Fool!Kelzie said:Like I said, Israel does not attack unless provoked.
AcePylut said:Iriemon:
For those neighborhoods in baghdad in which the terroristah scummah are survive and thrive because the population of that neighborhood accepts their presense, yes.
Kelzie said::lol: Unless the two citizens it arrests are part of a terrorist group that bombs Israel. From your own source:
Like I said, Israel does not attack unless provoked.
Iriemon said:So they were provoked. And then I could say the same about the otherside. The Palestinians were provoked by the military incursion into their country, which provoked the Israelis to invade Gaza, which provoked Hezbolla to retialiate in defense of their allies, which provoked Isreal to bomb Beruit, which provoked ....
You can always find an argument about being provoked. The question is whether the responses were legitimate and proportionate. Seems to me both sides were itching for a fight.
Kelzie said:Except the only reason that there was a military incursion by Israel was that they were arresting people who fire rockets on them. They were quite clearly in the right.
Iriemon said:A legitimate provoking.
Indy said:But remember that the US's official stance on using nuclear weapons is open remorse and regret.
Kelzie said:What kind of response is that?
Iriemon said:How so?
Iriemon said:In the pictures of the destroyed buildings you showed in another thread, have the survivors of Lebonese civilians killed by Isreali bombs been provoked to retaliate against Israel? Or would that be illegitimate?
Iriemon said:Seems to me that would be the entire city, and the entire Sunni region of Iraq, and the Shiite sections of Iraq, and the Kurdish sections of Iraq, because they all have neighborhoods in which the terroristah scummah are survive and thrive.
So after leveling the entire country, and killing millions of Iraqis, that will help accomplish the objective? What is the objective again?
GySgt said:The first trip into Fallujah was called off after we had gotten almost to the end of the city. It was called off because President Bush gave into political pressure in the states and international political pressure.
After the Marines left, Fallujah became the terrorist capitol of the world (as we called it). It became the central hub of organization for the insurgency and the local Sunni rebels. Very soon the IED factories became popping up and they began to headquarter in the hospital and in mosques to save them selves from American attack.
2nd Fallujah was far more deadlier than the first for both sides and the city was demolished in the process to dig out deep rooted terrorists. All because we were stopped short of our goals during 1st Fallujah.
Perhaps this is what he was referring to.
AcePylut said:This is exactly what I was referring to. Even one of my best buddies from High School, who went into the Marines (edited, lest one thinks I'm insulting you, as the term Jarhead could be taken in a deragatory fashion, even though I do not use it in this fashion) says pretty much exactly what you just said... He was stationed in Ramadi, and - if you remember the '5 Oclock Charlie' episode of MASH - had their "10AM Wednesday Hajji". He said it was like clockwork, every week on Wednesday at 10AM, an IED would explode on the road from Ramadi to Fallujah.
Iriemon said:It depends. If you are attacked by a nation there is a right to respond, but even there there is a line between efforts that legitimately reduce the nation's military power. In WWII, would the US have been justified in killing every single Japanese person?
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It depends. If you are attacked by a nation there is a right to respond, but even there there is a line between efforts that legitimately reduce the nation's military power. In WWII, would the US have been justified in killing every single Japanese person?
AcePylut said:Yes, we would have.
And that's exactly what we were doing, right until the point when the Emperor decided that committing the most unthinkable sin - surrendering - was a better choice then total annihilation.
AcePylut said:Yes, we would have.
And that's exactly what we were doing, right until the point when the Emperor decided that committing the most unthinkable sin - surrendering - was a better choice then total annihilation.
GySgt said:This is very well stated. Unfortunately, our western civilization today (with the help of the ever watchful and story frenzy media) does not have the stomach for such an endeavor. Instead they would rather watch individual wars that kill thousands and thousands of people, with breaks of false peace in between, instead of dealing with this once and for all.
However, there will come a day when Radical Islam detonates a nuclear device. What will our civilization do then as every Muslim government denies involvement and sends "condolensces?" Shall we wait for the next blast or act?
People just don't think the worst can ever happen. Even with 9/11, many merely hit the snooze.
What exactly are you suggesting we do to deal with this problem now? How could we deal with Radical Islam all at once?GySgt said:This is very well stated. Unfortunately, our western civilization today (with the help of the ever watchful and story frenzy media) does not have the stomach for such an endeavor. The act of "genocide" is disgusting, yet we face a situation where we are on a path towards this very thing. Instead they would rather watch individual wars that kill thousands and thousands of people, with breaks of false peace in between, instead of dealing with this once and for all.
However, there will come a day when Radical Islam detonates a nuclear device. What will our civilization do then as every Muslim government denies involvement and sends "condolensces?" Shall we wait for the next blast or act? Will we think back to a time when we could have dealt with this problem and killed far less people before they got nuclear weapons?
People just don't think the worst can ever happen. Even with 9/11, many merely hit the snooze.
Hobbes said:What exactly are you suggesting we do to deal with this problem now? How could we deal with Radical Islam all at once?
Iriemon said:How so?