2012 or Never

[Thunder]

Interesting, thought our military got Bin Laden but obama took credit for it. Nuke Treaty with Russia got us what?..

Obama made the very tough call, which could have ruined his chances of re-election if the mission failed. A new nuke treaty with Russia gets us a safer world, something you clearly don't care about.

 

[randel]

Interesting, thought our military got Bin Laden but obama took credit for it. Nuke Treaty with Russia got us what? You really are brainwashed and out of touch with reality. Tough dealing with a leftwing ideologue

don't pretend that you wouldnt have been first in line to crucify the President if the operation to get bin laden had failed, and cost American lifes, you would have been screaming at the top of your lungs that he was 'just like carter'....so yeah, he gets some of the credit for a successful operation....your just pissed that your boy W didnt get the job done.

 

[Thunder]

don't pretend that you wouldnt have been first in line to crucify the President if the operation to get bin laden had failed, and cost American lifes, you would have been screaming at the top of your lungs that he was 'just like carter'....so yeah, he gets some of the credit for a successful operation....your just pissed that your boy W didnt get the job done.

after 7 damn years. hell, if he didn't invade Iraq, I have zero doubts we would have snuffed OBL by 2004.

 

[AdamT]

I keep wondering how long you can put up with someone apologizing for America. Apparently a lot longer. There is no reason to vote for Obama unless you are a leftwing ideologue with a socialist agenda

Yeah, that would never happen under a Republican president, like your boy Shrub! :2rofll:

President Bush has apologized to Iraq's prime minister for an American sniper's shooting of a Quran, and the Iraqi government called on U.S. military commanders to educate their soldiers to respect local religious beliefs.

Bush's spokeswoman said Tuesday that the president apologized during a videoconference Monday with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who told the president that the shooting of Islam's holy book had disappointed and angered both the Iraqi people and their leaders.

"He apologized for that in the sense that he said that we take it very seriously," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. "We are concerned about the reaction. We wanted them to know that the president knew that this was wrong."

 

[Conservative]

Obama made the very tough call, which could have ruined his chances of re-election if the mission failed. A new nuke treaty with Russia gets us a safer world, something you clearly don't care about.

You really are very naive, aren't you? Intelligence on Bin Laden was gathered over years and glad we got Bin Laden but what does that do to make us safer? Has the Arab Spring made us safer? How about Iran's development of a Nuke, has that made us safer? We got nothing out of Russia on the Nuke ban as they still support Iran and are preventing major sanctions from taking place. Keep buying the rhetoric and showing your true liberal compassion as 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans haven't benefited from the Obama economy. You obviously need Obama to save you from yourself and poor choices.

 

[Thunder]

....You obviously need Obama to save you from yourself and poor choices.

hmmm....project much?

 

[Thunder]

...Intelligence on Bin Laden was gathered over years and glad we got Bin Laden but what does that do to make us safer?....

OBL was the inspiring face behind Al Qaeda. Removing him, and removing the inspiration, has made us safer. I only wish I could have been the one to put a bullet in his brain, double-tap.

 

[randel]

hmmm....project much?

indeed he does.....

 

[TheNextEra]

Do you realize that tax cuts mean businesses keep more of the money they have earned? Why do you believe we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt?

You do realize I care about America as a whole and not just corporations like you do. Funny how you and other conservatives had no problem (cause you voted him in twice) with Bush spending, but now you do? Bull****, go back in the hole hypocrite. At least I'm not voting for Obama twice, you voted for Bush twice you have NO ROOM to talk on that one.

 

[TheNextEra]

Without business, who do you expect will drive the economy and generate the income that Americans need to exist?

There is a difference between a coporation acting FOR America and not. Learn the difference.

I have no problem if a corporation wants to focus on money, then don't expect subsidies, tax cuts, etc from the government.

 

[TheNextEra]

The November elections cannot come soon enough

I haven't seen so many conservatives looking forward to Obama getting re-elected.

 

[Conservative]

You do realize I care about America as a whole and not just corporations like you do. Funny how you and other conservatives had no problem (cause you voted him in twice) with Bush spending, but now you do? Bull****, go back in the hole hypocrite. At least I'm not voting for Obama twice, you voted for Bush twice you have NO ROOM to talk on that one.

So Obama with worse numbers than Bush deserves your vote? Who should a Conservative have voted for, Gore? Kerry? Why would any conservative vote for either of them? I had two choices, Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. Guess logic and common sense escape you

 

[Conservative]

I haven't seen so many conservatives looking forward to Obama getting re-elected.

If the people are stupid enough to vote for him again, they deserve what they get. Obama will lose TX by 3 million votes because Texans understand personal responsibility.

 

[AdamT]

If the people are stupid enough to vote for him again, they deserve what they get. Obama will lose TX by 3 million votes because Texans understand personal responsibility.

Is that why y'all favored Obama over your own governor ... before he bombed out of the race?

 

[randel]

If the people are stupid enough to vote for him again, they deserve what they get. Obama will lose TX by 3 million votes because Texans understand personal responsibility.

and conservative will definitely lose michigan, california, new york........

 

[TheNextEra]

So Obama with worse numbers than Bush deserves your vote? Who should a Conservative have voted for, Gore? Kerry? Why would any conservative vote for either of them? I had two choices, Bush vs. Gore and Bush vs. Kerry. Guess logic and common sense escape you

Do you not pay attention ever? I'm not voting for Obama, but please continue to use that strawman and look like a fool.

As for voting for Bush twice as president, you clearly chose ideology over America. Not suprising.

 

[TheNextEra]

If the people are stupid enough to vote for him again, they deserve what they get. Obama will lose TX by 3 million votes because Texans understand personal responsibility.

No, what Texas undersatands is getting as much Government money as possible. Not personal responsibility.

Obama may not get Texas, but the GOP will lose the election. I'm willing to bet money on it and from your diversions when asked, you aren't.

So how confident are you again? You're not cause you can't put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Conservative]

Do you not pay attention ever? I'm not voting for Obama, but please continue to use that strawman and look like a fool.

As for voting for Bush twice as president, you clearly chose ideology over America. Not suprising.

Of course I voted for Bush twice because the alternative would have been Gore or Kerry. as for not voting for Obama we have something in common

 

[Conservative]

No, what Texas undersatands is getting as much Government money as possible. Not personal responsibility.

Obama may not get Texas, but the GOP will lose the election. I'm willing to bet money on it and from your diversions when asked, you aren't.

So how confident are you again? You're not cause you can't put your money where your mouth is.

As I have stated many times betting on an election is foolish in my opinion especially with someone in an internet debate forum. Makes no sense to me but it also makes no sense that the kids of today are so brainwashed that they have no idea what Obama has done nor do they seem to care.

 

[AdamT]

As I have stated many times betting on an election is foolish in my opinion especially with someone in an internet debate forum. Makes no sense to me but it also makes no sense that the kids of today are so brainwashed that they have no idea what Obama has done nor do they seem to care.

In other words, you don't put your money where your mouth is.

Personally I bet someone on a forum $500 that Obama would be reelected ... about two years ago.

 

[Captain America]

I will bet anybody here ten bucks Obama wins. But I will make that bet with only one person and that person has to have some integrity about them to assure I am not betting against someone who would skip out on their bet. Problem is, most folks here, that believe Obama is going to lose, does not possess that quality. BUT if there is one out there, I will make that bet. Loser has to donate 10 bucks to Debate Politics. Any takers?

 

[Catawba]

No way bro! I'm not betting the GOP wins. Not happening. I'll agree to the terms I outlined. I think those are fair. But any bet that involves the GOP having to win is a no-go for me lol.

Smart stance!

 

[Catawba]

Small wonder the business elite are so keen on destroying the union movement; bigger share of the national income for them. Class warfare rages on.

I think they will discover it was a poor policy come November.

 

[Sparky]

The biggest numbers come from the supplier network and the surrounding communities that rely on them. If it makes you feel better, call it one to two million. :shrug:!

How did bailing out Chrysler and GM effect the surrounding comunities and even if it did effect the surrounding comunities, how does that add up to MILLIONS jobs being saved?

Why can't conservatives look at the facts --

I am NOT a concervative. I'm a moderate independent swing voter....... and I am looking at the facts and the facts are pointing in the opposite direction of your claims.

23 consecutive months of jobs growth, bull market, record corporate profits, consistent manufacturing growth, best consumer confidence in years -- and admit that the stimulus worked? You can do it!

23 CONSECUTIVE MONTHS of job growth? This unemployement chart states otherwise that job loss rate grew from 7.5 percent to 10 percent during those 23 months and that doesn't factor into the data of the people that used up all their unemployment benefits.

I am looking at the facts and the facts are proving that the stimulus failed.

I'm not saying this to attack you but you need to do some nonpartisan research on facts that you're clinging to believe in.

 

[Thunder]

...
I am looking at the facts and the facts are proving that the stimulus failed....

stock market is up 55% since Obama took office. Unemploment down almost 2% since its high.

GDP is now at 3%. It looks like the stimulus stopped the Recession in its tracks, and rolled it back.