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‘One Nation Under Allah’

MrVicchio said:
You do understand that theologically, Allah cannot be God right? Let's break this down:

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just as one example. Feel free to read through that.

Calling Allah God is incorrect, calling Allah the god of Islam.. is correct.

There is a difference, a huge difference theologically between Allah and God. Jesus is the Son of God, or as some would put it, God made mortal to walk among us. Islam abjectly refutes this.

So Pete, you are arguing from a position of sheer ignorance and resting your case on a very flimsy, limited scope of understanding or knowledge. SIf you want to try and make the case that there is no difference between "Allah" and God, please shower us with your ignorance further.
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You did not bother with this much. Allah is neither the God of the Bible nor (if you are Christian) your God. Further this is not a religious debate but a lingual one. In Arabic the word for linguistically is "Allah."
 
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MrVicchio said:
You do understand that theologically, Allah cannot be God right?
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Do you understand that theology is making excuses for your version of a religion instead of facts right?

Calling Allah God is incorrect, calling Allah the god of Islam.. is correct.
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Wrong... Allah means God in Arabic.

There is a difference, a huge difference theologically between Allah and God. Jesus is the Son of God, or as some would put it, God made mortal to walk among us. Islam abjectly refutes this.
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No there is not. It is the same diety and Jesus was his son... supposedly.

So Pete, you are arguing from a position of sheer ignorance and resting your case on a very flimsy, limited scope of understanding or knowledge. SIf you want to try and make the case that there is no difference between "Allah" and God, please shower us with your ignorance further.
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Only ignorance here is from you... and the following explains why.

Answer me this then... if it is not the same god, then why is Jesus a prophet in both? Why are personalities like Abraham and what not.. in both books? Are you seriously saying there is more than one god?

And it does not change the freaking fact that the Arabic word for god is Allah and the said the pledge in Arabic. What would you have them do.. say everything in Arabic but the word God? How about when the pledge is said in Spanish? Do they say God or Dios? Eh?

This a stupid thread and a typical brain dead idiotic right wing bull**** fear mongering crap thread and I wont waste more time trying to explain simple language to idiots.
 
MrVicchio said:
You do understand that theologically, Allah cannot be God right? Let's break this down:

The Holy Bible teaches that God cannot be tempted by evil and neither tempts anyone with evil; evil being understood as referring to immorality and sin. James 1:13 (c.f. Psalm 5:4-5; Habakkuk 1:13)
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Then why did he place the tree of knowledge in plane sight of two hungry idiots?
 
MrVicchio said:
Why? You're ignorant of the truth and refuse to see it. Allah is not God. Sorry, different meaning all together. Islam takes some historical ties to Judeo-Christian history and creates Allah who is so unlike the God of Abraham as to be soemthing else entirely. Theologically, you cannot pair the two. It's impossible to do so. Using politically correct ignorance one can make that tie, but only through such.


Allah is not God. It is a word with a specific meaning, and to claim it "just means God" shows a complete and utter disregard to reality, continuing to do so shows willful ignorance.
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So what are you claiming Arab Christians refer to God as?
 
PeteEU said:
Are you seriously saying there is more than one god?
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Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. And what the one true God warns about throughout the Bible. What is the first of the ten commandments? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." How could there be other gods before God, if there were no other gods? They may be golden calfs and gods only in weak-minded or they might be Satan himself? Either way, God warns right in the very first commandment.

Allah, the god of Islam calls Muslims to violence. To kill. To destroy and to hate.

That is the opposite of the God of Israel. We must be very clear on which god we pledge. Using the Muslim term "allah" in America implies the wrong god. I for one, want no part of Muslim destruction, violence and hate, so let's drop the "allah" nonsense and stick with the God of Israel?
 
Ahahahaha. Google "Colorado High School Students Say Pledge In Arabic" and every result is either Breitbart, MrConservative, NYFirearms, TruthRevolt, Fox (naturally)...not a single mainstream news outlet.
 
Respecthelect said:
Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. And what the one true God warns about throughout the Bible. What is the first of the ten commandments? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." How could there be other gods before God, if there were no other gods? They may be golden calfs and gods only in weak-minded or they might be Satan himself? Either way, God warns right in the very first commandment.

Allah, the god of Islam calls Muslims to violence. To kill. To destroy and to hate.

That is the opposite of the God of Israel. We must be very clear on which god we pledge. Using the Muslim term "allah" in America implies the wrong god. I for one, want no part of Muslim destruction, violence and hate, so let's drop the "allah" nonsense and stick with the God of Israel?
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No it doesn't. Allah is a general term meaning god much as the Latin word deus is a general term for god that the Romans used in reference to their gods as well as the Christian god. Just as the word god itself is a general term for a deity and not necessarily the Christian god.

Both Arab Christians and Some middle eastern Jews use the word Allah to refer to god.
 
My post #34 in this thread and yet it continues to ramble on, or should that be rumble on?


So, why have the usual suspects brought up something that happened more than a year ago?
Somerville said:
Guess what kids!!

Those who are ranting about Allah indoctrination are having their chains pulled by their overlords

From the school district
January 2013 Pledge of Allegiance story resurfaces in some media
In recent days a few national media outlets have reposted a story from January 2013 about students at Rocky Mountain High School reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in Arabic. This story contained incomplete information and occurred 17 months ago. The situation was quickly resolved. It is important to note that the students no longer participate in this activity and the Pledge of Allegiance is recited at Rocky and all PSD schools in English.
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Why are the usual suspects bringing up a year old story and raving that the sacrilege is taking place NOW!!?? One, who is not so gullible, just might think the right's overlords are starting to worry about this autumn's elections and therefore are willing to lie simply to stir up their base.
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Tralfamadore said:
Have you not read the Bible? It is full of examples of God ordering people to commit violence.
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Please read the thread, so we don't have to repeat ourselves, rehashing old ground. This is from post 37, in response to the very same point you made way back then.

Respecthelect said:
being Christian, doesn't mean pacifism. Republican's fighting to end Democrat-led slavery during the Civil War is righteous, for example. Muslim's cheering 9/11, not so much.
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Respecthelect said:
Please read the thread, so we don't have to repeat ourselves, rehashing old ground. This is from post 37, in response to the very same point you made then.



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Except that Democrats in the 1860s used bible verses to justify slavery.

Slavery in the Bible

Many instances of god-mandated slavery and nowhere, in either testament, did god go :Oopsie: or :slapme: and recant.
According to the bible slavery IS moral and one of my personal nails-in-the-coffin for judeo-islamo-christian religions.
 
Somerville said:
and it is "ignorant" to say the Buddha is a god, for he is not
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You realize that I was merely using an example of how ignorant it is to say Allah is God, I bet you think Allah Ackbar means God is Great too.
 
JW Radcliff said:
I stand by statement. Funny how the left goes out its way to remove any public reference of God but has no problem with public references of Allah
Our kids must be so confused, they don't know which way is up. Our public schools are now the one teaching morals to our kids?. And it's not their domain anyway. Changing the pledge from God to Allah is way beyond their purview.

Parents who truly love and care about their children will do whatever it takes to get them out of any school that messes with them.
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Holy ****. I'm grateful that due to old age, demographic shifts, and hyperobesity, the people who think like this will be completely marginalized within another election cycle or two.
 
Respecthelect said:
Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. And what the one true God warns about throughout the Bible. What is the first of the ten commandments? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." How could there be other gods before God, if there were no other gods? They may be golden calfs and gods only in weak-minded or they might be Satan himself? Either way, God warns right in the very first commandment.

Allah, the god of Islam calls Muslims to violence. To kill. To destroy and to hate.

That is the opposite of the God of Israel. We must be very clear on which god we pledge. Using the Muslim term "allah" in America implies the wrong god. I for one, want no part of Muslim destruction, violence and hate, so let's drop the "allah" nonsense and stick with the God of Israel?
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Bull**** from start to finish and total brainwashed crap. Same god, same amount of violence in both books.. only difference is that Christians ignore most of the violent stuff these days. It comes all down to interpretation and what bits you use..

And it does NOT change the fact that they recited the pledge in Arabic and the Arabic word for God is Allah... why are you and the other Christian Taliban ignoring this key fact?
 
MrVicchio said:
NO, no no no no no no no.

Ignorance abounds, you speak from little wisdom and an assiduity of arrogance.


Allah does NOT mean God, not in the Biblical God. Why is that hard to grasp?
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It is a literal translation of the word God into Allah, why is that so hard for you to grasp?

It is just a freaking word, once you realize that, you realize how silly the whole thing is.
 
RogueWarrior said:
That was BEFORE.
God is taking his medication now.
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Yeah, but his son really really hates fig trees. You wonder why he got so pissed off at a tree that didn't have fruit on it...during a non fruiting season. That Jesus guy had some rage issues.
 
Respecthelect said:
Please read the thread, so we don't have to repeat ourselves, rehashing old ground. This is from post 37, in response to the very same point you made way back then.
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Okay, so I pointed out that the Bible is full of examples of God ordering violence, and your response is to show examples where violence is righteous. Are you saying that all cases of violence that God ordered in the Bible are righteous? Because if you are, you have no room to criticize violent passages in the Qur'an.

Or is violence only righteous if it comes at the hands of a Christian?
 
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