1 Progressive Destroys 20 Far Right Conservatives

[ASHES]

Has anyone watched the video?

I'm maybe 20-30 minutes in, and am blown away by the crowd. They're civil, but the things they cheer about are insane.

Trump supporter: "As to the Constitution, I don't care about the Constitution!"

*crowd reacts with with cheering and clapping*

It was shockingly disgusting. They look so normal, cleanly dressed, presentable, and clean-cut. But my God, their heads are totally messed-up!

They really think our Constitution is a joke. How did this happen?

This should have been the OP.

Finally, thank you.

 

[Parker_Chess]

The future of maga looks pretty bleak.

Damn! That was a beat down. You can see how silly cult like these people are defending the indefensible. I'll refer to this as a deconversion tool for MAGA.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Okay: if your votes in the last 3 elections weren't for the Dem candidate, you are very. much part and parcel the problem with conservatism.

There, your secret is safe.

It’s not a secret. As I’ve stated you can find the answers elsewhere on this board given of my own hand and not at what had the feeling of a demand. I’ve made it quite clear that in this past election that NJ’s electoral votes were quite decided the matter of my choice need not be concerned with keeping them from Donald Trump. So I voted for Oliver Chase, the Libertarian candidate. Had that not been the case I would have voted for Harris to keep NJ’s electoral votes away from Trump. A man of horrendous character and despicable ethics.

 

[Chomsky]

I have.

I thought it was good. Worth the time


I had the same reaction.

Its a serious problem, looks bad for our future.

The cheering of the "Authoritarian Fascist" guy was beyond belief, too.

I'm thinking this must be an exceptionally hard-core crowd. They literally are America haters.

 

[Chomsky]

I'm not really sure why anyone would be shocked. There were only two clear paths in right wing politics for MAGA populism:

Either continued shlocky, consumerist banal populism or some derivation of European fascism. I think at some point the political right is going to get sick of the constant betrayal and ineffective nature of Trumpian populism and come to the conclusion that it "wasn't enough".

It's more confounding to me that people think we're ever going to return to a post-war consensus politic. The Pax Americana is over, dude.

I grew-up with and raised by Conservatives. Catholic Conservatives.

Up 'till recently, even the hard-core Conservatives I knew believed in Law & Constitution. Only the fringe flakes didn't. Now, the fringe flakes have gone mainstream. This crowd really, really, hates America. And democracy, too. It's like nothing I've ever seen.

I find it hard to believe this could be mainstream MAGA thought.

 

[Gozaburo]

I grew-up with and raised by Conservatives. Catholic Conservatives.

Up 'till recently, even the hard-core Conservatives I knew believed in Law & Constitution. Only the fringe flakes didn't. Now, the fringe flakes have gone mainstream. This crowd really, really, hates America. And democracy, too. It's like nothing I've ever seen.

You likely grew up in a very different America than the youth of today did. Technology, demographics, and markets have radically changed and shifted. Ironically, your nostalgic musing about what the stability of the "way things were" and a nod toward the consensus politic of the past feeds the resentment of (mostly) young men even further - you're remembering a past these young men aren't sure ever even existed.

I don't think these kids hate America 'the nation', rather they have a radically different vision from the contemporary liberal zeitgeist of what America is. I think it's very difficult for folks 30-35 years+ to understand that young men look at their current material, spiritual, and social situation and find it wanting. As a young guy myself, I can sympathize on some level, though I have obvious disagreements.

 

[Chomsky]

This should have been the OP.

Finally, thank you.

No, thank you!

I made that comment before I got to the "Authoritarian Fascist" guy!

It got far, far, far worse.

The crowd was cheering him on, but at times almost sheepishly. Kinda' like,

"Oh my God, I can't believe he really said that in public? But yeah, he's right!"

Someday these young people are going to be middle-aged and have this video to atone for, to their kids, neighbors, employers & clients/customers, and their friends & associates.

Just like the drunken coed "Girls Gone Wild" leads, that in middle-age had to explain their actions to their teenage-kids and professional associates. I saw an interview with a thirty-something women who had a husband, teenage kids, and was interviewing at a law firm as a newly minted J.D., when her Girls Gone Wild video resurfaced in her life!

 

[NolanVoyd]

You likely grew up in a very different America than the youth of today did. Technology, demographics, and markets have radically changed and shifted. Ironically, your nostalgic musing about what the stability of the "way things were" and a nod toward the consensus politic of the past feeds the resentment of (mostly) young men even further - you're remembering a past these young men aren't sure ever even existed.

I don't think these kids hate America 'the nation', rather they have a radically different vision from the contemporary liberal zeitgeist of what America is. I think it's very difficult for folks 30-35 years+ to understand that young men look at their current material, spiritual, and social situation and find it wanting. As a young guy myself, I can sympathize on some level, though I have obvious disagreements.

Its not about "liberal zeitgeists", its about the constitution of the United States of Anerica.

Did you watch it?

You should if you havent.

 

[Gozaburo]

Its not about "liberal zeitgeists", its about the constitution of the United States of Anerica.

Did you watch it?

You should if you havent.

I did watch it and it is a liberal zeitgeist. The fetishization of the con-stih-too-shun is 110% a modern invention. Even if it weren't, it clearly isn't effective in preserving the vision of America these guys have in mind and frankly: they're probably correct that unfettered pluralism wasn't an ideal of any of the founding fathers.

My point is this: many young people (not just the radical right wing ones in the video) are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the American bureaucracy and the effectiveness of democracy at solving the rapidly shifting, increasingly multipolar world order. Answering these concerns with, "Erhm, but haven't you heard of the frickin' constitution!" isn't just tone deaf, it's strategically foolish because it drives people more toward radical solutions to problems that could probably be solved otherwise.

 

[Chomsky]

You likely grew up in a very different America than the youth of today did. Technology, demographics, and markets have radically changed and shifted. Ironically, your nostalgic musing about what the stability of the "way things were" and a nod toward the consensus politic of the past feeds the resentment of (mostly) young men even further - you're remembering a past these young men aren't sure ever even existed.

I don't think these kids hate America 'the nation', rather they have a radically different vision from the contemporary liberal zeitgeist of what America is. I think it's very difficult for folks 30-35 years+ to understand that young men look at their current material, spiritual, and social situation and find it wanting. As a young guy myself, I can sympathize on some level, though I have obvious disagreements.

Thanks for the insight, Gozaburo. So you know, I enjoy your posts but never had the opportunity to communicate that to you.

Yeah, I'm older. But, I never felt 'old'. That is, until I saw the recent support for Hamas on Ivy League campuses, and the hatred of Israel. I very much expected the anger for the humanitarian disaster Israel was causing. But I never imagined the support I saw for Hamas itself. That blindsided me.

And now I'm taken back by the video participants' desire to scrape our Constitution and courts of law, so adamantly.

And yes, the eschewing of "consensus politics" puts it well. They don't want consensus. The want unilateral power!

All this reflects a lack of unity and shared identity that is startling. I find it scary, to be honest. Democracy is a fragile thing, and it takes a united group effort to keep it going.

One reason I find this video so shocking, is I've got kids that might be the age of some of the participants. I'm not only friends with some of my kids friends, but consider myself good friends of a few of them. My house is their house, and having know them since grammar School I look at them like my own sons & daughters. They'll talk to me about a lot of stuff, and I can't say I've seen one with attitudes like this crowd. So, I'm not sure this crowd is representative of young people, including young MAGA's.

 

[Gozaburo]

All this reflects a lack of unity and shared identity that is startling. I find it scary, to be honest. Democracy is a fragile thing, and it takes a united group effort to keep it going.

One reason I find this video so shocking, is I've got kids that might be the age of some of the participants. I'm not only friends with some of my kids friends, but consider myself good friends of a few of them. My house is their house, and having know them since grammar School I look at them like my own sons & daughters. They'll talk to me about a lot of stuff, and I can't say I've seen one with attitudes like this crowd. So, I'm not sure this crowd is representative of young people, including young MAGA's.

Certainly the young folks in this video are being intentionally inflammatory and bombastic for marketing purposes. I think there's a clear aim to mimic Trump in the sense that Trump helped to normalize previously taboo or fringe subjects by being charismatic, bombastic, and fantastical. I think with the exception of the tall blonde dude toward the end, most of the other challengers lacked the aesthetic and verbal tact to be very convincing in Trumpian fashion.

I think the 2024 election and videos like this expose a fundamental weakness in left wing/liberal politics which is that for so long, liberals have enjoyed this mythology of it being a given that the arc of history bends toward liberalism. There was this absolute inertia in the post-war era that the future was progressive, more enlightened, always moving toward a world view which complimented liberal assumptions.

And so when Trump wins a historical victory and fringe right wing politics are not only platformed, but they're debatably mainstream and "cool" or "edgy", liberals fall on their face, dumbfounded: how could the arc of history not bend toward my worldview? What do I do now?! You see this dynamic on clear display in the video!

I don't think the views of the people in the video are mainstream, but I do know that the Overton window isn't controlled by the center, but the fringes. I also know that political revolutions are almost always directed by highly motivated, fanatic, and martial young men. Something to consider if/when the global order continues to destabilize and material conditions worsen.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I did watch it and it is a liberal zeitgeist. The fetishization of the con-stih-too-shun is 110% a modern invention. Even if it weren't, it clearly isn't effective in preserving the vision of America these guys have in mind and frankly: they're probably correct that unfettered pluralism wasn't an ideal of any of the founding fathers.

My point is this: many young people (not just the radical right wing ones in the video) are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the American bureaucracy and the effectiveness of democracy at solving the rapidly shifting, increasingly multipolar world order. Answering these concerns with, "Erhm, but haven't you heard of the frickin' constitution!" isn't just tone deaf, it's strategically foolish because it drives people more toward radical solutions to problems that could probably be solved otherwise.

Wow.

The constitution is a liberal zeitgeist.

That is a new one.

 

[Gozaburo]

Wow.

The constitution is a liberal zeitgeist.

That is a new one.

Yes.

To be clear: I think the mythology of the constitution is a very good thing. All nations, all empires require a united founding mythology in order to maintain a coherent order. The fact that the mythology of the constitution is now being scrutinized points to the fact that the consensus is eroding and we're heading toward a new era.

 

[Bullseye]

You wish magas were this smart.

They are; I wish you guys were.

 

[The AntiDonald]

I agree with the others that a nearly two-hour video without excerpts or further insight, requires one helluva' leap of faith to include it in one's daily time constraints.

That being said, I'm familiar with and have watched this series, and found it pretty interesting.

Unfortunately I can't/won't spend two hours with it, except for maybe late night when I'm chilling.

Thanks for leaving it, and I'll be sure to comment if i watch it. I love watching debates! I really do. And, I'll see if it draws me in.

Anyone who knows Medi Hassan knows damn well he eats conservatives alive. All anyone has to do is watch one or two interviews and you get the gist of it.

 

[BitterPill]

The future of maga looks pretty bleak.

I am surprised the twenty didn't foot-stomp and chop-drop that Hassan fellow in retribution for the horrible Cincinnati attack.

Just goes to show that Nazis are not thugs.

MAGA.

 

[Deuce]

Because "progressive" sounds so much nicer and comforting than "Communist Totalitarian."

Mark

Also because "communist totalitarian" isn't their position, that's just what radical right wingers proclaim everything left of Genghis Khan to be.

 

[Diving Mullah]

The future of maga looks pretty bleak.

I truly despise Mehdi—but that video is a frightening glimpse into our future. It’s both unsurprising and yet deeply unsettling to see how easily the so-called "young generation" is willing to dismiss democracy and cheer for autocracy and dictatorship. One MAGA follower even had the gall to call it a “benevolent dictatorship.”


Thank the universe I don’t have kids. For those who do—your children are in for some very hard years ahead. And your grandchildren? They’re truly fraqued!


As the saying goes, democracy doesn’t die in darkness—it dies to the sound of thunderous cheers to a burning cross wrapped in the American Flag!



Diving Mullah

 

[The Brad Dad]

I truly despise Mehdi—but that video is a frightening glimpse into our future. It’s both unsurprising and yet deeply unsettling to see how easily the so-called "young generation" is willing to dismiss democracy and cheer for autocracy and dictatorship. One MAGA follower even had the gall to call it a “benevolent dictatorship.”


Thank the universe I don’t have kids. For those who do—your children are in for some very hard years ahead. And your grandchildren? They’re truly fraqued!


As the saying goes, democracy doesn’t die in darkness—it dies to the sound of thunderous cheers to a burning cross wrapped in the American Flag!



Diving Mullah

Mehdi is awesome. One of the few folks who know how to conduct an real interview that Americans have access to.

 

[ASHES]

Mehdi is awesome. One of the few folks who know how to conduct an real interview that Americans have access to.

Because you believe what he believes. Not because he challenges your way of thinking. To me that's what makes a good interview. Not even the low hanging fruit is he going after here, but stomping already fallen rotten fruit on the ground. Entertainment and populism, not politics. This doesn't show me anything about how good of an interviewer he is. What I also don't like is the bullshit drama he gets in, and his absolute hypocrisy claiming socialism while adorned and profiting from the riches of capitalism. Good for him, I'm not taking that away from him, he found a niche and is exploiting it for his gain. It's just that it's while preaching strict socialism and intolerance, so I call him a hypocrite and don't respect him.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Because you believe what he believes.

Eh, that's a pretty shallow interpretation that would require you to have telepathy. You do not have telepathy.

and his absolute hypocrisy claiming socialism while adorned and profiting from the riches of capitalism.

Because he lives in capitalist societies. He should fully take advantage as there is no socialist government in place, and in order to have relevance for both his beliefs and his desire to not be poor in a capitalist society, it's important that he make money and not at all in conflict with is political beliefs. And even if he were a hypocrite, it doesn't at all dilute any of his arguments because he is not the owner and operator of these beliefs, just an adoptee like anyone else.

 

[ASHES]

Eh, that's a pretty shallow interpretation that would require you to have telepathy. You do not have telepathy.

Exactly as predicted. Snip. Deflect. Ridicule.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Exactly as predicted. Snip. Deflect. Ridicule.

Who did you predict this to? Your AI chatbot?

 

[ASHES]

Who did you predict this to? Your AI chatbot?

I've calculated your cycle. Don't know why I keep trying. But I do and will.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I've calculated your cycle. Don't know why I keep trying. But I do and will.

I can take a guess.