10 yr old shot two weeks after 2 yr old

[3leftsdoo]

Philly should totally pass some laws about guns...

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[Winchester]

Getting back to the op. At what point does the freedom of a child to safely walk the street become infringed by the rights of those bearing arms?


I suggest we have crossed that line is all.

At the point where saying that doesn't cost one the election. We ain't there yet.

 

[Media_Truth]

Philadelphia shooting: 10-year-old boy shot in head while walking home from school - CNN





Don't the people deserve freedom from gun violence? Seems to me that if ever there was a "natural right," it would be the right for a boy to walk home from school without being shot in the freaking head.

Philadelphia, or better yet, the State of Pennsylvania, should pass legislation similar to the New York SAFE law.

 

[TurtleDude]

Philadelphia, or better yet, the State of Pennsylvania, should pass legislation similar to the New York SAFE law.

worthless idiocy designed to harass lawful gun owners so the people who pass it can pander to the stupid and pretend they have done something. And to try to stick it to voters who oppose leftwing coddlers of violent criminals. we need federal judges who will ream out the asses who pass this sort of crap

 

[Media_Truth]

worthless idiocy designed to harass lawful gun owners so the people who pass it can pander to the stupid and pretend they have done something. And to try to stick it to voters who oppose leftwing coddlers of violent criminals. we need federal judges who will ream out the asses who pass this sort of crap

Your angry diatribe and four letter words do nothing to advance your faulty logic.

 

[calamity]

worthless idiocy designed to harass lawful gun owners so the people who pass it can pander to the stupid and pretend they have done something. And to try to stick it to voters who oppose leftwing coddlers of violent criminals. we need federal judges who will ream out the asses who pass this sort of crap

Your post is "worthless idiocy designed to harass" people here to debate, if you ask me.

 

[calamity]

Philadelphia, or better yet, the State of Pennsylvania, should pass legislation similar to the New York SAFE law.

With the federal court now being in the zealot realm, the states should move forward with an amendment to put limits on the second, IMO. All amendments have common sense restrictions. But for some reason, there has been a successful effort to exempt the 2nd from common sense.

 

[VanceMack]

Hmmm....lets see if we are tracking here....

Philly is a liberal leftist rat run rat controlled city.
Philly has a huge problem with poverty, gangs, and violent crime.
Philly has a police force that has been hampered from effective enforcement of laws and a revolving door justice system that puts violent offenders back on the street to commit more harm in their communities.
Someone thinks the answer is to blame firearm manufacturers and the NRA.

Yep...seems to me we have seen this in pretty much every other rat run rat controlled city in the country as well.

Fat people blame McDonalds.
Mayor Delasio blames large soda cups.
Smokers blame the tobacco companies. (and the cities tax the hell out of sales profiting off of the sales THEN sue the companies raking in more money who then raise their prices...and smokers blame the tobacco companies....)

 

[calamity]

Hmmm....lets see if we are tracking here....

Philly is a liberal leftist rat run rat controlled city.
Philly has a huge problem with poverty, gangs, and violent crime.
Philly has a police force that has been hampered from effective enforcement of laws and a revolving door justice system that puts violent offenders back on the street to commit more harm in their communities.
Someone thinks the answer is to blame firearm manufacturers and the NRA.

Yep...seems to me we have seen this in pretty much every other rat run rat controlled city in the country as well.

Fat people blame McDonalds.
Mayor Delasio blames large soda cups.
Smokers blame the tobacco companies. (and the cities tax the hell out of sales profiting off of the sales THEN sue the companies raking in more money who then raise their prices...and smokers blame the tobacco companies....)

Translation: "Gun deaths cannot possibly be due to the 393,000,000 guns on the street. It's the Democrats."

 

[Rich2018]

Pointed stick and rocks have been proven to kill too.

Good point! I will tell that to the next gun owner who insists he/she needs his/her guns to protect his/her home and family by telling him/her to trade their guns for a pointed stick and a rock.
When the gun owner complains, I'll tell him/her they can also kill according to Court Jester in post #190.


I also some doubt that the Parkland killings would have been so lethal had the shooter been armed with a stick and a rock.

 

[jet57]

I know it; you know it, but so far they refuse to admit it. Instead they say, "B...b...but swimming pools, cars and knives."

That's because they can't credibly defend their BS. The trick is rapid fire facts that have enough credible velocity to draw them out and use that stopping power to bring down their idiocy. It's working on Trump, so that makes these guys very easy targets.

 

[Rich2018]

That's because they can't credibly defend their BS. The trick is rapid fire facts that have enough credible velocity to draw them out and use that stopping power to bring down their idiocy. It's working on Trump, so that makes these guys very easy targets.

They have three redoubts when pressed:

1. Gun ownership in a "natural right" which supersedes any national constitution or law

2. Guns are needed because:
2.1 There a part of the population who live an impractical distance from a store to buy meat and need guns to hunt
2.2 Without guns to defend themselves, they'd be dead, robbed or raped in a week, month or year

3. Gun Control is impractical because:
3.1 There are way too many guns in private hands that even a country as wealthy and powerful as the USA couldn't collect them all
3.2 No US law enforcement officer would ever obey a law to disarm his/her fellow citizens.

 

[calamity]

They have three redoubts when pressed:

1. Gun ownership in a "natural right" which supersedes any national constitution or law

How can owning something manufactured from steel be a "natural right"? :doh

2. Guns are needed because:
2.1 There a part of the population who live an impractical distance from a store to buy meat and need guns to hunt
2.2 Without guns to defend themselves, they'd be dead, robbed or raped in a week, month or year

3. Gun Control is impractical because:
3.1 There are way too many guns in private hands that even a country as wealthy and powerful as the USA couldn't collect them all
3.2 No US law enforcement officer would ever obey a law to disarm his/her fellow citizens.

The bold is naive to say the least.

 

[Rich2018]

How can owning something manufactured from steel be a "natural right"?

Don't ask me...some BS to do with needing it to defend your life in the USA

...the bold is naive to say the least.

I think most police officers would love it if the USA had British levels of gun ownership as they prepare to go out on patrol.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Now, you can argue that your right to own a gun supersedes their right to be free from being shot by one. But, I would disagree with that, vehemently.

No one is arguing that because there is no conflict between the two. Owning a gun interferes in no way with a person walking down the street.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I think most police officers would love it if the USA had British levels of gun ownership as they prepare to go out on patrol.

I'd like to see your data to support this claim. My anecdotal experience is that police are enthusiastic gun rights supporters. Chiefs may not be, but the rank and file are, and I mean this in a non-derogatory fashion, gun nuts, in my experience.

 

[Rich2018]

No one is arguing that because there is no conflict between the two. Owning a gun interferes in no way with a person walking down the street.

And the number of people being shot trying to defend themselves is FAR exceeded by those people being attacked by gun wielding criminals and maniacs.

 

[calamity]

I'd like to see your data to support this claim. My anecdotal experience is that police are enthusiastic gun rights supporters. Chiefs may not be, but the rank and file are, and I mean this in a non-derogatory fashion, gun nuts, in my experience.

Not my fight, but this is revealing.

What Law Enforcement Says About Assault Weapons

 

[Rich2018]

Not my fight, but this is revealing.

What Law Enforcement Says About Assault Weapons

Must be hard for police officers and their families, my family have no fear that I won't come home at the end of my shift at work.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

And the number of people being shot trying to defend themselves is FAR exceeded by those people being attacked by gun wielding criminals and maniacs.

And your point, as it relates to the absence of conflict between the right of a person to not be assaulted while walking down the street and the right of a person to own a firearm is what, exactly?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Not my fight, but this is revealing.

What Law Enforcement Says About Assault Weapons

I went back to the beginning of 2008 before I stopped reading. Like I said, chiefs (and, by extension, majors, commissioners, leadership in general who are likely to be appointed political positions) are a different story. I saw an abundance of comments by them but, since I already acknowledged their possible anti-gun sentiment, I ignored them. Not one entry from an officer on the street shows a preference for banning any type of firearm.

 

[Rich2018]

And your point, as it relates to the absence of conflict between the right of a person to not be assaulted while walking down the street and the right of a person to own a firearm is what, exactly?

My point

That guns make being shot possible


That the sheer number of gun deaths and injuries in the USA is out of control.


Why do you oppose gun control ?
Why, in your mind, are guns needed ?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

My point

That guns make being shot possible

Then your point is a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with the fact that one person who does nothing more than owns a gun interferes in no way with a person peacefully walking down the street.

That the sheer number of gun deaths and injuries in the USA is out of control.

To use your logic, alcohol makes drinking possible. There are about 90,000 alcohol-related fatalities annually in the US, nearly triple the number of firearm-related deaths. The sheer number of alcohol deaths and injuries in the USA is out of control. Should we start instituting background checks at liquor stores? Mandatory interlocks in vehicles? Limit the proof of liquor? You should be on this at least three times as hard as you are on guns. But I bet you aren't. Why is that?

Why do you oppose gun control ?

I don't. I fully support controlling all my guns. Usually that means using two hands.

Why, in your mind, are guns needed ?

Because there will never be a time when there are no guns, no guns held by the criminal element, and certainly never will there be a time when I can beat any or all armed criminals with my own two fists of fury, should they come calling on my doorstep.

 

[Rich2018]

Then your point is a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with the fact that one person who does nothing more than owns a gun interferes in no way with a person peacefully walking down the street....

Not for one person but for a population of armed individuals

Perhaps not walking down the street but in a bar/club/mall exposed to an active shooter...for children add in schools

...to use your logic, alcohol makes drinking possible....

No it means I'm more likely to be in a crash with a DUI driver whether in my car or walking down the street as alcohol diminishes recognition and reaction times

...there are about 90,000 alcohol-related fatalities annually in the US, nearly triple the number of firearm-related deaths...

Prohibition has been tried once and it failed

...I fully support controlling all my guns. Usually that means using two hands....

I doubt we'll ever see the 2nd Amendment repealed so a gun ban is totally moot - then again we can live in hope

How do you feel about compulsory background checks and mandatory registration of all firearms

...because there will never be a time when there are no guns, no guns held by the criminal element, and certainly never will there be a time when I can beat any or all armed criminals with my own two fists of fury, should they come calling on my doorstep.

So you want guns for excuse 2.2 ?

 

[jimbo]

Philadelphia shooting: 10-year-old boy shot in head while walking home from school - CNN





Don't the people deserve freedom from gun violence? Seems to me that if ever there was a "natural right," it would be the right for a boy to walk home from school without being shot in the freaking head.

Meanwhile, in Chicago YTD 424 murders, over 2200 shootings. Nearly all using illegally possessed guns.

I'm reasonably sure more than a few were just kids going about kid stuff.

Chicago's murder epidemic: Crime rate proves city isn't doing enough