, real, patriotic, true, patriotic, conservative, patriotic, Christian, patriotic, White, patriotic, American, patriotic, patriots who hire the "illegals"?
 
lurchadams said:
How do we stop him?
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Interesting question.

You do realize that it may NOT be possible without a full-scale war, don't you?

On the other hand, you do realize that it is just possible that Mr. Putin actually means what he says (unlike American politicians during the 1,461 day long American election period), don't you?
 
HennyBogan said:
I’d bet NOT one is a leftist Democrat
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Strangely enough, it was the "Leftists" that left the US to fight fascism while it was the "Conservatives" that were advocating staying out of "that European war".

What I find amusing is that it is the same people who are crying "America should not be the world's policeman." who appear to be the most vocally in favour of American military intervention in Ukraine and who think that

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shouldn't apply (provided that no Americans are put in a situation where they might get injured or killed).
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
PPS - Whether or not the shooter is wearing lipstick doesn't affect where the bullet goes.
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No it doesn't but it's still surprising if you know all the do's and dont's of attire in the military. I took a test to get my Sgt. stripes and you would think the military is OCD considering how nuts they were about attire. Where this should go, and where that should go, and how far apart etc. etc. I think that is the only part of the test I didn't do well as it was so monotonous and boring.
 
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