2 Israeli Embassy staff members killed in shooting outside of event at the Capital Jewish Museum in Washington, DC

[Master Debator]

You remind me of the Norm MacDonald joke. Goes like, "I think it would be terrible for some rogue Jihadists to get hold of a dirty bomb, and kill a bunch of people, because the blowback to innocent Muslims would be horrific."

Is the joke supposed to ignorantly be that there are no innocent Muslims?

 

[Sweden]

If Gaza is a prison it could be because a lot of Palestinians keep committing crimes, ever since the hijacking of the Achille Lauro in '85.

Partisans of Palestine generally tend to say, "there can only be peace if Palestine gets everything it wants." But what proof can anyone offer that Palestine, under the control of Hamas, will quietly fold its tents and go back to being good citizens (last seen prior to the existence of Israel)? I'm not claiming that Israel has not been a bad "prison guard." But the idea that Palestine is innocent of repeated crimes is absurd.

Consider that Hamas' entire scheme since October 7 has been to place Palestinian citizens in harm's way in order to get them killed and to excite worldwide public outrage against Israel. You can believe that everything Israel has ever done to curb Palestinian terrorism is unjustified, okay. But if the governing body of Palestine exploits its own citizens in that manner, simply in order to steal a march on Israel, why would they stop such exploitation if Palestine gets total autonomy? This simplistic belief, that if you open all the prisons the criminals will be grateful and become good citizens, has never worked before and never can.

Indeed. One point though. There is a growing tendency to call the Gaza strip 'Palestine', or at least part of that uncertain and vaguely delimited territory. And to call those living in Gaza 'Palestinians' which is even more doubtful.

 

[Sweden]

Is the joke supposed to ignorantly be that there are no innocent Muslims?

Plenty of good Muslims but no such thing as benign Islam.

 

[Master Debator]

Plenty of good Muslims but no such thing as benign Islam.

Why is that?

 

[Sweden]

Why is that?

Why? Because Islam is a supremely intolerant totalitarian philosophy; the enemy of freedom and democracy.

 

[Phys251]

If Gaza is a prison it could be because a lot of Palestinians keep committing crimes, ever since the hijacking of the Achille Lauro in '85.

Partisans of Palestine generally tend to say, "there can only be peace if Palestine gets everything it wants." But what proof can anyone offer that Palestine, under the control of Hamas, will quietly fold its tents and go back to being good citizens (last seen prior to the existence of Israel)? I'm not claiming that Israel has not been a bad "prison guard." But the idea that Palestine is innocent of repeated crimes is absurd.

Consider that Hamas' entire scheme since October 7 has been to place Palestinian citizens in harm's way in order to get them killed and to excite worldwide public outrage against Israel. You can believe that everything Israel has ever done to curb Palestinian terrorism is unjustified, okay. But if the governing body of Palestine exploits its own citizens in that manner, simply in order to steal a march on Israel, why would they stop such exploitation if Palestine gets total autonomy? This simplistic belief, that if you open all the prisons the criminals will be grateful and become good citizens, has never worked before and never can.

Do you support the collective punishment of the Palestinians?

 

[Sweden]

Do you support the collective punishment of the Palestinians?

Who are "the Palestinians"?

 

[Phys251]

Who are "the Palestinians"?

Residents of Palestine, obviously. Now answer the question.

 

[Sweden]

Residents of Palestine, obviously. Now answer the question.

Where is Palestine? Where are its boundaries? Which areas does it comprise? If you ask a question about "Palestine" you should be able to define its location.

 

[Phys251]

Where is Palestine? Where are its boundaries? Which areas does it comprise? If you ask a question about "Palestine" you should be able to define its location.

 

[Master Debator]

Why? Because Islam is a supremely intolerant totalitarian philosophy; the enemy of freedom and democracy.

Its Christians in this country who were and are intolerant to the liberty and freedom of people like me. I don't view that as a mark on all of Christianity but on those particular people who happened to be Christian.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Didn't this dumb dumb understand this is only going to give more support to the people fighting Hamas in Gaza?

That more people, not fewer, will support the invasion of Gaza?

 

[Ouroboros]

Is the joke supposed to ignorantly be that there are no innocent Muslims?

Nope, it's that Mad Lib priorities are skewed because they fried their brains a long time ago.

 

[Ouroboros]

Do you support the collective punishment of the Palestinians?

I support Palestinians taking matters in their own hands and turning on the Hamas scum who use them as cannon fodder.

 

[iguanaman]

Those who engage in the demonisation of Israel - like several here on DP - should accept some responsibility for these murders but of course they won't. Instead they wil preen and posture in the warm glow of self righteousness.

The irony is that the pro-Russia faction is also the most anti-Palestinian. They forget that HAMAS was armed and trained with Russian help and Iran is Putin's ally.

 

[iguanaman]

I support Palestinians taking matters in their own hands and turning on the Hamas scum who use them as cannon fodder.

Remember that HAMAS got the millions of dollars a month in arab donations that made Gaza function and the only way to survive there was through salaries or handouts from them. The Palestinians were basically hostages.

 

[Ouroboros]

Didn't this dumb dumb understand this is only going to give more support to the people fighting Hamas in Gaza?

That more people, not fewer, will support the invasion of Gaza?

Fanatics aren't concerned with anything like actual consequences. Bin Laden thought that if he gave the US a bloody nose, the country would fold up like the storied paper tiger. Instead, the "tiger" invaded and devastated two countries and eventually put a bullet through Bin Ladin's skull while he was being sheltered by one of our supposed allies. Rodriguez may be more of a Socialist fanatic than a Muslim one-- hard to be sure at this point-- but I suspect he envisioned dozens of other fanatics rising up to attack Jews and having some cumulative impact that would cause the US to abjure Israel.

 

[Ouroboros]

Remember that HAMAS got the millions of dollars a month in arab donations that made Gaza function and the only way to survive there was through salaries or handouts from them. The Palestinians were basically hostages.

They might try reading Marx's screed; that the only way to prevent a privileged class from controlling the means of production is the way of violent revolt, after which the former lower class gains control of the means of production.

 

[Master Debator]

Nope, it's that Mad Lib priorities are skewed because they fried their brains a long time ago.

Throwing your feelings at me is only going to amuse me. You don't have to make believe people who have different priorities than you are brain damaged but if you're going to I do appreciate that you do so publicly.

 

[Aristaeus]

No you are absolutely incorrect and this is because you do not understand what standard of proof is required to prove Israel has commited a war crime. I can try explain but I doubt you will read my explanation.

At this time the basis being claimed for genocide against Israel comes from Amnesty International which relies on INDIRECT circumstantial evidence but not direct evidence.to infer genocide However to be able to infer npt just genocide or any war crime in law you must still be able to prove that the only reasonable inference that can be drawn from Israel’s military conduct in Gaza.is genocide.

SImply assuming because Gaza civilians die which is what Amnesty is doing by itself proves war crimes and/or genocide is NOT sufficient legal evidence.

To successfully argue there is genocide or war crimes by inference the accuser must show there was/is no other purpose in Gaza for the IDF to have done and do what it does other than to wipe out Palestinians. Yoiu mjust prove there is NO OTHER reasonable explanation for what the IDF does.

To do that the ICC accusers and Amnesty have deliberately ignored what Hamas has done and is still doing that is directly related to why the IDF does what it does. The ICC accusers and Amnesty engage in this exclusion because of their political bias which incorrectly omits considering Hamas' role and instead simply isolates what the IDF does or has done in a vacuum with no consideration of Hamas interrelated actions.

That is akin to saying if a man points a loaded gun at your head and younshoot him with your gun, the Judge excludes any consideration of the gun pointed at your head as the reason you pulled your gun and shot him-the Judge just asks-did you pull a gun and shoot, and if the answer is yes you are guilty of a crime.

Now legal determination does not do that It looks at the entire chain of events. It doesn't politically isolate and select only certain portions of the event to determine a crime.

This slective bias of considering IDF actions in the absence of inter-related Hamas actions prevents the proper legal analysis required to determine any criminality.

I repeat again criminal legal analysis and the definition of both genocide and war crime does not operate in a vacuum-the analysis considers the full extent, cause, intent and nature of a crime. It has to look at the entire chain of events and sequences and break them down one step at a time when considering the elements required to prove a crime.

For all those reasons your comments are legally incorrect.

You do realise there's an arrest warrant currently out for Netanyahu for war crimes?

Targeting journalists, using starvation as a weapon of war, the use of phosphorus bombs, all war crimes that Israel has committed.

 

[Ouroboros]

Throwing your feelings at me is only going to amuse me. You don't have to make believe people who have different priorities than you are brain damaged but if you're going to I do appreciate that you do so publicly.

You asked what the meaning of the joke was, since you found it impossible to follow, and I helpfully told you the meaning. No feelings were involved, except my feeling of amusement at your pathetic attempt to re-interpret the MacDonald joke for your agenda.

 

[Master Debator]

You asked what the meaning of the joke was, since you found it impossible to follow, and I helpfully told you the meaning.

Because I wanted to know what it meant to you and you shared those sentiments in the most hilarious of ways.

No feelings were involved, except my feeling of amusement at your pathetic attempt to re-interpret the MacDonald joke for your agenda.

Sure.... You thinking Libs are Mad and brain damaged arent your feelings. Those are objective things. They're not make believe at all.....

 

[Apocalypse]

You do realise there's an arrest warrant currently out for Netanyahu for war crimes?

Targeting journalists, using starvation as a weapon of war, the use of phosphorus bombs, all war crimes that Israel has committed.

Politically motivated arrest warrants from clownish morally corrupt institutions is not a substitute for moral and logical basis to holding an opinion.
None of what you said here, with the exception of the usage of WP shells which Israel used legally and not to target civilians with, is something that actually happened.

 

[Ouroboros]

Because I wanted to know what it meant to you and you shared those sentiments in the most hilarious of ways.

Sure.... You thinking Libs are Mad and brain damaged arent your feelings. Those are objective things. They're not make believe at all.....

No, either you didn't understand the meaning of the MacDonald joke or you did understand it and chose to distort it.

Jokes depend on feelings, and you indulged in no less feeling than MacDonald when you tried to reverse his meaning to serve your feeling-based agenda.

 

[Master Debator]

No, either you didn't understand the meaning of the MacDonald joke or you did understand it and chose to distort it.

I don't know what MacDonald meant by that joke and he isn't around to tell me. All you can tell me is what that joke meant to you. You trying to tell me what that joke meant to MacDonald is you doing literal make believe.

Jokes depend on feelings, and you indulged in no less feeling than MacDonald when you tried to reverse his meaning to serve your feeling-based agenda.

I'm happy to share my feelings that I think it's tragic when anyone is killed by a radical fundamentalist of any religion regardless of their religion. I'm not ashamed of my sentiments. You're the one pretending your sentiments arent your sentiments. Why? Why the fragility?