“Trump is a Soviet asset – and my presidency hasn’t gone the way I’d hoped”

[Tigerace117]

And no one has ever claimed that.

Still waiting on why anyone should believe the rest of NATO wouldn’t have been compromised.

 

[Tigerace117]

And it was a ridiculous assertion, as I said.

You simply wailing that without actually managing to supply any evidence as to why remains laughable.

 

[hooligan]

You simply wailing that without actually managing to supply any evidence as to why remains laughable.

No one is "wailing", save perhaps, you.

If you can't figure out where you're wrong, you're a lost cause that I won't waste time on. Other posters have already pointed it out to you, with no discernable impact. I'm not interested.

 

[Tigerace117]

No one is "wailing", save perhaps, you.

If you can't figure out where you're wrong, you're a lost cause that I won't waste time on. Other posters have already pointed it out to you, with no discernable impact. I'm not interested.

Gee dude, if that were true you would have actually tried to make an argument instead of wailing “no no no no” over and over

 

[lwf]

Still waiting on why anyone should believe the rest of NATO wouldn’t have been compromised.

Why would you think it has?

 

[Tigerace117]

Why would you think it has?

Because if Trump is a “Russian agent”, as already pointed out, there’s zero reason to believe the Russians just shrugged and called it a day after recruiting him.

 

[lwf]

Because if Trump is a “Russian agent”, as already pointed out, there’s zero reason to believe the Russians just shrugged and called it a day after recruiting him.

You don't have to assume this to conclude that a compromised Trump is the only "Russian agent" in NATO. That the Russians are able to compromise one does not mean that they therefore are able to compromise all.

 

[Tigerace117]

You don't have to assume this to conclude that a compromised Trump is the only "Russian agent" in NATO. That the Russians are able to compromise one does not mean that they therefore are able to compromise all.

If the Russians are able to infiltrate in and protect an agent with such skill that even after a decade of him being the most scrutinized man on the planet no actual evidence of him being a foreign agent has ever surfaced, the idea that they’d be unable to get additional agents across the other NATO countries, whose security services largely aren’t as experienced or funded, is comical.

 

[lwf]

If the Russians are able to infiltrate in and protect an agent with such skill that even after a decade of him being the most scrutinized man on the planet no actual evidence of him being a foreign agent has ever surfaced, the idea that they’d be unable to get additional agents across the other NATO countries, whose security services largely aren’t as experienced or funded, is comical.

You are assuming that the degree of difficulty in compromising a politician or leader is always the same. It is not. Some potential assets are more vulnerable than others. Donald Trump is unusually vulnerable given his history, his relationship to Russia, his personality, and his predilections.

 

[hooligan]

Gee dude, if that were true you would have actually tried to make an argument instead of wailing “no no no no” over and over

Being wrong is your prerogative. Knock yourself out.

 

[Tigerace117]

Being wrong is your prerogative. Knock yourself out.

You have failed utterly to provide any sort of evidence that I am.

 

[Tigerace117]

You are assuming that the degree of difficulty in compromising a politician or leader is always the same. It is not. Some potential assets are more vulnerable than others. Donald Trump is unusually vulnerable given his history, his relationship to Russia, his personality, and his predilections.

Ah yes, the premise that dozens of other countries would not have high value assets that could become agents….but Donald Trump was “uniquely vulnerable”

Given, for example, how throughout the British and French were penetrated by the Soviets during the Cold War—and similar successes by the East Germans against their Western neighbor, the idea is comical.

 

[iguanaman]

I have changed my mind about Trump on this. I don't think he is or ever was a Russian asset. I do think Trump has a perverse admiration for dictators and maybe envisions himself as being one, but I don't think he was ever seriously influenced by Putin the way it has been suggested among the left. In fact, I think the suggestion that he was a Putin asset has confused his thinking on how to extricate ourselves from the mess in Ukraine and it has fueled his thirst for revenge.

There is no doubt that Trump takes in all the lies Putin gives him as truth. He has repeated many of those lies multiple times if you have followed his words at all. I think that qualifies him as a Russian asset or "useful idiot". Whatever the reason or the name the end is the same. Now he is very butthurt that he was not invited to the China military parade and is likely finding more ways to suck up to those dictators so that won't happen again. Trump only respects those leaders who are like himself. He got mad at Modi for refusing to recommend him for a Peace prize and that got him in trouble. I'm sure that he regrets it now but of course he can't admit it.

 

[hooligan]

You have failed utterly to provide any sort of evidence...

LOL Physician, heal thyself.

 

[lwf]

Ah yes, the premise that dozens of other countries would not have high value assets that could become agents….but Donald Trump was “uniquely vulnerable”

Anyone could become an asset. Not everyone is so easy to turn to your cause, however. That's espionage 101, pal.

 

[Tigerace117]

Anyone could become an asset. Not everyone is so easy to turn to your cause, however. That's espionage 101, pal.

The idea, once again, that out of thousands of important military and civilian personnel from dozens of countries, nobody else would be an agent, is comical

 

[Tigerace117]

LOL Physician, heal thyself.

I’ve provided multiple examples demonstrating my points, actually. You haven’t even attempted to make an argument, on the other hand.

 

[lwf]

The idea, once again, that out of thousands of important military and civilian personnel from dozens of countries, nobody else would be an agent, is comical

No one ever suggested that. Nice strawman.

 

[hooligan]

I’ve provided multiple examples demonstrating my points, actually. You haven’t even attempted to make an argument, on the other hand.

Your opinions are not examples demonstrating anything.

 

[Tigerace117]

Your opinions are not examples demonstrating anything.

It’s an objective fact the Russians and their allies heavily penetrated the various European NATO members’ governments, no matter how inconvenient you find it.

 

[Tigerace117]

No one ever suggested that. Nice strawman.

Great! So now that we’ve throughly established nobody believes Trump would be the only foreign agent— if he was one— there’s no reason to believe the other NATO countries weren’t compromised in this scenario. Glad we’ve established that

 

[hooligan]

It’s an objective fact the Russians and their allies heavily penetrated the various European NATO members’ governments, no matter how inconvenient you find it.

Cite?

 

[lwf]

Great! So now that we’ve throughly established nobody believes Trump would be the only foreign agent— if he was one— there’s no reason to believe the other NATO countries weren’t compromised in this scenario. Glad we’ve established that

Anyone could become an asset. Not everyone is so easy to turn to your cause, however.

 

[Tigerace117]

Cite?

Kim Philby and his pals, Willy Brandt’s secretary Gunther Guillaume, the events of the Martel dossier and Farewell dossier…. How many more examples do you want?

 

[Tigerace117]

Anyone could become an asset. Not everyone is so easy to turn to your cause, however.

Once again, given the high level of success of Soviet and Eastern bloc agents in “turning” assets throughout Britain, France, and West Germany, the facts speak for themselves