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‘It’s not a pretty picture’: Russia’s support is growing in the developing world

Antiwar said:
I don't really fear nuclear war. Fear will come with nuclear war. And, no, that's not the only way to prevent nuclear war. But I won't bother posting why because you're not interested in intellectually honest discussion/debate. All you're interested in regarding this topic is cheerleading for Uncle Sam.



My "proposal" is very different than anything that's happening (I have to put it that way because you didn't make it clear as to what you're talking about).

And there's more than the premise of an effective international justice system. It starts with, yes, the US shouldn't be the shot caller (because I despise injustice). You're okay with injustice; you just dismiss it with nonsense like 'the US had to stop "communism" in the other non-white Americas.'
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And that would be?
 
Antiwar said:
I don't really fear nuclear war. Fear will come with nuclear war. And, no, that's not the only way to prevent nuclear war. But I won't bother posting why because you're not interested in intellectually honest discussion/debate.
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This isn't true. The last time you made any attempt to discuss this super duper plan of yours you essentially said, "Peace process!" and waved your hands in the air. Your goals are admirable, but your ethics are not. If you don't have a plan then just say you don't have a plan. I don't understand why you're being dishonest.

Antiwar said:
All you're interested in regarding this topic is cheerleading for Uncle Sam.
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That's not all I'm interested in.

Antiwar said:
My "proposal" is very different than anything that's happening (I have to put it that way because you didn't make it clear as to what you're talking about).
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How would your international "justice" system bring Putin to justice without the assistance of the Russian people or without a war against Russia?

Antiwar said:
And there's more than the premise of an effective international justice system. It starts with, yes, the US shouldn't be the shot caller (because I despise injustice).
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It doesn't matter who the shot caller is if the same dynamics are in place. A non-compliant state with nuclear weapons would just use them instead of allowing your "justice" system to arrest a 'criminal' leader.

Antiwar said:
You're okay with injustice; you just dismiss it with nonsense like 'the US had to stop "communism" in the other non-white Americas.'
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The U.S. did have to stop communism. You just don't know what the Communists are about and what they tried to do. And they seem feckless, weak only now because they've been defeated.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This isn't true. The last time you made any attempt to discuss this super duper plan of yours you essentially said, "Peace process!" and waved your hands in the air.
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Why do you have the need to repeatedly lie about this? I have intellectual integrity.
 
Antiwar said:
Why do you have the need to repeatedly lie about this? I have intellectual integrity.
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Don't you have your plan written down? Just copy and paste it on here. If it's going to work then it has to pass scrutiny on here. Do you think people in the "real" world will be more welcoming? And if you don't have a plan, that's okay too. Nobody will hold that against you because who has a detailed plan for world peace in their back pocket? However, I think lying about having a plan, though, now that is something that deserves criticism.
 
Antiwar said:
Your trolling shows the weakness of your commentary.
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I don't have a plan. I don't think there will ever be peace, so I'm not trying to create a mystery cult around a peace plan that doesn't exist.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Don't you have your plan written down? Just copy and paste it on here. If it's going to work then it has to pass scrutiny on here. Do you think people in the "real" world will be more welcoming? And if you don't have a plan, that's okay too. Nobody will hold that against you because who has a detailed plan for world peace in their back pocket? However, I think lying about having a plan, though, now that is something that deserves criticism.
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I hope you're just pretending that this forum is serious enough for that.

"Lying about a plan" for world peace. 'Chuckle' isn't strong enough, but I don't care for LOL and LMAO.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I don't have a plan. I don't think there will ever be peace, so I'm not trying to create a mystery cult around a peace plan that doesn't exist.
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A "mystery cult." Chuckle. Don't blame me because you can't handle intellectually honest discussion/debate.

I know that none of you here, nor US congress, etc have a good plan. All you have is outdated momentum, reasoning, and slogans.
 
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Antiwar said:
I hope you're just pretending that this forum is serious enough for that.

"Lying about a plan" for world peace. 'Chuckle' isn't strong enough, but I don't care for LOL and LMAO.
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You can do whatever you want, there are no obligations here.
 
Antiwar said:
A "mystery cult." Chuckle. Don't blame me because you can't handle intellectually honest discussion/debate.
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I am just asking you what your plan is beyond, "peace process."

You can present it in any form you want. You could present a bunch of bullet points, or an interpretive dance, I don't care.

Antiwar said:
I know that none of you here, nor US congress, etc have a good plan. All you have is outdated momentum, reasoning, and slogans.
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Okay, fine. Can you present something better?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I am just asking you what your plan is beyond, "peace process."

You can present it in any form you want. You could present a bunch of bullet points, or an interpretive dance, I don't care.
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Search the key words with my screen name and read those threads.

W_Heisenberg said:
Okay, fine. Can you present something better?
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Are you finally admitting that pretty much everything is being risked?
 
Antiwar said:
A "mystery cult." Chuckle. Don't blame me because you can't handle intellectually honest discussion/debate.
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Antiwar said:
Search the key words with my screen name and read those threads.



Are you finally admitting that pretty much everything is being risked?
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Go search for something that doesn't exist.

Classic avoidance.
 
Antiwar said:
Search the key words with my screen name and read those threads.
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You have 25,000+ posts.

Would you be so kind as to drop a link to your plan in your reply?

Thanks.

Antiwar said:
Are you finally admitting that pretty much everything is being risked?
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I have never not agreed with the idea that we face risk from global warming or nuclear war. I even agree with your goals. Who doesn't want peace? That's part of the reason why I am interested in seeing your plan. However, I also believe you're not a serious person, so I don't take what you say seriously either. I also believe that your general approach -- as I have been able to ascertain in bits and pieces through your various snide remarks, egotistical comments, and insults directed at others -- is not practical in any way whatsoever. The best way to navigate all these risks is to approach the world in a practical way, and understand what can and cannot be accomplished. A good example of this is global warming. I don't like the idea of using fossil fuels. I also like the idea of human beings having access to the energy generated from it, because without fossil fuels, billions of human beings would starve. So, instead of making everyone ride bicycles I would suggest things like greater investments in nuclear power (fission) and more research into fusion power, while at the same time understanding we're not going to be able to stop the short-term consumption of fossil fuels. It's just not going to happen and we're going to have to mitigate that risk in some other way.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
You have 25,000+ posts.

Would you be so kind as to drop a link to your plan in your reply?

Thanks.



I have never not agreed with the idea that we face risk from global warming or nuclear war. I even agree with your goals. Who doesn't want peace? That's part of the reason why I am interested in seeing your plan. However, I also believe you're not a serious person, so I don't take what you say seriously either. I also believe that your general approach -- as I have been able to ascertain in bits and pieces through your various snide remarks, egotistical comments, and insults directed at others -- is not practical in any way whatsoever. The best way to navigate all these risks is to approach the world in a practical way, and understand what can and cannot be accomplished. A good example of this is global warming. I don't like the idea of using fossil fuels. I also like the idea of human beings having access to the energy generated from it, because without fossil fuels, billions of human beings would starve. So, instead of making everyone ride bicycles I would suggest things like greater investments in nuclear power (fission) and more research into fusion power, while at the same time understanding we're not going to be able to stop the short-term consumption of fossil fuels. It's just not going to happen and we're going to have to mitigate that risk in some other way.
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I have a couple of fresh threads I started.
 
Antiwar said:
I have a couple of fresh threads I started.
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Okay, do these threads involve you presenting a topic of discussion, or do they involve a plan of yours? All I see is you debating and discussing the idea in general. I am curious about your plan. It seems like you don't have one. And that's okay. I didn't expect you to have one and I think it's unreasonable to expect you to have one, but you keep mentioning there is some way to do this, but I can't find it. As this plan of yours evolves beyond just discussing the general idea?
 
ralfy said:
www.cnbc.com

'It's not a pretty picture': Russia's support is growing in the developing world

Russia's sphere of influence is growing as propaganda and diplomatic efforts gather momentum, analysts suggest.
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Trump is partly to blame for this.

Trump gutted the State Department. People were fired and/or left in protest of the cut backs as Trump claimed he was 'shrinking government.'

(Government actually grew during Trump's 4 years, as it always does and should in response to a growing country facing emerging threats and issues.)

Long standing relationships between career diplomats in the US Department of State and compatriots in other nations were lost. Those kinds of things cannot be replaced with the snap of a finger.

The destruction Trump caused continues to haunt us.

China was ever-so-happy to move right into the diplomatic vacuum caused by Trump, who understood nothing.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Okay, do these threads involve you presenting a topic of discussion, or do they involve a plan of yours? All I see is you debating and discussing the idea in general. I am curious about your plan. It seems like you don't have one. And that's okay. I didn't expect you to have one and I think it's unreasonable to expect you to have one, but you keep mentioning there is some way to do this, but I can't find it. As this plan of yours evolves beyond just discussing the general idea?
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I can propose the premise of a peace plan but I can't flesh it out by myself- that takes People Power.
 
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