25 Points of National Socialism

[RealmOfThePureForms]

Your little "fact" has nothing to do with anything. I have seen this exact argument before somewhere else. It was wrong then too. America has proven it. It's right in front of your face and you refuse to see it, because it negates your obtuse thinking. What you have written above is all called "angling." "Angling" is a term used in literature that selects specific notions and "facts" to create an illusion of truth.

Americas is the very definition of diversity. What color people are athletes? What color people are policemen? What color people are military members? What color people hold office? What culture can attend any University? What religion is allowed to worship as they please?

Our culture is history's first "people's" culture. In every corner in America, you will find an influence of mulitiple cultures. This rediculous need that you have to believe in your garbage is fruitless. The future of mankind is diversity. A mixing of the races and cultures and there isn't a thing any racist, "white supremicist," or religious fanatic can do about it. Many will try their damnest to oppress their people into specific conformity, but in the end, people want freedom and this is where your civil wars and thnic cleansing come into play. It is the "superior" beings that simply need an excuse to slaughter people they don't like. There is no such thing as a country for specific colors and cultures any more. Welcome to the 21st century. I find it hysterical that people live with such ideological nonesense floating around in their head actually believe that this would ever be realized.

You failed to answer any of the truths which were in my post. You seem like one of those people who history has to teach a lesson to in order for you to get it. One of those people with hindsight after the fact.

Tell me, do you have a degree in psychology? Have you studied human behavior? Have you looked at any of the demographic and sociological data available to us? Or did you just decide how nice it would be deep inside your heart if what you felt was actually reality?

I will address this again for you since the first time I wrote it, you went on a factless, illogical, emotional tirade.

It is a sociological FACT that human beings prefer to live amongst people who look and act as similarly as possible to themselves.

It is a sociological FACT that human beings will blame other ethnic groups for major crisis that occur within their country when they feel helpless. Remember the Japanese after Pearl Harbor and Arab-Americans getting death threats after 9/11? Those are reality. Your version is an illusion.

It is a historical fact that no nation has ever peacefully gone through a transition from the ethnic group that created the nation to another ethnic group taking power. You don't believe me? When the USSR collapsed the Russian population of the entire USSR just dropped below 50%. Same thing with Yugoslavia and Croatia.

You simply don't get it. You completely ignore everything factual and use only your emotions when responding.

America is the richest country in the world. Again it is a sociological fact that social tensions are at their lowest in a stable nation state such as the US when the economy is normal. Again another example. The massive deportation of Mexicans during the Great Depression of the 1920s.

See this is the difference betwen you and I. I can cite examples for absolutely everything I am stating while you can do nothing but shout back with angry emotions. I am not politically correct. I am not racist. I simply state the truth about human nature.

From a psychological perspective people will always turn on those who are different from them the moment a major problem occurs which does not threaten their lives, but threatens their comforts (ie great depression). And people will always turn to eachother when a major problem occurs that directly threatens their lives (ie World War 2).

I am sorry if you are one of those people who ignores history and human social behavior. But DO NOT throw your politically correct garbage terms of racist and nazi at me simply because I refuse to sugar coat reality for you.

You cannot give any examples to back up anything you say. All you have is a nation less than 240 years old under the most idealistic economic conditions any nation in the history of the world has ever had. And within that nation you still have one single ethnic population as over 70% of the population.

If what YOU say is true, then it will defy human nature and history. And don't worry sir, because in 40 years the white population will drop below 50%. And when the economic conditions deteriorate and other ethnic groups attempt to gain full political control, we will see if your version of America is real or just an illusion in your politically correct mind. Because right now, you can't even utter the word "success" when you mention America and diversity and expect to be taken seriously. Because any experiment done under the absolutely best circumstances has a great chance of success. But lets see what happens when the chips are down and people don't have jobs.

Lets see, will Japanese Americans be placed in "relocation camps" again as they were after Pearl Harbor. Will Mexicans be deported in mass numbers as they were during the Great Depression. Will Arab Americans be getting thousands more death threats like they got after 9/11? America has shown how it reacts to ethnic groups during times of hardship. And in all the examples, it was always BAD and RACIST. So why the hell do you think it all just magically changed overnight and the next time something really bad happens economically, the same thing won't happen? Oh the big difference between those events then and the ones coming in the future is the ethnic demographic. See back then it was over 90% white. When the next big bump in the road comes, it will be more like 50%. Then you have yourself a home grown Croatia, Bosnia, and Yugoslavia right in the USA. Welcome to ethnic civil war where 50% of the population blames 35% of the population for all the things that are going wrong.

Whos gonna get political control? Whos gonna start blaming the other ethnic group for the bad economic conditions? What are all the people without jobs gonna do? Just sit around and watch everything they worked for be taken away? Or perhaps they will do what psychologic examination of human beings under stress says they will do. What they have done for hundreds of years across every kind of nation. They will blame someone else for their misfortune, then talk about how good it was in the past when "pick your ethnic group" wasn't in our country, and how now that they are, things have gone to ****.

 

[Gardener]

Yes, such a cozy, friendly relationship they had.

The relationship is always cozy between oppressive overlords and those they oppress, isn't it?

As long as the latter accepts their second class status, that is.......


People might as well wax poetic about those halcyonic days in the 17 and 18 hundreds here in the states, when people of color lived in such peace. I mean, after all, some of the house slaves accepted their lot, didn't they?

At least most of us Americans have come to grips with our own past, look at it square in the face, and point out the injustice. If the two antisemitic Germans in this thread are any indication, the same cannot always be said for others. One may be a Nazi while the other is an Islamist, but the target of their hatred is certainly the same.

 

[Joby]

It is a historical fact that no nation has ever peacefully gone through a transition from the ethnic group that created the nation to another ethnic group taking power. You don't believe me? When the USSR collapsed the Russian population of the entire USSR just dropped below 50%. Same thing with Yugoslavia and Croatia

Add Rome, Macedonia, Ottomans, Japanese, and British to the list.

Semper Fi Gunny! You rock! I love it when you're right.

Because as evidenced to by your earlier posts, you can't make a decent response. Even when talking to the idiot, uneducated Nazis.

Hypocrisy is on all of us. Your reply is a classic case of desperate defense.

You were stating how superior Americans were to Arabs. The only difference between you and a Nazi is that you'll make an alliance with the Jews now that they give us a strategic advantage.

The subjugation of women is one of the common factors we will find in failing or backwards civilizations.
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Like Pre-1970 US.

1000 BC: Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim of Egypt ordered the deaths of thousands of Jews. He was Muslim

Interesting. Especially since Muhammed wouldn't be alive for another 1600 years...:rofl
But if you want to give me wars between brown people and Hebrews I have read the Bible, were the Hebrews God tells them to wipe out all the people around them so as not to integrate.

Protectionism and the use of war.

Military Industrial complex, I believe

Hypothetically. If he'd pushed straight on to attack Russia without the occupation of Western Europe the allies may well have left him to it, Poland wasn't exactly a major player at that time.

Well, I suppose he could have aligned himself with Poland against the Red Threat, like he did when he gave Poland a chunk of Czechoslavakia. In fact, you may have opened up a whole new avenue of discussion. The Red Army wasn't much in 1939, although he would have waited until spring 1940.
Well, hindsight is 20/20, I will admit freely Hitler made a brilliant Political move with the Nazi-Soviet Pact. He accurately judged that although the West would declare war on him, the would sit and play soccer on their side of the Rhine while most of his army was in the east. Then he turned around and annihilated them.

I wouldn't draw a racialist conclusion to it, but the Italians were a very unsuccessful fighting force during the war and have not had, to my knowledge any major military engagements since then to prove otherwise.

One might argue that the Germans constructed a bee hive, and the Italians were like termites. The Germans were organized and always ready to strike, while the Italians didn't care who won as long as they got their pasta.
To their defense, the Italians did not embrace Mussolinni like the Germans did Hitler.

But that's the point I was criticising, he didn't have enough Germans to occupy and work the amount of territory he was trying to take

It wouldn't have been much lower per square mile than the US in 1850. I speculate that he imagined a baby boom following round 1.

Something that didn't involve any beheadings, kidnappings, or ransoms?

You're right. Using bullets against civilians instead of swords makes it more humane. And, in this debate, I'll agree. Those browns have brought us down long enough.

....So, you have gone from parading around your "superiority" complex over others by distorting common knowledge in history to...."Oh yeah, I recognize that" when you defend Europe? As is very common amongst bigots and racists, you crumbled when cold truth is presented and your lies

Please clarify

It's generally accepted that the Panzerkampfwagen V or 'Panther' was the best all round tank designed throughout the period, and if the German's had

By the time the V was ready for mass production, supply problems were begining.

You're going to have to explain this, what are you refering to?

Not many Germans liked Hitler in 1928, but ny 1930 he was making a lot of sense.


BTW, Thanks Volker. He still didn't get it though.

 

[Auftrag]

You didn't refute it because you haven't a leg to stand on. I presented a clear picture about what racism and bogotry does to a civilization, and you ran.

No you didn't, you presented a case for why America stands as an example for the world to follow and made assertions without evidence, presenting them as self-evident truths; implying that I am stupid or jealous for not accepting them.

I then chose not to respond seriously to you, because it was unfounded babble.

You know that all of your beliefs are mere products of upbringing and racist propaganda. Nothing more.

It's quite incredible that you can make the assertion without ever speaking to me, meeting me or knowing anything about my life and family history.

You are clearly demonstrating prejudice towards me simply because I am a National Socialist. That's not proof of anything!

Being a National Socialist is not proof of my personality and if you attempt to formulate an argument based solely on suspiciouns about my personality that is regarded as an ad hominem attack and clearly shows your inability to form intellectual arguments.

It's also funny how you attempt to dismiss me as "not worth it." I guess you come to this site to talk to people who agree with you.

No, I come to this board to attempt some form of debate which contains some intellectual value. You have yet to demonstrate anything of intellectual value.

You have merely offered me the present establishment American world view and attempted to prove to me by making assertions without evidence that multi-culturalism is beneficial to your country.

You have also spewed up some "American dream" crap that I'd be surprised if anyone actually believed anymore.

The entire premise of your argument relies on your belief that America is a "better" country than the rest of the world. You obviously regard this as a self-evident truth. Quite frankly I find it boring and irrelevant to try and attempt to refute that.

If I was to seriously take the time out to rebut your argument it would require me having to waste my energy demonstrating facts that you are more than likely going to dismiss.

You can call that what you will. I'm simply not going to be drawn into a debate with someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

Further proof of no real study into your racism.

I find your arrogance to be startling.

Let me get this straight. Because I haven’t attempted to refute the fact that you believe America to be the best country in the world, that multi-culturalism and diversity have actually strengthened your country and because the German people are lazy I have no understanding of "my racism"?

:roll:

Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan

All of those countries allow their women an education. Also, all except Iran allow their women to receive higher education in all disciplines, where as Iran only allows women to practice 70 out of 169 disciplines.

The Kurds in Iraq have already recognized that their women can contribute too. In the societies where they are allowed to attend universities, they are restricted to what courses they may take. The sentiment of male "superiority" is the core definition of Muslim being. The subjugation of women is one of the common factors we will find in failing or backwards civilizations.

This whole line of argument is actually based entirely on the fact that you believe America to be a shining example of greatness to the rest of the world. You believe in fact that this is so self-evident that anyone who does not agree is jealous or self-righteous or downright stupid. This is the sum of your argument!

Well, for your information I do not accept that America is an example to the rest of the world, of greatness or anything else for that matter. In fact, as New Orleans clearly demonstrated to the rest of the world, America considers their black people to be nothing more than dispensable.

If America is such a shining example of these moral standards you seem to be championing then why is it that your Federal government allowed thousands of these people to die?

Less propaganda and more study into your world might be helpful.

Thank you, action man, for your concern for my intellectual development.

This is a very common thing amongst tyrants and monsters. First they rally behind something that is largely myth,

The jews aren't and weren't a myth, they were and are in fact very real.

and they ride the wave of hate as far as it will go.

One mans hate is another mans love, I suppose...

The best way to see through their propaganda and declarations is to watch what they do after they "pound" their "oppressors." IF this were true, then they would stop. Germany didn't stop.

Well, as you so effortlessly and enjoyably keep reminding us, Germany never got to finish in the first place.

You lack pure knowledge on your own history.

I'm not quite sure how you have arrived at this conclusion as the only reference to history I have made is to the condition of the German people in relation to jews before Hitler's rise to power. A comment which you have agreed with...

You seem to not only be buying into the notion that revising history will offer you some sort of national pride, but you seem to actively be willing to create your own revisions.

Again I'm not quite sure what you're referring to, but perhaps you are now saying that the German people were not in fact in absolute servitude? Can you clarify please?

A Nazi is a Nazi. Spin any label you like on it. At the core of every racist, white supremacist, Nazi, or Islamic Radical we will find the same thing - an individual who is so personally inadequate that he needs scapegoats and hate to feel better about himself.

Ad hominem attacks are not a substitute for an argument.

When it affects an entire civilization, it is tragic. We see this today in the Middle East. We saw it in Germany. We've seen it all through history. The worst of this lot is the individual or civilization that hides their prejudices, racism, and bigotry behind a religion or behind some made up "victim hood."

I guess we should all become Americans then?

I think from your own words, you didn't reply for good reason. You have no understanding of your own issues.

What issues? You're not at all being clear about what issues I'm supposed to be understanding. You haven't refuted any of my racialist arguments in this thread, you have simply made statements which you obviously perceive to be fact about cultural integration and diversity.

You back them up with hate speech...nothing more.

When have I ever made a hateful speech? Please show me one...

Where's your non-propagandous study? Where's your civilizational study? Where's your social study?

Regarding what specifically? if you have an argument about something I have said then please refer to it directly. If you have a problem with something I have said then please quote it with your argument and I will respond

Bursting into a thread with your "set the record straight" posts in an attempt to put us all right is both tiresome and wholly arrogant. As if anything you had to say was more important than anyone else.

I'm sorry buster, that's just not the way it works.

 

[Kelzie]

Interesting. Especially since Muhammed wouldn't be alive for another 1600 years...:rofl
But if you want to give me wars between brown people and Hebrews I have read the Bible, were the Hebrews God tells them to wipe out all the people around them so as not to integrate.

Sorry, I meant AD. I never said the Hebrews weren't violent. I was merely proving this:

uhhh, yeah......except for that relative period of peace between _(when Islam was created exactly) and the 1930s when they began to take muslim land...

was very much incorrect.

 

[Auftrag]

6) Germans--systematically killed everyone of any race they considered to be inferior.

Why do you keep saying race as a defining word to charactorise human beings while at the same time attempting to assert that race doesn't exist?

 

[Auftrag]

Auftrag,

Now that you're apparently back, perhaps you'd care to comment on my last post to you?

Your post is quite hefty, so I will reply in due course.

 

[Joby]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joby
uhhh, yeah......except for that relative period of peace between _(when Islam was created exactly) and the 1930s when they began to take muslim land...


was very much incorrect

A few examples does not prove that it wasn't a Relative era of peace. Mexico and the US have been at war several times, but there has been a relative era of peace since 1776.

Anyway, you haven't seen the all-out, daily bombin, never ending conflict we have today.

 

[Kelzie]

A few examples does not prove that it wasn't a Relative era of peace. Mexico and the US have been at war several times, but there has been a relative era of peace since 1776.

Anyway, you haven't seen the all-out, daily bombin, never ending conflict we have today.

Gawd.

The Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim dynasty lasted from 910 to 1171 AD. The Almoravid dynasty lasted from the beginning of the 11th Century until it was overthrown by the Almohad dynasty around 1150. The Almohad dynasty lasted until 1269. This is hardly a six month conflict. We're talking hundreds of years here.

 

[Joby]

Really? It took them that long?

Damn, my people did a better job in 12 years.

 

[Kelzie]

Really? It took them that long?

Damn, my people did a better job in 12 years.

What are you talking about?

 

[Gardener]

What are you talking about?

My guess is that it is in reference to the years between 1933 and 45.

 

[Kelzie]

My guess is that it is in reference to the years between 1933 and 45.

Oh, I was hoping that wasn't it. It was kinda callous, no? Or am I just being sensitive?

 

[Gardener]

Oh, I was hoping that wasn't it. It was kinda callous, no? Or am I just being sensitive?

Callous doesn't even begin to describe the word I might use to reference it, and no, you are not overly sensitive.

It's a lot like going swimming in that some people jump in with both feet and some just stick a toe in first. My interpretation is that this one is done sticking in the toes and is now ready to swim with the real agenda. All the indicators are certainly there.

 

[Jay R]

By the time the V was ready for mass production, supply problems were begining.

Not too sure about that, I'd need to look at the timelines in more depth. They definitely went on to develop the Mk VI 'Konigstiger' which was effort that would have been better spent elsewhere, and the even larger 'Maus' was at the prototype stage at the wars end, proving they continued trying to build ever bigger and more complicated tanks as a demonstration of engineering prowess when they should have focussed on their most well rounded design.

Sorry, I'm still not following you on this point, lets recap:

how dumb must you be to draw a distinction between a white person of Nordic, Anglo-Saxon, Slavic, Mediterranean or Celtic blood?

You're probably one that wants to lead your peole out of the ahses.

This is the reply I don't understand. And your explanation, repeated below still doesn't make sense.

Not many Germans liked Hitler in 1928, but ny 1930 he was making a lot of sense.

Can you clarify? What am I supposed to be leading people to, and what's the meaning of your point?

 

[Joby]

Can you clarify? What am I supposed to be leading people to, and what's the meaning of your point?

Sorry. Clarification is something I have difficulty with.

Basically, in 1928, things were going, let's say, OK for Germany. Inflation was down, and employment was moderately well off. Why would we punish Jews, even if they are rich?

But after 1929, millions of Germans were laid off. The Jewish population, through the eyes of an average German, had not been affected at all, however. Jewish politicians still had a large share of the republic, compared to their population.

It was at this time that the fiery veteran many had described as a lunatic began to make more and more sense. Yes, things have been bad. Yes, no Jews have suffered, have they? And Goddamit we could have won!

I suggest you wait for the next crash to see how opinions change, which in our capitalist society is inevitable.

Not too sure about that, I'd need to look at the timelines in more depth. They definitely went on to develop the Mk VI 'Konigstiger' which was effort that would have been better spent elsewhere, and the even larger 'Maus' was at the prototype stage at the wars end, proving they continued trying to build ever bigger and more complicated tanks as a demonstration of engineering prowess when they should have focussed on their most well rounded design.

I remember hearing that the Panzer V was ready for mass production in 1943. The IV was still a good tank, but the V was, of course, better. However, I still feel the KingTigers were good tanks (don't try and make me spell in Duecsht), for defensive purposes. Their weight did cause them to break down a lot, and they were slower.

Seriously, I could talk about this forever in the History section with anyone who wants to.

Oh, and many people who fought are convinced that-get this-the best tank to come out of the conflict was the...T44. Any opinion? Though I can't argue with the Tanks that inspired the Blitzkrieg and all following conventional military strategy.

My guess is that it is in reference to the years between 1933 and 45.

Being a small part Italian I was actually refering to the years 70-82, when the Romans leveled Jerusalem and spread the Jews across Europe, killing 3,000,000 in the process-mostly by crucifixion.

What do you think Christmas was originally a celebration of?

 

[Volker]

Ha ha. Funny. Allow me a minute to laugh. :rofl Okay, I'm better.

Good to see you have fun :smile:

A little history for everyone:

1000 BC: Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim of Egypt ordered the deaths of thousands of Jews. He was Muslim

There is a good chance he was a madman. Didn't he go through the city at night yelling things? Didn't he found a secret society who worshipped him as god or some kind of incarnation of god? The Druzes?

1107: Almoravid dynasty attempted to violently expel all Jews from Morocco. Muslim rule.

1165: Almohad dynasty allowed Jews the choice of conversion or death. Muslim rule.

Almoravids and Almohads were fighting each other, too.

Beginning with the growth of Islam in the first millinia, all Jewish peoples in conquered lands were classified as dhimmi. They were subject to severe discrimination and segregation from the rest of the populous. From Abbas I (1587-1629) until the 1920s, Jews were required to wear a badge which marked someone as a Jew and a person to be avoided. Sound familiar?

There were marks with different colors for different religious minorities. This was not exclusive.

Yes, such a cozy, friendly relationship they had.

Consider the state of the world at this time and the relativation in the original sentence.

 

[Volker]

BTW, Thanks Volker. He still didn't get it though.

You're welcome :smile:

Well, to clear some things up, if you go to places where many Jewish people lived in the twenties, these were not the rich mens parts. Most Jewish people were like average people, you know, like tailors or barbers. Many of them came from Eastern Europe with not having much themselves. The majority frankly had the same problems like everyone else.

It's speculative, but I don't see the slidest chance, Germany could have won this war. Soviet Union had the manpower, the fuel, the equipment and industries to build a lot of weapons. They were even good in technology. For instance, a russian gun could have put to sand or snow and it was still good for use. German guns had much more parts and they were much less reliable.

Germans often did not have control about the territories they occupied in the East. With their attitude I don't think, this would have changed. Probably there would have been guerilla fighting until they left.

 

[MSgt]

You failed to answer any of the truths which were in my post. You seem like one of those people who history has to teach a lesson to in order for you to get it. One of those people with hindsight after the fact.

Tell me, do you have a degree in psychology? Have you studied human behavior? Have you looked at any of the demographic and sociological data available to us? Or did you just decide how nice it would be deep inside your heart if what you felt was actually reality?

I will address this again for you since the first time I wrote it, you went on a factless, illogical, emotional tirade.

It is a sociological FACT that human beings prefer to live amongst people who look and act as similarly as possible to themselves.

It is a sociological FACT that human beings will blame other ethnic groups for major crisis that occur within their country when they feel helpless. Remember the Japanese after Pearl Harbor and Arab-Americans getting death threats after 9/11? Those are reality. Your version is an illusion.

It is a historical fact that no nation has ever peacefully gone through a transition from the ethnic group that created the nation to another ethnic group taking power. You don't believe me? When the USSR collapsed the Russian population of the entire USSR just dropped below 50%. Same thing with Yugoslavia and Croatia.

You simply don't get it. You completely ignore everything factual and use only your emotions when responding.

America is the richest country in the world. Again it is a sociological fact that social tensions are at their lowest in a stable nation state such as the US when the economy is normal. Again another example. The massive deportation of Mexicans during the Great Depression of the 1920s.

See this is the difference betwen you and I. I can cite examples for absolutely everything I am stating while you can do nothing but shout back with angry emotions. I am not politically correct. I am not racist. I simply state the truth about human nature.

From a psychological perspective people will always turn on those who are different from them the moment a major problem occurs which does not threaten their lives, but threatens their comforts (ie great depression). And people will always turn to eachother when a major problem occurs that directly threatens their lives (ie World War 2).

I am sorry if you are one of those people who ignores history and human social behavior. But DO NOT throw your politically correct garbage terms of racist and nazi at me simply because I refuse to sugar coat reality for you.

You cannot give any examples to back up anything you say. All you have is a nation less than 240 years old under the most idealistic economic conditions any nation in the history of the world has ever had. And within that nation you still have one single ethnic population as over 70% of the population.

If what YOU say is true, then it will defy human nature and history. And don't worry sir, because in 40 years the white population will drop below 50%. And when the economic conditions deteriorate and other ethnic groups attempt to gain full political control, we will see if your version of America is real or just an illusion in your politically correct mind. Because right now, you can't even utter the word "success" when you mention America and diversity and expect to be taken seriously. Because any experiment done under the absolutely best circumstances has a great chance of success. But lets see what happens when the chips are down and people don't have jobs.

Lets see, will Japanese Americans be placed in "relocation camps" again as they were after Pearl Harbor. Will Mexicans be deported in mass numbers as they were during the Great Depression. Will Arab Americans be getting thousands more death threats like they got after 9/11? America has shown how it reacts to ethnic groups during times of hardship. And in all the examples, it was always BAD and RACIST. So why the hell do you think it all just magically changed overnight and the next time something really bad happens economically, the same thing won't happen? Oh the big difference between those events then and the ones coming in the future is the ethnic demographic. See back then it was over 90% white. When the next big bump in the road comes, it will be more like 50%. Then you have yourself a home grown Croatia, Bosnia, and Yugoslavia right in the USA. Welcome to ethnic civil war where 50% of the population blames 35% of the population for all the things that are going wrong.

Whos gonna get political control? Whos gonna start blaming the other ethnic group for the bad economic conditions? What are all the people without jobs gonna do? Just sit around and watch everything they worked for be taken away? Or perhaps they will do what psychologic examination of human beings under stress says they will do. What they have done for hundreds of years across every kind of nation. They will blame someone else for their misfortune, then talk about how good it was in the past when "pick your ethnic group" wasn't in our country, and how now that they are, things have gone to ****.

Wow. There's a whole lot of "shaking in your boots" talk here. Ideological nonesense that will never be realized. Good luck finding a country for white people, a country for black people, a country for brown people, etc. Don't look too hard though. It's futile. Some of the "truths" you speak of that were in your posts is called "common sense." Some of it is called rubbish, when considering what the successful regions and nations are - diverse and rich in culture and ethnics. There's a common theme to your posts - all bitching and complaining about having to share your precious life with people of a different color and culture.

I assure you that I have done a wealth of study into social behavior, history, and into civilizations. It's sort of my job. You see, I live this reality. I don't gain wisdom merely from a book. This is why I can scoff at your sentiments for what they are. I am sorry you are so ignorant and need to be selective about what you learn from history to support you personal inadequacies. There is absolutely nothing you could say that has any sort of progressive "FACT" associated with it. It is common sense that people prefer to be with their own kind. Your preaching is sophomoric. Your garbage (as I have noted for weeks) is mere emotion and racism. There is no real study put forth and absolutely no understanding of reality. This is life, son. You must work and play well with others. Dreams of "pure" societies is a waste of time. Why do you waste so much energy whining about something so trivial?

Your problems are personal and as I noted earlier, "angled" towards an agreeance. There's nothing more disgusting than a "PC" racist that hides behind what he calls "study." Especially, when it comes from a campus veteran, not quite seasoned by life yet. You don't fool me.

 

[Kelzie]

Good to see you have fun :smile:

There is a good chance he was a madman. Didn't he go through the city at night yelling things? Didn't he found a secret society who worshipped him as god or some kind of incarnation of god? The Druzes?

And? You think he killed all the Jews alone?

Almoravids and Almohads were fighting each other, too.

And? Still doesn't mean they weren't fighting the Jews,

There were marks with different colors for different religious minorities. This was not exclusive.

And? Doesn't mean the Jews weren't targeted.

Consider the state of the world at this time and the relativation in the original sentence.

The original sentence was this:

uhhh, yeah......except for that relative period of peace between _(when Islam was created exactly) and the 1930s when they began to take muslim land...

And it was incorrect. Regardless of if other facts surrounding it, the simple fact is that Muslims and Jews have been in conflict long, long before the creation of Israel.

 

[MSgt]

No you didn't, you presented a case for why America stands as an example for the world to follow and made assertions without evidence, presenting them as self-evident truths; implying that I am stupid or jealous for not accepting them.

I then chose not to respond seriously to you, because it was unfounded babble.



It's quite incredible that you can make the assertion without ever speaking to me, meeting me or knowing anything about my life and family history.

You are clearly demonstrating prejudice towards me simply because I am a National Socialist. That's not proof of anything!

Being a National Socialist is not proof of my personality and if you attempt to formulate an argument based solely on suspiciouns about my personality that is regarded as an ad hominem attack and clearly shows your inability to form intellectual arguments.



No, I come to this board to attempt some form of debate which contains some intellectual value. You have yet to demonstrate anything of intellectual value.

You have merely offered me the present establishment American world view and attempted to prove to me by making assertions without evidence that multi-culturalism is beneficial to your country.

You have also spewed up some "American dream" crap that I'd be surprised if anyone actually believed anymore.

The entire premise of your argument relies on your belief that America is a "better" country than the rest of the world. You obviously regard this as a self-evident truth. Quite frankly I find it boring and irrelevant to try and attempt to refute that.

If I was to seriously take the time out to rebut your argument it would require me having to waste my energy demonstrating facts that you are more than likely going to dismiss.

You can call that what you will. I'm simply not going to be drawn into a debate with someone who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about.



I find your arrogance to be startling.

Let me get this straight. Because I haven’t attempted to refute the fact that you believe America to be the best country in the world, that multi-culturalism and diversity have actually strengthened your country and because the German people are lazy I have no understanding of "my racism"?

:roll:



All of those countries allow their women an education. Also, all except Iran allow their women to receive higher education in all disciplines, where as Iran only allows women to practice 70 out of 169 disciplines.



This whole line of argument is actually based entirely on the fact that you believe America to be a shining example of greatness to the rest of the world. You believe in fact that this is so self-evident that anyone who does not agree is jealous or self-righteous or downright stupid. This is the sum of your argument!

Well, for your information I do not accept that America is an example to the rest of the world, of greatness or anything else for that matter. In fact, as New Orleans clearly demonstrated to the rest of the world, America considers their black people to be nothing more than dispensable.

If America is such a shining example of these moral standards you seem to be championing then why is it that your Federal government allowed thousands of these people to die?



Thank you, action man, for your concern for my intellectual development.



The jews aren't and weren't a myth, they were and are in fact very real.



One mans hate is another mans love, I suppose...



Well, as you so effortlessly and enjoyably keep reminding us, Germany never got to finish in the first place.



I'm not quite sure how you have arrived at this conclusion as the only reference to history I have made is to the condition of the German people in relation to jews before Hitler's rise to power. A comment which you have agreed with...



Again I'm not quite sure what you're referring to, but perhaps you are now saying that the German people were not in fact in absolute servitude? Can you clarify please?



Ad hominem attacks are not a substitute for an argument.



I guess we should all become Americans then?



What issues? You're not at all being clear about what issues I'm supposed to be understanding. You haven't refuted any of my racialist arguments in this thread, you have simply made statements which you obviously perceive to be fact about cultural integration and diversity.



When have I ever made a hateful speech? Please show me one...



Regarding what specifically? if you have an argument about something I have said then please refer to it directly. If you have a problem with something I have said then please quote it with your argument and I will respond

Bursting into a thread with your "set the record straight" posts in an attempt to put us all right is both tiresome and wholly arrogant. As if anything you had to say was more important than anyone else.

I'm sorry buster, that's just not the way it works.

Meh, you people are all the same. If you know one racist Nazi, you know them all. Mere labels, parties, and categories do not change what you are.

 

[Kelzie]

Meh, you people are all the same. If you know one racist Nazi, you know them all. Mere labels, parties, and categories do not change what you are.

:lol: Getting tired of it Gunny?

 

[Volker]

And? You think he killed all the Jews alone?

You said he ordered it. I don't know if someone did so.

And? Still doesn't mean they weren't fighting the Jews,

They fighted each other and Christians and whoever crossed their way.
There is a chance they fighted Jewish people, too.

And? Doesn't mean the Jews weren't targeted.

It was nothing special about Jewish people.

The original sentence was this:

And it was incorrect. Regardless of if other facts surrounding it, the simple fact is that Muslims and Jews have been in conflict long, long before the creation of Israel.

Now this starts again, a semantical discussion. Can a relative period of peace can be called a relative period of peace if this and that happened? I think, it can. You probably don't think so. I don't care much about it.

 

[Kelzie]

You said he ordered it. I don't know if someone did so.

They fighted each other and Christians and whoever crossed their way.
There is a chance they fighted Jewish people, too.

It was nothing special about Jewish people.

Now this starts again, a semantical discussion. Can a relative period of peace can be called a relative period of peace if this and that happened? I think, it can. You probably don't think so. I don't care much about it.

You obviously do since you're insisting that even though the Jews were killed, or forced to convert under pains of death, or driven from their homes, or made to wear badges it's still not proof of a long lasting conflict. That is one twisted definition of peace.

 

[Auftrag]

Meh, you people are all the same.

Likewise.

If you know one racist Nazi, you know them all.

That's called prejudice and it's exactly what you're accusing me of.

Mere labels, parties, and categories do not change what you are.

You clearly have no idea what I am?