‘War Is Here’: The Far-Right Responds to Charlie Kirk Shooting With Calls for Violence

[RF667799]

No, I was arguing we do nothing about lightning strikes. Ever. Just like shootings, and fires or riots. Nothing is ever done for any of those.

That's what I hear anyways.

You must have been having that conversation with someone else. Sounds like a strange one.

 

[roguenuke]

Kirk was a kid when he started this. He’s not targeting college kids because he’s so much older than them, he’s been doing this from day one.

As far as the things he said, my point was that he was a fairly mainstream moderate conservative. It’s fine if you disagree with conservatives in general, but acting like he was an extremist or hateful, racist or a bigot is just lunacy.

It goes to show how far the left has fallen from honest discussion that they always seem to resort to this labeling as a substitute for argument.

He was hateful though. I don't think he was extremist. In fact, I believe he was killed because he wasn't far enough to the right for extremists.

But that doesn't change that he was hateful towards others, did espouse things that hurt others, especially since he had such a huge platform, and that him doing it since he was younger doesn't change that he was only doing it to those who were naive and unable to counter his debate tricks. He utilized gish gallop, gaslighting and deflection in his debates. He also edited his debates with others. They have evidence of this happening.

 

[roguenuke]

I would probably tone it down a bit. It’s against the rules I believe to state openly you will report someone. Directly calling someone one a fascist is against the rules for which can be reported, quietly. It’s best to let the mods handle it. Of course, people will skirt around the rules by insinuating and not directly calling one a fascist. The best way for that is to call them out on it and continue on.

Correcting one part of this, calling a specific person on this board a fascist is against the rules. It is not against the rules to call other people, political figures or those not on this board fascists. This is an important distinction.

 

[roguenuke]

Are you gonna do the meme?

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Fires being in cities, visible in a news report, is not the same thing as "cities burning". A building or even multiple set on fire is not "cities burning". And at least one case within these reports was a white nationalist who started the fire to spark the situation.

‘Boogaloo Boi’ charged in fire of Minneapolis police precinct during George Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a Texas rightwing extremist, bragged about helping to set the fire then was seen shooting 13 rounds at the building

www.theguardian.com

 

[roguenuke]

*snort*

Literally millions of people around the world are talking about Charlie and the massive impact his assassination has had on our country. But, yeah, he's no leader. I'm not sure why it's taken you so long in life to realize that just because you dislike someone, doesn't mean they aren't important or powerful. The world doesn't revolve or define its ideas around your feelings.

Talking about "the massive impact his assassination" has had isn't the same as saying the person made a positive impact, especially before they were killed.

MLK Jr made a positive impact before he was killed, not simply an impact from his death. And it can be argued that a lot of people think the impact Kirk's death is making isn't or won't be positive.

 

[roguenuke]

No. He was shot in the throat for trying to have a civil public debate.

Correction here, he was not "shot in the throat for trying to have a civil public debate". He was likely killed for a different reason, like revenge or feeling he wasn't saying the right things or hate or some combination of these or other reasons. One of the least likely reasons he was killed was for what you stated here.

 

[roguenuke]

D'Aw! You DID do the meme!

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So. How many cities do you think will see comparable levels of damage in riots in response to the killing of Charlie Kirk?

For some reason, ya'll appear allergic to answering this question.

What reason exactly would people have to protest, which can devolve into rioting, for Kirk's death? Why do people protest things? What was their reasons for those protests? These are important questions to consider.

 

[roguenuke]

Kirk brought thoughtful and reasoned discussion to college campus's. He was assassinated by a rabid leftist who engraved transgender garbage on the bullets. He did this because he was assassinating Kirk who spoke out for men marrying women and raising children. The assassin lived with his transgender partner.

Nothing about transgender people was in the engravings on the shells and they actually are from far right memes, much more commonly used by members of the Groyper Army, a group that listens to Nick Fuentes.

 

[LouC]

<snipped>

I've never said media lies are ok, but the liberal media absolutely leads the minds of the liberal left and when they lie, everybody on the left believes it

That isn't at all true, in another word, that is a lie.

 

[snakestretcher]

never

is this one of those "but what about ..." responses ?

I've never said media lies are ok, but the liberal media absolutely leads the minds of the liberal left and when they lie, everybody on the left believes it

Trump and Russia ring a bell ? Ya'll STILL believe that
Masks stop covid/save lives? Ya'll STILL believe that
Charlie Kirk was a racist Nazi ? Ya'll are going to believe that because you were told to

No, I know Kirk was a racist because of his remarks.

Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’

The far-right commentator didn’t pull his punches when discussing his bigoted views on current events

www.theguardian.com

Feel free to comment.

 

[Josie]

Talking about "the massive impact his assassination" has had isn't the same as saying the person made a positive impact, especially before they were killed.

MLK Jr made a positive impact before he was killed, not simply an impact from his death. And it can be argued that a lot of people think the impact Kirk's death is making isn't or won't be positive.

You do realize there were people who loved and hated Lincoln, MLK, Jr., etc. There were people who thought Lincoln had a positive impact and people who thought he was the devil.

How Charlie's assassination will impact the country in the future remains to be seen. How people react to it in the next few days, weeks, months, years could possibly be tantamount to the future of the country.

 

[Koala]

Just a quick question: is the far right advocating for violence against white males?
Cause thats who has been responsible for the vast majority of terrorist incidents (i.e. school shootings, mass shootings) in the U.S. recently.
I know all white people arent terrorists, but why is it that most terrorists are white?
Gee, not so much fun when people use your crappy logic against you, now, is it?

And btw, second point, why is it all of a sudden, this shooter;s family upbringing (clearly heavy MAGA supporters) is no longer relevant? Oh suddenly now that has nothing to do with it, right? Forget how far rightists would react if the family had turned out to be leftists (theyd be calling for war like the depraved lunatics they are), lets take an even better, more similar example.

What if it turned out he had been brought up , sayyy, MUSLIM? Well we know exactly howd they react, no way theyd be claiming his family upbringing was irrelevant. In fact, we know exactly what theyd be saying: theyd be going full racist anti-muslim, and pinning the blame on his Muslim parents, and Islam for generally being a violence-prone religion so everybody touched by Islam, even Muslims rebelling against their upbringing, are still forever tainted by the devilish religion.

I KNOW thats what theyd be seeing, cause that exactly what they said when a VERRRRY similar incident occured. Remember the Orlando gay night club shooting. The shooter, it turned, was raised a Muslim in a conservative Muslim houselhold that rejected of course, homosexuality -- which it turned out the shooter was "struggling with". So ofcourse, everyone, especially the depraved right, excuse me, far right -- they actually said things, like, if Muslims were more like Christians they would have found a way to accept and lvoe their homosexual son, instead of rejecting him and driving him to violence. I kid you not, this what these people actually say when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Jagged]

now show where Trump has said protest peacefully

will you?

How can I? He didn't. He said he knows they'll march to the Capitol peacefully & patriotically, which they did. It was once they got there, some of them got violent and some broke into the Capitol to unpatriotically stop the peaceful transfer of power.

If you don't know Trump inspired that invasion, that's on you.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Yes, we should deny the evidence of our eyes. This is kind of like how everyone who dies with Covid was recorded as having died of Covid.

No, I don’t believe you. We’ve seen the riots, we’ve seen what happens if someone wears a maga hat at the wrong place, we all know what happens if you have a Trump bumper sticker in a blue city, we saw what happened to Tesla cars when Elon worked for the administration, we’ve seen right leaning speakers get their events shut down by threats, violence and intimidation, we’ve seen masked antifa members committing acts of violence.

Lying with statistics is still lying.

I don’t believe you.

I do not believe a damn thing that you say.

 

[cpwill]

You asked how many cities were going to burn.

What you were asked was : How many cities do you think are going to face comparable damage from riots in response to Charlie Kirk's shooting?

You chose to focus on semantics over the word "Burn" to insist that it meant "entire cities burned to the ground", which is silly, but an obvious attempt to avoid the actual question at hand.

So. So. How many cities do you think are going to face comparable damage from riots in response to Charlie Kirk's shooting?

 

[cpwill]

If cops had murdered Charlie Kirk for no reason in cold blood, do you genuinely believe there would be zero retaliation? Be honest.

Someone did murder Charlie Kirk for no good reason in cold blood.

Bold is your jumped conclusion.

That is indeed what he was doing.

Groypers hated Kirk because Kirk was so pro-Israel. They’re so far right that Kirk’s friendliness to the Jews made him seem a lefty, so they offed him.

Bold is your jumped conclusion.

You could consider Kirk a victim of being targeted for his left wing views.

:lol: Yeah. If there's anything we know about the Left Wing right now, it's that they love Israel.

 

[cpwill]

You said cities were burned.

And they did. Later people began to insist that this must somehow mean entire cities burned to the ground, which is an attempt to goalpost move, so I responded by adjusting the question to "How many cities will see comparable levels of damage".

Thus far, they have refused to answer that question, for reasons that seem pretty obvious, but which are awkward for them.

 

[cpwill]

Fun fact, @cpwill , 67% of all of the buildings in Palisades were burnt or +6K total buildings during the California fires.

If less than 2% of any city at worst, with most having decimal % fire damage means "cities were burning", then 67% must be the apocalypse or something.

Cool. So. How many cities do you think will see comparable damage to the BLM-associated riots in response to the Kirk shooting?

Man, this ChatGPT is being used all wrong by the boomers here, huh?

How unsurprising if you fall into that category.

 

[Buster Keaton]

Okay, but you are past that stage, what's the plan here? Give us the solution, enough mystery.

the first thing that needs to be done is the Left Wingers need to grow up

 

[roguenuke]

You do realize there were people who loved and hated Lincoln, MLK, Jr., etc. There were people who thought Lincoln had a positive impact and people who thought he was the devil.

How Charlie's assassination will impact the country in the future remains to be seen. How people react to it in the next few days, weeks, months, years could possibly be tantamount to the future of the country.

What is the positive impact of what Kirk has said? What has been the positive impact of what Kirk's death has brought so far?

I've seen a lot of negative from his death so far, including reactions and overreactions and demonizing. I also saw a lot of negative from what he's said, especially the lies and attempts to make this country more "Christian", but really just his brand of Christian.

And what do you think about those other deaths, or more importantly their lives, what they did? Is it right to compare them all?

 

[justoneman]

Nothing about transgender people was in the engravings on the shells and they actually are from far right memes, much more commonly used by members of the Groyper Army, a group that listens to Nick Fuentes

He is gay. He lived with a guy pretending to be a woman. The bullet casings read these:

'notices', 'bulges', 'OWO' 'what's this?'

And

If you read this you're gay.

He is absolutely one of yours.

 

[Josie]

What is the positive impact of what Kirk has said?

He got college kids talking about important topics with someone who might disagree with them. He offered a different opinion to trans kids and adults to help them deal with the things they were struggling with.

What has been the positive impact of what Kirk's death has brought so far?

None, that I've seen so far. From either side.

I've seen a lot of negative from his death so far, including reactions and overreactions and demonizing. I also saw a lot of negative from what he's said, especially the lies and attempts to make this country more "Christian", but really just his brand of Christian.

And what do you think about those other deaths, or more importantly their lives, what they did? Is it right to compare them all?

What other deaths are you talking about?

 

[soap box]

now show where Trump has said protest peacefully

will you?

If trump said "fight" 23 times in that speech, his followers knew that he didn't mean to punch and assault people. He meant "fight" as an expression of figurative language, like a sporting event. It's called an idiom as this is a phrase not to be taken literally.

So when Trump used the word"peacefully" everyone knew that also was just a figure of speech, and "peacefully", just like "fight", was not to be taken literally.

 

[roguenuke]

He is gay. He lived with a guy pretending to be a woman. The bullet casings read these:

'notices', 'bulges', 'OWO' 'what's this?'

And

If you read this you're gay.

He is absolutely one of yours.

That first one is commonly used against furries or by furries, not transgender people. It a way to mock them. Others have picked it up, but generally it relates to the furry community and is

What Is The 'Notices Bulge, OwO What's This' Meme? The Phrase Inscribed On The Casing Of The Bullet Fired At Charlie Kirk Explained

Charlie Kirk's assassin was caught, and according to reports, the casing from the bullet fired at Kirk read, "Notices bulges, OwO What's This?" Here's an explanation of the meme, and why it's garnering attention online.

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The second one is actually derogatory towards gay people since it uses being gay as a soft insult. It is similar to how calling football players or military recruits "ladies" is sexism, indicating they are "weak" and that weak should be associated with being a woman, a girl.

 

[roguenuke]

He got college kids talking about important topics with someone who might disagree with them. He offered a different opinion to trans kids and adults to help them deal with the things they were struggling with.



None, that I've seen so far. From either side.



What other deaths are you talking about?

He wanted transgender kids to be shunned, stop receiving medical care simply because he disapproved of the care. That is a fact. And he talked about women only going to college to get their MRS. He wanted to put Christian principles into our public schools. These are not good things. It wasn't simply a counter point. And he never actually listened to people who disagreed with him, usually talking over them or around them.

The lists and threats are problems. That is a negative impact in itself. Several schools have been put on lockdown and a person was already shot because of one of those lockdowns due to threats that happened the day after.

Midshipman at US Naval Academy was shot by security forces during lockdown

A person was hurt at the U.S. Naval Academy, as security officials responding to reports of suspicious activity were clearing a building, according to a statement.

abcnews.go.com

These threats for many campuses increased drastically the days after Kirk was shot.

The deaths of those prominent people mentioned, MLK and Lincoln.