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1,800 dead US troops in Iraq? Try 9,000.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1709.htm
"There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded (and a published total of 25,000 wounded overall,), this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,800+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded (This figure is now over 24,000 Ed) and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers, rapes, courts martial and so on
Billo_Really said:What the government doesn't want you to know is this war is taking a far greater toll on us than the media is letting on. The Pentagon will not allow the caskets coming back to be shown to the country. I find this odd in a supposedly free society. What are they trying to hide? Possibly this?
1,800 dead US troops in Iraq? Try 9,000.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1709.htm
"There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded (and a published total of 25,000 wounded overall,), this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,800+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. The DoD lists currently being very quietly circulated indicate almost 9,000 dead, over 16,000 seriously wounded (This figure is now over 24,000 Ed) and a large number of suicides, forced hospitalization for ongoing drug usage and sales, murder of Iraqi civilians and fellow soldiers, rapes, courts martial and so on
The Truth-Bringer said:Whos Post is Quote "BS"
Unless you have seen the DoD list they are referring too, this is just your opinion that it is "BS". Why act like this is so outrageous? The media is not allowed to show pics of the coffins coming back. So it is apparent that the military very secretive when it comes to US casualties and the dead. So again, why would this be outrageous? You don't hide things when you have nothing to hide. You also have a government that keeps changing its story on this war. So, what's up with that?Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon:
This is BS.
Iriemon said:Actually, the term "casualties" includes the wounded, so US casualties are more like 15,000, even without accepting the theory that the Govt is hiding the number actually dead. (Which I don't buy.)
Welcome to Debate Politics!Originally Posted by Nez Dragon:
Educated rumor? Let me supply a translation for that oxymoron: "leftshit"
This is nothing more than a crap propaganda scheme. Unless you come up with intelligent reliable information, I should not be wasting my time here.
I've already looked into it and found it quite wanting. It is, technically possible, but highly, highly improbable.Billo_Really said:Unless you have seen the DoD list they are referring too, this is just your opinion that it is "BS". Why act like this is so outrageous? The media is not allowed to show pics of the coffins coming back. So it is apparent that the military very secretive when it comes to US casualties and the dead. So again, why would this be outrageous? You don't hide things when you have nothing to hide. You also have a government that keeps changing its story on this war. So, what's up with that?
In the realm of possibilities, this could very well be true.
Simon, your a lot better when your objective.
I'm not sure if you care, but it's not a leftist website.ILikeDubyah said:How about finding a non-partisan source that backs up what the leftist website says?
Simon W. Moon said:I'm not sure if you care, but it's not a leftist website.
ILikeDubyah's a commmie.ILikeDubyah said:Did you read the "about us" section of the site? I would think if you've ever been referred to as a "Commie" you're probably somewhere VERY left of the middle.
Simon W. Moon said:I'm not sure if you care, but it's not a leftist website.
Billo_Really said:The source of the story is not the issue. It is, "Are there 9000 dead?" I certainly do not know for sure. But I'm definately not going to get distracted by trying to change the subject to the source of the story.
I will just say I'm more inclinded to believe it for now. Not because of any political affiliations. But because of the track record of lies, dis-information, changes in goals and misleading statements coming out of Washington to date, that has made me very leary of what they say is the truth.
There are many posts that cannot be confirmed. Why do you say, "...this can't be objectively considered reliable?" Do you have a source litmus test to offer?Originally posted by cnredd:
If you do not "know for sure", then why on EARTH did you post it? Why would ANYONE, let alone someone who's been here as long as you have, want to post something that isn't confirmed or can't be objectively considered reliable?
Its a poison to "actual debate"....
You weren't obviously saying this?Billo_Really said:There are many posts that cannot be confirmed. Why do you say, "...this can't be objectively considered reliable?" Do you have a source litmus test to offer?
More importantly is why did you put my post in quotes and included it with yours when you are obviously responding to something I wasn't saying?
Billo_Really said:The source of the story is not the issue. It is, "Are there 9000 dead?" I certainly do not know for sure. But I'm definately not going to get distracted by trying to change the subject to the source of the story.
I will just say I'm more inclinded to believe it for now. Not because of any political affiliations. But because of the track record of lies, dis-information, changes in goals and misleading statements coming out of Washington to date, that has made me very leary of what they say is the truth.
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