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2019 set to be warmer than 2018 (1 Viewer)

Conspiracy Theories. Eugenics. Anything that discredits the thousands of scientists worldwide who study this issue, and know more about it than you could even fathom in your dreams. You should study the Flat Earth theory. It will probably really appeal to you.

The flat earth is what I think of with you warmers.

The beginning of the phase of the Dunning–Kruger effect. Once you realize there is far more than the simplicity the pundits keep telling you, you will realize how wrong you are, and that the earth was round all along.
 
Anthropogenic Global Warming is an extremely well established and testable scientific law in the same sense that evolution and gravity are well established scientific laws.
Global warming could be classed as a scientific law, but becomes a scientific theory once you attach "antropogenic" to it. A scientific law is a observed phenomena. Once you start trying to explain it, it is a scientific theory.

People who fear the implications of these laws can find comfort in the fact that all theoretical explanations for these scientific laws are in fact just theories, and will always be able to find a handful of self-proclaimed authorities with questionable credentials who can explain in great detail how every other scientist is mistaken and that they have the real facts.
I see you don't read the peer reviewed papers like most our resident warmers don't. Very, very few scientists write any papers I disagree with. At least with the language they use. Their papers however, can be interpreted differently because they are generally ambiguous.

Please find a paper you think I will disagree with, that is open access. Find the section you think I will agree with and quote it.

Global warming may be uncomfortable, but at this point in history climate change deniers are dwindling rapidly and those who do decide to cling to debunked conspiracy theories and abandon science will be remembered as irrationally contributing to the spread of ignorance in order to avoid personal discomfort.
There is only one, maybe two deniers in these threads. Your logical fallacy of claiming we see conspiracy where we see group-think is more ignorance on your part.
 
Global warming could be classed as a scientific law, but becomes a scientific theory once you attach "antropogenic" to it. A scientific law is a observed phenomena. Once you start trying to explain it, it is a scientific theory.

What is a scientific theory?
 
Global warming could be classed as a scientific law, but becomes a scientific theory once you attach "antropogenic" to it. A scientific law is a observed phenomena. Once you start trying to explain it, it is a scientific theory.


I see you don't read the peer reviewed papers like most our resident warmers don't. Very, very few scientists write any papers I disagree with. At least with the language they use. Their papers however, can be interpreted differently because they are generally ambiguous.

Please find a paper you think I will disagree with, that is open access. Find the section you think I will agree with and quote it.


There is only one, maybe two deniers in these threads. Your logical fallacy of claiming we see conspiracy where we see group-think is more ignorance on your part.

LOL.

A A whole lot of papers specify upfront that anthropogenic global warming is clearly established.

I guess you just don’t agree with the first sentence of those papers.
 
LOL.

A A whole lot of papers specify upfront that anthropogenic global warming is clearly established.

I guess you just don’t agree with the first sentence of those papers.

That doesn't make it scientific law.
 
Partially correct, but incomplete. Go on...

Go for it. You tell us why I'm wrong. Tell us how using an explanation in a observed phenomena makes it a scientific law.
 
Not my point.

But if you ever took an undergraduate course in science, you’d now there is no real distinction between a Law and s Theory.

If you say so. Your confirmation bias is too strong for me.

You are crying "not my point," when your response was no part of my point...

Think about your hypocrisy a moment please.
 
No damage, it just took 2 days to clean it.
Good.
Fortunately, I had a friend along to keep the passinger's seat dry!
And your shoes filling up with water to help keep the floor dry!
Needless to say, I didn't drive very fast.
Don't blame you! Nothing like driven rain visibility in car with no top!
The worst part was the sun shade, although it kept most of the rain out of my eyes, being just beyond the top of the windshield, the water ran down the inside of the windshield and all I had was a wax coated rag to clean it. It just smeared and made a mess but we got home safe.
Oh, it HAD to be wax covered! :doh Nothing like trying to wax the inside of your windshield in the pouring rain with a used rag!
Of course, we got a lot of funny looks on the way home!
I bet! People probably thought you were just a couple of idiots driving around with no top. They don't understand about the car show of course!
The bright side was that I took first place and got a nice trophy.

That's going to be a memorable show for you for quite awhile! :cool: Every time you look at that trophy!
 
Yet you think a guy with a high school degree who reads weather gauges is a scientist..

Nope. Reading a weather gauge is not creating a theory or testing it. It is making an observation. Science is not observations. It is a set of falsifiable theories.
 
Nope. That's not possible either. We don't have enough thermometers to uniformly space them across the Earth. If you start out with random garbage numbers to average out, you're going to end up with a random garbage average of those numbers. Temperatures can vary very drastically by the mile. We don't have enough thermometers in enough locations across the Earth (uniformly spaced) to come up with an accurate temperature of the Earth.
Interesting. Scientists use 3 different methods, and they track each other fairly well.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/surface-temperature-measurements-advanced.htm

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I was enlisted and spent two years with a squadron (VF-33) of Phantoms aboard
USS America CVA 66 1967-1970.
I thank you for your service, sir. It takes a special kind of pilot to land a Phantom on a pitching carrier at sea!
You are way ahead of me. What are you building?
It's called a Celerity. Is it a high speed cruiser (cruise 200mph) using a wood and moldless fiberglass structure. It's a low wing bird, when electrohydraulic retractable landing gear. A scratch built aircraft.
Started in 1980 when I was 36. I got my private license - took my brother & wife
up once and didn't fly again until 2012. I have the Cessna 152 (N6125B) I soloed
in and took my test in - really. I've got a little over 200 hours at this point. Took
me longer to get current than it took to get the license in the first place.
I currently hold a private instrument w/ tailwheel, weightshift, complex, and high power endorsements. I own a Cessna 150F, which I have outfitted with instrument landing capability. I also hold a A&P mechanics license. I currently have about 1200 hours in aircraft, and 0.5 hours in type 737. I fly fairly regularly, keeping current. I am now in the process of installing ADS-B to both aircraft. I also own a trike, currently undergoing a gear conversion from amphibious to land only, and rebuilding the fuel system on it. I've flown my Cessna as far as Boulder, CO. (based in Seattle area). Flew it to Copperstate in Arizona once. Won an award for that little Cessna there.
 
No, you don't know the history of the Eugenics Movement do you?


https://niflheimmedia.wordpress.com/2016/07/10/eugenics-and-climate-change/


Just a nice example to educate you. You need it.

I've seen this study. Although I respect Michael Crichton, he is not a Climatologist. He also has never said that he doesn't believe in AGW. As a matter-of-fact, he specifically said that his discussion should not lead anybody to that conclusion. Perhaps you're the one who needs to be educated.
 
I've seen this study. Although I respect Michael Crichton, he is not a Climatologist. He also has never said that he doesn't believe in AGW. As a matter-of-fact, he specifically said that his discussion should not lead anybody to that conclusion. Perhaps you're the one who needs to be educated.

Someone missed the point again. Have a nice day.
 
It is indeed. It's quite easy in fact, so long as you don't reject the efficacy of mathematics.
Void argument fallacy. It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth or to calculate it.
If you don't accept mathematics as an axiom,
Mathematics is not an axiom. It is a closed functional system.
then I guess we rather quickly arrived at the "agree to disagree" point.
Only if you want to claim random numbers as 'data'.
re: greenhouses
I didn't think so.
That's how greenhouses work. They reduce heat. They allow a similar amount of radiant heat from sunshine as outside the greenhouse, but they reduce convective heat.
But you do. You said that since the temperature varies by as much as 100 degrees Fahrenheit seasonally, that a global increase in the average temperature by a few degrees can't affect the ecosystem.
That is what I said.
That means you think that any plant or animal that can tolerate 100 degree seasonal changes can also tolerate an average increase in global temperatures.
They do every hear.
If plants and animals in the northern latitudes can tolerate such drastic seasonal changes, doesn't it stand to reason that they could tolerate much less drastic seasonal changes?
Why not?
If that's true, then plants and animals adapted for northern latitudes should thrive in equatorial latitudes. Do you agree with this? If not, why not?
Some can, some can't. Compositional error fallacy.False equivalence fallacy. Latitude is not the season. Some plants and animals from temperate or even polar environments can adapt to equatorial environments, some can't. Those in temperate environments do undergo seasonal changes of temperatures that wide every single year.
 
Conspiracy Theories. Eugenics. Anything that discredits the thousands of scientists worldwide who study this issue, and know more about it than you could even fathom in your dreams. You should study the Flat Earth theory. It will probably really appeal to you.

Compositional error fallacy. False equivalence fallacy. False authority fallacy. Non-sequitur fallacy. Insult fallacy.
 
Anthropogenic Global Warming is an extremely well established and testable scientific law
Global Warming is not a theory of science or a law. It is a religion. If you feel it's a law, state the equation here and now.
in the same sense that evolution and gravity are well established scientific laws.
The Theory of Evolution is not a theory of science. It is not falsifiable. Science has no theories about past unobserved events. They are not falsifiable.

There is no theory or law of gravity. Gravity simply is.

The age of a theory has no bearing on its validity. Any theory of science could be falsified in the next few seconds.

People who fear the implications of these laws can find comfort in the fact that all theoretical explanations for these scientific laws are in fact just theories,
All laws of of science are based on a theory of science. A law of science is nothing more than a theory of science formalized into a closed functional system.
and will always be able to find a handful of self-proclaimed authorities with questionable credentials who can explain in great detail how every other scientist is mistaken and that they have the real facts.
Science isn't 'facts'. A 'fact' is not a Universal Truth. Learn what a 'fact' means. Science isn't credentials, licenses, certifications, etc. No university, government agency, scientist, or group of scientists, own science. Science is a set of falsifiable theories. Theories are explanatory arguments.
Global warming may be uncomfortable,
Define 'global warming'. This is a meaningless buzzword that an entire religion has formed around.
but at this point in history climate change
Define 'climate change'. Another meaningless buzzword. Neither of these two phrase can be defined as anything but themselves.
deniers are dwindling rapidly
Denial of history fallacy (revisionism). Inversion fallacy. More and more people are recognizing that the Church of Global Warming is a fundamentalist style religion.
and those who do decide to cling to debunked conspiracy theories
Did you know conspiracies actually exist? Those trying to implement socialism is one of them.
and abandon science
It is YOU that is abandoning science. The 'greenhouse' effect ignores and denies the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth.
will be remembered as irrationally
The 'greenhouse' effect argument also produces an indirect paradox. Arguing both sides of a paradox is irrationality.
contributing to the spread of ignorance
Inversion fallacy.
in order to avoid personal discomfort.
What discomfort? YOU are the ones trying to turn everything upside down to 'solve' a 'problem' that doesn't need solving!
 
Funny how it tracks well with a major variable called population growth...

Population growth which causes rural and urban development, which in turn reduced evaporation cooling, which increases temperature...

As I stated earlier, there were probably more Animal Kingdom beings roaming the planet in the middle ages than there are now - incests, birds, wild animals, larger animals, etc. I will agree, that more PEOPLE have exacerbated the problem - burning more FOSSIL FUELS.
 

And your shoes filling up with water to help keep the floor dry!

Yeah. funny thing is, the water does run down on your knee, the dip between the fender and the hood acts like a rain spout.

Don't blame you! Nothing like driven rain visibility in car with no top!

The windshield is not very high. Rain drops hitting you in the eyes kinda stings for a moment.

Oh, it HAD to be wax covered! :doh Nothing like trying to wax the inside of your windshield in the pouring rain with a used rag!

I use a waterless car wash/wax on it when I get to car shows, the stuff really makes it shine. The rag I used was the only one I had up front.

I bet! People probably thought you were just a couple of idiots driving around with no top. They don't understand about the car show of course!

Yeah, they had that "you guys are idiots" look on their faces.

That's going to be a memorable show for you for quite awhile! :cool: Every time you look at that trophy!

Memorable for sure. We laugh about it often. When someone asks who in their right mind would spend $40 on gas and drive an
hour in the pouring rain in a race car with no top for a $20 trophy, I can smile and say...Yup, I did that :)
 
As I stated earlier, there were probably more Animal Kingdom beings roaming the planet in the middle ages than there are now - incests, birds, wild animals, larger animals, etc. I will agree, that more PEOPLE have exacerbated the problem - burning more FOSSIL FUELS.

Fossils don't burn, dude. You don't know how many animals are on the Earth, either back then or now.
 
Yeah. funny thing is, the water does run down on your knee, the dip between the fender and the hood acts like a rain spout.



The windshield is not very high. Rain drops hitting you in the eyes kinda stings for a moment.



I use a waterless car wash/wax on it when I get to car shows, the stuff really makes it shine. The rag I used was the only one I had up front.



Yeah, they had that "you guys are idiots" look on their faces.



Memorable for sure. We laugh about it often. When someone asks who in their right mind would spend $40 on gas and drive an
hour in the pouring rain in a race car with no top for a $20 trophy, I can smile and say...Yup, I did that :)

And be proud of it, no less! Yup. you did that. I've been there too, but with airplanes.:mrgreen:
 

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