“Trump is a Soviet asset – and my presidency hasn’t gone the way I’d hoped”

[lwf]

If they managed to get an agent into the chair of the president of the United States and keep him safe for literal decades, that’s a lot more than just luck.

More than just luck necessarily implies that you still need that luck.

 

[SavannahMann]

Once again, if the accusations about Trump were true, there would be no reason to stay in NATO in the first place, as it would have been hopelessly compromised by a foreign power and therefore completely incapable of providing the supposed “deterrence” it claims

Why did Trump order the removal of one third of the Troops stationed in Germany during his last few months in office in Term one? Putin was in Crimea, fighting was going on in Eastern Ukraine. Why would Trump pull troops out of Germany at the time when threats existed?

 

[Tigerace117]

More than just luck necessarily implies that you still need that luck.

You need basic luck to do just about anything.

But to claim getting an agent into the office of the president itself, and safely keeping him there, comes down to nothing but luck is rather nonsensical

 

[Tigerace117]

Why did Trump order the removal of one third of the Troops stationed in Germany during his last few months in office in Term one? Putin was in Crimea, fighting was going on in Eastern Ukraine. Why would Trump pull troops out of Germany at the time when threats existed?

Germany and eastern Ukraine, on case you hadn’t noticed, are not exactly close to one another, and it’s not like there was any shortage of other threats.

 

[SavannahMann]

Germany and eastern Ukraine, on case you hadn’t noticed, are not exactly close to one another, and it’s not like there was any shortage of other threats.

He wasn't sending the Troops to Korea. Or the Middle East. He was bringing them home to the United States. A lot of Threats around Kansas we don't know about?

 

[hooligan]

You wailing “that’s stupid” without ever actually making an argument is not a rebuttal, sorry

Your baseless assertion don't rate a rebuttal.

 

[Tigerace117]

He wasn't sending the Troops to Korea. Or the Middle East. He was bringing them home to the United States. A lot of Threats around Kansas we don't know about?

Bringing troops home wins votes. People who rather have their loved ones in the States than overseas. Trying to present that as some sort of Russian plot is comical.

 

[Tigerace117]

Your baseless assertion don't rate a rebuttal.

Your utter surrender is noted.

By the way, you are aware the basic premise of the thread is totally baseless, right?

 

[hooligan]

Your utter surrender is noted.

By the way, you are aware the basic premise of the thread is totally baseless, right?

Your apparent delusion is noted.

I couldn't care less about the President of Portugal's opinion of whether Trump is or isn't a Russian asset. It's irrelevant to the discussion we were having.

Let me ask you this - what do you think the most important/valuable aspect of NATO membership is?

 

[Tigerace117]

Your apparent delusion is noted.

I couldn't care less about the President of Portugal's opinion of whether Trump is or isn't a Russian asset. It's irrelevant to the discussion we were having.

Let me ask you this - what do you think the most important/valuable aspect of NATO membership is?

…..then why are you in a thread specially about that?

It provides cannon fodder for America’s wars, which was the entire point of creating NATO to begin with

 

[hooligan]

…..then why are you in a thread specially about that?

It provides cannon fodder for America’s wars, which was the entire point of creating NATO to begin with

Let me be more precise - what do you think is the most important/valuable aspect of NATO membership for countries like Portugal?

 

[Tigerace117]

Let me be more precise - what do you think is the most important/valuable aspect of NATO membership for countries like Portugal?

Gee, there is none. They joined when they were a fascist dictatorship with extensive colonial holdings in Africa when they joined, after all. The people of Portugal never got a say.

 

[hooligan]

Gee, there is none. They joined when they were a fascist dictatorship with extensive colonial holdings in Africa when they joined, after all. The people of Portugal never got a say.

Stop dodging and answer the question.

 

[Tigerace117]

Stop dodging and answer the question.

…..I just did?

They weren’t given a choice on joining. The fascist dictator running the country signed them up for it.

And NATO was never going to allow them to be neutral anyway. The Azores are too valuable as a base.

Portugal has no actual major threats. Wailing about Russia is nonsensical when one considers the fact Russia is about as far away from Portugal as you can get and still be in Europe.

 

[hooligan]

…..I just did?

They weren’t given a choice on joining. The fascist dictator running the country signed them up for it.

And NATO was never going to allow them to be neutral anyway. The Azores are too valuable as a base.

No, you didn't. And you still haven't.

None of what you posted has anything to do with my question.

 

[Tigerace117]

No, you didn't. And you still haven't.

None of what you posted has anything to do with my question.

Yes, I did. I clearly laid out why there is no real valuable aspect to NATO membership for a country like Portugal

You not liking having to face reality doesn’t make it go away.

 

[SavannahMann]

Bringing troops home wins votes. People who rather have their loved ones in the States than overseas. Trying to present that as some sort of Russian plot is comical.

Removing the troops helping to protect our NATO allies is not a win. It is a betrayal. Especially when Russia is attacking Ukraine at the time.

 

[Tigerace117]

Removing the troops helping to protect our NATO allies is not a win. It is a betrayal. Especially when Russia is attacking Ukraine at the time.

It’s not a “betrayal” to rotate some troops out of Europe.

A betrayal is, for example, how the U.S. continues using the Kurds to do the fighting against groups like ISIS only to happily turn a blind eye whenever someone wants to bomb them into submission, whether that was Saddam or the U.S. ally of Turkey

 

[SavannahMann]

It’s not a “betrayal” to rotate some troops out of Europe.

A betrayal is, for example, how the U.S. continues using the Kurds to do the fighting against groups like ISIS only to happily turn a blind eye whenever someone wants to bomb them into submission, whether that was Saddam or the U.S. ally of Turkey

You keep trying to spin it. It wasn't a rotation. It was a drawdown. Trump ordered the Pentagon to bring the troops home. Not rotate them. Look. I appreciate the automatic defense. But the more you spin, the more obvious it becomes that Trump is totally controlled by Russia.

 

[Tigerace117]

You keep trying to spin it. It wasn't a rotation. It was a drawdown. Trump ordered the Pentagon to bring the troops home. Not rotate them. Look. I appreciate the automatic defense. But the more you spin, the more obvious it becomes that Trump is totally controlled by Russia.

The idea that bringing troops to the United States is a “Russian plot” is deeply comical.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Hmm...

Hmmmmm...

Hmmmmmmmm...

 

[Airyaman]

What about all of the other members who are not compromised? Like practically all of Europe?

I think Hungary is probably compromised as well. Orban kisses Putin's ass as much if not more than Trump.

 

[SavannahMann]

The idea that bringing troops to the United States is a “Russian plot” is deeply comical.

Removing Troops from a likely combat area where our allies are depending on us, that is at least betrayal of our allies isn't it?

 

[tijl]

Trump is Putin's ideological twin brother; he's fascinated by dictators and has become Putin's poodle.

 

[Tigerace117]

Removing Troops from a likely combat area where our allies are depending on us, that is at least betrayal of our allies isn't it?

Germany is a “likely combat area”? You do realize it’s not 1985 anymore, right?