12-Foot, Overweight Black Woman Statue Erected In Times Square As 'Contrast' To 'White Men' Hero Statues (1 Viewer)

[Deuce]

So no consistent proof? Columbus was interested in trade, not the slave trade. Just like many claim he did genocide, when it was disease, that the indigenous population had no natural immunity’s.

Columbus was so brutal he was brought back to Europe in chains.

Too much of a shithead. For colonial era Spain.

 

[anatta]

The artist never mentioned anything about DEI

The Times Square Arts association presents a big word salad on its official website for the bronze statue (it will stay standing until June 17) created by artist Thomas J Price, but then, buried deep in the word salad, we get an interesting nugget.

a stark contrast to the pedestaled permanent monuments — both white, both men — which bookend Duffy Square, while embodying a quiet gravity and grandeur," the Times Square Arts group says on its site.

The OP author calls the "word salad" description on artists web.. and mentions a "nugget" - which I italizied .
I'll not argue if that "nugget" is DEI..I already did on this thread

 

[trumptman]

I think Trump destroying our reputation as a country to visit will have far more negative impacts than a statue in Times Square.

You are welcome to think that except Trump's support has grown every election cycle.

Meanwhile NYC's population continues to shrink.

 

[Xilnik]

You are welcome to think that except Trump's support has grown every election cycle.

Meanwhile NYC's population continues to shrink.

I'm not sure what either of those points has to do with what I said, but I'm sure you felt it was a winning response.

 

[Bodi]

the statue is a generic black woman..an "every man" (commoner) type work of art.
After looking at it all day it just looks black block - poorly defined black female .
The purpose of it is it placement as a DEI counter to the other 2 "white guys" statues. Such is what passes for art these day. advocate trash

So you are saying it is a political statement?


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[ElChupacabra]

You are welcome to think that except Trump's support has grown every election cycle.

Meanwhile NYC's population continues to shrink.

Does it?

Mayor Adams Celebrates Two Consecutive Years of Population Growth in New York City

New York City Mayor Adams Celebrates Two Consecutive Years of Population Growth in New York City

www.nyc.gov

Modest numbers, but not shrinking. One year does not a trend make, and there's been population lost for the past few years even prior to the pandemic.

 

[braindrain]

What point? The one about your opinion? I'm not here to fight you on your opinions, only to bask in amusement of them.

The point that you are incapable of being embarrassed by your own racism while whining about other people’s racism.

And you have proven it rather convincingly.

 

[Safiel]

I was expecting a statue of Mammy Two Shoes by looking at the thread title.

Slightly more contemporary woman depicted.

 

[anatta]

So you are saying it is a political statement?


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It's DEI activist art as statement. yes i think it's political

 

[trumptman]

Does it?

Mayor Adams Celebrates Two Consecutive Years of Population Growth in New York City

New York City Mayor Adams Celebrates Two Consecutive Years of Population Growth in New York City

www.nyc.gov

Modest numbers, but not shrinking. One year does not a trend make, and there's been population lost for the past few years even prior to the pandemic.

Sorry all the Biden population growth of illegal immigrants are going to be deported.

NY has 670K residents who are illegal migrants — including 42,300 undocumented restaurant workers

The report from the liberal-leaning Fiscal Policy Institute revealed an underground economy of migrant workers in the Empire State.

nypost.com

They were going to just replace the peasants they didn't serve with serfs.

 

[trumptman]

I'm not sure what either of those points has to do with what I said, but I'm sure you felt it was a winning response.

I'll agree you aren't sure about many points.

 

[Citizen]

He's not wrong at face value. When discussing prejudice, the main concern is treating people in oppressed groups as "other," which is what happens when we celebrate the achievements of "The First [nonwhite male] to [achieve X]." But that's only surface-level thinking. What Trump and those in favor of expunging such history miss is that the first people to achieve most accolades will be white men. Much of that is because women and minorities lacked access to those opportunities until around the middle of the last century, when they were finally able to enter the workforce. Even then, it wasn't until the past 30–40 years that they could truly compete for the same positions.

DEI does have issues, but instead of removing it, it should be redefined to address concerns while still encouraging diversity and raising awareness of biases. Rejecting DEI entirely ignores why it was introduced in the first place—those issues still exist, as exemplified in this thread. I'd like to see DEI become more dynamic in how we approach the challenges it highlights, finding solutions that foster equality without undermining the very principles it promotes.

Everything black is not DEI. Some erects a stay and it is called DEI. A mayor or governor who is elected to offhand happens to be black is called a DEI hire. A police officer who shoots a jan 6 rioter is called a DEI hire. DEI is now used to degrade black people. To say they are not as qualified as white people when we all know that black people have to be more qualified or overly qualified to get the same job as a white man.

As far as stating the first black who did this or the first black who did that does seem meaningless unless you are taught the history as to why it is significant to recognize the first black. It is because black people were restricted to excel. But the first this or that is not the black history that is being erased. The history of slavery, Jim Crow, Tuskegee Airmen, Rosa Parks etc, is what is being erased. Also firing black people and saying they were only hired because of DEI is wrong.

 

[Citizen]

You claim I'm the one with the problem when NYC spends time, energy and money on crap like this.

When people decide not to go to NYC or Times Square, at some point that has a cost.

LOL, NYC has no problem with tourism. I was there two months ago, believe me, there were more people in the streets than you can imagine. Besides, that has nothing to do with people living there. You probably never been to NY in your life. Temporary erections of statues is a very common thing in NYC and is financed by private corporations.

NYC is a very diverse city with a variety of traditions. No one who lives there or visits regularly would be angered or surprised by this statue. I am not sure why it offends you so much

 

[Citizen]

nothing in my post you responded to mentioned "black people". I understand DEI break everyone down to a disadvantaged score and use that to insure equity of outcome where metrics are involved.. DEI was growing unchecked like a cancer under Biden. It became the main reason for many agencies and sub- functionaries as a mission

We are talking about equity. You appear to think that equity has something to do with hiring unqualified black people. If not, then what is the purpose of you post?

 

[Citizen]

The OP author calls the "word salad" description on artists web.. and mentions a "nugget" - which I italizied .
I'll not argue if that "nugget" is DEI..I already did on this thread

That’s your interpretation. Based on racism

Current — Thomas J Price

www.thomasjprice.com

There is nothing in the description that implies DEI. Read it for yourself

 

[Jagged]

You claim I'm the one with the problem when NYC spends time, energy and money on crap like this.

When people decide not to go to NYC or Times Square, at some point that has a cost.

That ain't happening. I was just there last weekend, and it was too crowded.

 

[BirdinHand]

See, MAGAs thought when they won the election they wouldn’t have to see any of “those people” anywhere.

Even as a statue in a city they don’t even go to. And bad mouth constantly.

Thats why the fauxrage over a statue in NYC of a black woman.

How dare there be such a thing!

 

[Jagged]

It's DEI activist art as statement. yes i think it's political

What's wrong with that?

 

[BirdinHand]

What's wrong with that?

Racists gotta be racist

 

[Master Debator]

The point that you are incapable of being embarrassed by your own racism while whining about other people’s racism.

And you have proven it rather convincingly.

Why would I be embarrassed over your feelings? I don't care about your feelings. There there.

 

[braindrain]

Why would I be embarrassed over your feelings? I don't care about your feelings. There there.

So in addition to your insanity to feel embarrassment over your obvious double standard with regards to racism you are showing that reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit either huh?

 

[Xilnik]

Everything black is not DEI. Some erects a stay and it is called DEI. A mayor or governor who is elected to offhand happens to be black is called a DEI hire. A police officer who shoots a jan 6 rioter is called a DEI hire. DEI is now used to degrade black people. To say they are not as qualified as white people when we all know that black people have to be more qualified or overly qualified to get the same job as a white man.

As far as stating the first black who did this or the first black who did that does seem meaningless unless you are taught the history as to why it is significant to recognize the first black. It is because black people were restricted to excel. But the first this or that is not the black history that is being erased. The history of slavery, Jim Crow, Tuskegee Airmen, Rosa Parks etc, is what is being erased. Also firing black people and saying they were only hired because of DEI is wrong.

I 100% agree with your perspective. DEI is often misrepresented, and while Black people have been targeted most often over the past few months, it’s frustrating to see it weaponized to discredit not just Black individuals. Many achievements by women, LGBTQ+ figures, and other marginalized communities have also been erased or overlooked, often because they don’t fit traditional narratives. (For example, the accidental removal of a historical aircraft with "Gay" in its name is a small but telling example of how sensitivity can sometimes lead to unintended erasure.)

The idea that Black people must be "overqualified" to receive the same opportunities as white men speaks to deeper systemic inequalities, ones that DEI was originally designed to address. However, I think it’s worth understanding why Trump and his supporters believe their stance isn’t racist. Many of them argue that they are fighting against what they see as "forced diversity" rather than actual discrimination.

The best way to push back is to engage with their reasoning; I am not arguing to validate it but to highlight where it fails. I don’t expect to change most minds, but I have had a few rational conversations with people who are willing to listen. It’s a tough discussion to have but one that’s necessary if we want to break through misinformation. We should work to preserve history with accuracy while ensuring people of all backgrounds are recognized for their accomplishments.

 

[Master Debator]

So in addition to your insanity to feel embarrassment over your obvious double standard with regards to racism you are showing that reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit either huh?

Guy, I don't care to try to dissuade you over your feelings but your feelings are your own. Feel any way you like about me. There there.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Sorry all the Biden population growth of illegal immigrants are going to be deported.

NY has 670K residents who are illegal migrants — including 42,300 undocumented restaurant workers

The report from the liberal-leaning Fiscal Policy Institute revealed an underground economy of migrant workers in the Empire State.

nypost.com

They were going to just replace the peasants they didn't serve with serfs.

It looks like we have some time.

Even as the number of immigration arrests is up significantly, the current pace of deportations suggests the administration will fall well short of its stated goal of 1 million deportations annually. While the government has not released official data in comprehensive fashion, based on Federal Register notices and selective information shared with news organizations it appears on track to deport roughly half a million people this year—fewer than the 685,000 deportations recorded in fiscal year (FY) 2024 under President Joe Biden. As it has sought to increase removals, the Trump administration shook up leadership at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) after just a month in office.

In First 100 Days, Trump 2.0 Has Dramatically Reshaped the U.S. Immigration System, but Is Not Meeting Mass Deportation Aims

In its first 100 days, the Trump administration has issued a flurry of actions that represent the most sweeping immigration policy changes in decades, reshaping enforcement, border security, legal immigration, humanitarian protection, and foreign policy. This article provides an overview of the...

www.migrationpolicy.org

 

[j brown's body]

nothing in my post you responded to mentioned "black people". I understand DEI break everyone down to a disadvantaged score and use that to insure equity of outcome where metrics are involved.. DEI was growing unchecked like a cancer under Biden. It became the main reason for many agencies and sub- functionaries as a mission

Give an example of DEI leading to "equity of outcome."