‘He’s not getting out’: Calls for Trump to pardon Derek Chauvin slammed by state AG who says former cop ‘still owes Minnesota 22 1/2 years’

[noonereal]

Floyd was under the influence and was medically compromised due to his prior drug use, both of which were factors in his death.
To ignore these factors would simply not be credible.


Floyd's criminal history established him as a 'thug', not the racism based remark you just made.

And we put up a statue of him in Union Sq.

Mind blowing.

 

[eohrnberger]

And we put up a statue of him in Union Sq.

Mind blowing.

Saint George, to the left apparently.
To be fair, it did give the left their excuse and media cover to riot and burn shit down.

 

[notquiteright]

Floyd was under the influence and was medically compromised due to his prior drug use, both of which were factors in his death.
To ignore these factors would simply not be credible.
Floyd's criminal history established him as a 'thug', not the racism based remark you just made.

All brought up at trial and by the Law Enforcement apologists outside- but simply put Chavin and all violated police procedure and Chavin knelt on Floyd's neck and shoulders for an excessive amount of time. 9 minutes.
Floyd's criminal history was in Texas, nothing in Minnesota, how would Officer Chavin had known of a past history prior to kneeling on Floyd's neck????
This incident was started by a phony 20, not a drug deal, or armed robbery, but passing a phony 20 in a local store. Not a violent crime.
Simply put Chavin had quite a record of misconduct and a blind eye turned to it all. 17 complaints.
Chavin thought he was 6 foot tall and untouchable, I imagine he is getting touched far more often in the prison showers. Wonder how many cigarettes it takes to get him for the night...'boy ya gots a prutty smile'....

 

[notquiteright]

Saint George, to the left apparently.
To be fair, it did give the left their excuse and media cover to riot and burn shit down.

Who succeeded in death what no one could do in life- hold a bastard cop accountable...
St. George, the Chavin Slayer....

 

[noonereal]

Saint George, to the left apparently.
To be fair, it did give the left their excuse and media cover to riot and burn shit down.

Post reasonably. Thanks

 

[eohrnberger]

All brought up at trial and by the Law Enforcement apologists outside- but simply put Chavin and all violated police procedure and Chavin knelt on Floyd's neck and shoulders for an excessive amount of time. 9 minutes.

If I recall it was approved restraint procedure at the time.

Floyd's criminal history was in Texas, nothing in Minnesota, how would Officer Chavin had known of a past history prior to kneeling on Floyd's neck????

Raising Floyds criminal record is in response to the left's glorification and sanctification of Floyd.

• The left, including progressive Democrats, activists, and media, portrayed Floyd as an “icon” for racial justice. For example, a Herald Tribune article (2022) criticized a piece claiming Floyd was an “icon for all Americans,” arguing it overlooked his criminal past (Herald Tribune, 2022).
• Memorials, statues (e.g., Brooklyn’s Juneteenth installation, 2021), and legislative proposals like the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act (2020) cemented his symbolic status (Politifact, 2021; Congress.gov, 2020). These actions, supported by Democratic leaders like Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Cory Booker, focused on Floyd’s death as a call for reform, rarely mentioning his criminal history.
• PolicyLink (2021) described Floyd’s death as sparking demands to “Defund the Police” and dismantle systemic racism, framing him as a victim of a flawed criminal-legal system without referencing his arrests (PolicyLink, 2021).
• Left-leaning outlets and activists often argued Floyd’s record was irrelevant. Snopes (2020) noted his past was used to “rationalize police actions” but emphasized that “committing crimes in the past doesn’t give cops the right to strangle you” (Reddit, 2021). The Washington Post (2020) detailed his arrests but framed them as part of systemic issues in Houston’s Third Ward, not personal failing (Washington Post, 2020).
• Prominent Democrats, like President Joe Biden and Rep. Maxine Waters, made public statements during Chauvin’s trial (2021) calling for justice, framing Floyd’s death as emblematic of systemic racism without addressing his past (Star Tribune, 2025). Judge Peter Cahill criticized such comments as potentially influencing the jury, suggesting political pressure (Star Tribune, 2025).
• The New York Times (2025) notes that while initial bipartisan outrage over Floyd’s death was universal, the left’s focus on systemic issues often omitted his criminal history,

This incident was started by a phony 20, not a drug deal, or armed robbery, but passing a phony 20 in a local store. Not a violent crime.
Simply put Chavin had quite a record of misconduct and a blind eye turned to it all. 17 complaints.

Not a position which I'm arguing.

Chavin thought he was 6 foot tall and untouchable,

No, he was 5' 9" 140 lbs. vs. Floyd's 6' 4" 223 lbs. I think you imagination is running away with you.

I imagine he is getting touched far more often in the prison showers. Wonder how many cigarettes it takes to get him for the night...'boy ya gots a prutty smile'....

Yeah, your imagination is running away with you, and apparently a very vivid and strange one at that.

 

[notquiteright]

If I recall it was approved restraint procedure at the time.


Raising Floyds criminal record is in response to the left's glorification and sanctification of Floyd.

• The left, including progressive Democrats, activists, and media, portrayed Floyd as an “icon” for racial justice. For example, a Herald Tribune article (2022) criticized a piece claiming Floyd was an “icon for all Americans,” arguing it overlooked his criminal past (Herald Tribune, 2022).
• Memorials, statues (e.g., Brooklyn’s Juneteenth installation, 2021), and legislative proposals like the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act (2020) cemented his symbolic status (Politifact, 2021; Congress.gov, 2020). These actions, supported by Democratic leaders like Rep. Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Cory Booker, focused on Floyd’s death as a call for reform, rarely mentioning his criminal history.
• PolicyLink (2021) described Floyd’s death as sparking demands to “Defund the Police” and dismantle systemic racism, framing him as a victim of a flawed criminal-legal system without referencing his arrests (PolicyLink, 2021).
• Left-leaning outlets and activists often argued Floyd’s record was irrelevant. Snopes (2020) noted his past was used to “rationalize police actions” but emphasized that “committing crimes in the past doesn’t give cops the right to strangle you” (Reddit, 2021). The Washington Post (2020) detailed his arrests but framed them as part of systemic issues in Houston’s Third Ward, not personal failing (Washington Post, 2020).
• Prominent Democrats, like President Joe Biden and Rep. Maxine Waters, made public statements during Chauvin’s trial (2021) calling for justice, framing Floyd’s death as emblematic of systemic racism without addressing his past (Star Tribune, 2025). Judge Peter Cahill criticized such comments as potentially influencing the jury, suggesting political pressure (Star Tribune, 2025).
• The New York Times (2025) notes that while initial bipartisan outrage over Floyd’s death was universal, the left’s focus on systemic issues often omitted his criminal history,

Not a position which I'm arguing.


No, he was 5' 9" 140 lbs. vs. Floyd's 6' 4" 223 lbs. I think you imagination is running away with you.


Yeah, your imagination is running away with you, and apparently a very vivid and strange one at that.

9 minutes on the neck most certainty was not proper procedure and that's what earned Chavin his guest spot in the prison showers....
I get the Rabid Right wants to cry for a bad cop, pretend Floyd's Texas Criminal record mattered to the locals up north, but fact is Chavin had no clue about Flyod's background. Only after the fact did the Police Union President and his wife try to make something of Floyd in Texas....
I really don't care what was said AFTER the trial. Chavin was a bad cop and finally lost the blue wall of silence. This was a topic on Chavin getting a pardon from the Convict in Chief, not the drama afterwards. Chavin was found guilty after a trail Floyd was denied and couldn't get it overturned, given his past history of dodging accountability I imagine he couldn't believe it. Bet he believes it now...

 

[Nickyjo]

His criminal history made it ok to execute the "thug" then?

People stopped by cops are almost by definition suspected of doing something unacceptable. So when an incident like the Floyd or Rodney King occurs, those who want to minimize the equally or more unacceptable police actions figure out ways to blame the victim.

 

[eohrnberger]

9 minutes on the neck most certainty was not proper procedure and that's what earned Chavin his guest spot in the prison showers....

I've never taken the position that it wasn't.

I get the Rabid Right wants to cry for a bad cop, pretend Floyd's Texas Criminal record mattered to the locals up north, but fact is Chavin had no clue about Flyod's background.

Again, not a position which I've taken.

Only after the fact did the Police Union President and his wife try to make something of Floyd in Texas....

I really don't care what was said AFTER the trial. Chavin was a bad cop and finally lost the blue wall of silence.

My position is that there are people who shouldn't be cops, and they need to be removed from the police force.

This was a topic on Chavin getting a pardon from the Convict in Chief, not the drama afterwards. Chavin was found guilty after a trail Floyd was denied and couldn't get it overturned, given his past history of dodging accountability I imagine he couldn't believe it. Bet he believes it now...

I notice that you are silent about the Dems, Libs, Progs and their media canonizing and glorifying Floyd, all for political purposes.
Is your silence tacit approval of the use of such political tactics? I'm leaning that it is. Who's politicizing death once again?

 

[notquiteright]

I've never taken the position that it wasn't. Again, not a position which I've taken. My position is that there are people who shouldn't be cops, and they need to be removed from the police force. I notice that you are silent about the Dems, Libs, Progs and their media canonizing and glorifying Floyd, all for political purposes.
Is your silence tacit approval of the use of such political tactics? I'm leaning that it is. Who's politicizing death once again?

Cry a bit harder, I'm afraid Uncle Sugar hardened my heart a few decades ago when it comes to whining....
Chauvin's conviction, loss of appeal and jailtime have nothing to do with all the whining about the backlash over Floyd's death at the hands of rogue cops. 'Little' Chauvin had 4 others helping him subdue one petty criminal. 'Little Chauvin' had twice had training in how to defuse tense situations but putting your knee on a detainee's neck for over 9 minutes while two others helped hold the detainee down wasn't part of that training....
Your claim Chauvin was using proper procedure failed in the courtroom as his trainer told the jury neck restraint was only to be used up until the detainee was cuffed and subdued. He was the first white cop ever convicted of killing a black man in the state- a bit telling but the Rabid Right dodges that and wails about what they think is 'sainthood' for Floyd. Again, don't let my laughing over the pathetic right-wing blather interfere with more rending of garments...
Fact is Floyd losing his life to 5 cops over a fake 20 did make this case one with grave political ramifications. Who's politicizing death once again??? I guess you lack mirrors in your house....

 

[SavannahMann]

No one claimed that this was part of the criminal code.


Are you implying that federal civil code can simply be chosen to be ignored by states, counties, and municipalities at will?




Claiming that statutes simply don't apply if ignorance is claimed is a foolish position to take in an argument. Especially If that 'ignorance' is willful.

In law, ignorantia juris non excusat (Latin for 'ignorance of the law excuses not'),[1] or ignorantia legis neminem excusat ('ignorance of law excuses no one'),[2] is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely by being unaware of its content.​

​

European-law countries with a tradition of Roman law may also use an expression from Aristotle translated into Latin: nemo censetur ignorare legem ('nobody is thought to be ignorant of the law')[3] or ignorantia iuris nocet ('not knowing the law is harmful').[4]​

Ignorantia juris non excusat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do please tell me that this isn't the foundation of your argumentative position.
If it is, it is a terrible weak one on which to base a position.


Oh do please cite the court precedent here.


The case appears to be different than what you are claiming it is.
Sanctuary status isn't an issue in this case, so 'Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.'




This is nothing more than your guess or / or your wish.


The only court judgements in your cited article are:

1. After inspecting his birth certificate, Leon County Judge LaShawn Riggans said during the hearing that “this is indeed an authentic document,”
2. she did not have jurisdiction beyond finding no probable cause for the charge.

Nothing about the constitution, nothing about previous federal judicial orders to 'not to enforce the State Law'. You are only 1/2 supporting your argument here.


Total fail. Nothing which I have cited in the post you responded to came from Fox News.

By ignorance I clearly said if I don’t ask the question I don’t know the answer.

The policy towards Gays in the military was don’t ask and don’t tell. If you don’t tell me and I don’t ask I don’t know. The policy of Sanctuary Cities and States is that. Just that. If the cops and officials don’t ask, and you don’t tell, they don’t know. They can’t be blamed for not reporting something if they do not know.

 

[eohrnberger]

Cry a bit harder,

I'm not.

I'm afraid Uncle Sugar hardened my heart a few decades ago when it comes to whining....
Chauvin's conviction, loss of appeal and jailtime have nothing to do with all the whining about the backlash over Floyd's death at the hands of rogue cops. 'Little' Chauvin had 4 others helping him subdue one petty criminal. 'Little Chauvin' had twice had training in how to defuse tense situations but putting your knee on a detainee's neck for over 9 minutes while two others helped hold the detainee down

wasn't part of that training....

I believe at the time it was an approved restraint hold.

Your claim Chauvin was using proper procedure failed in the courtroom as his trainer told the jury neck restraint was only to be used up until the detainee was cuffed and subdued.

Except that's not the claim being made, that the claim you want to have been made, but it wasn't.

He was the first white cop ever convicted of killing a black man in the state- a bit telling but the Rabid Right dodges that

This a rather irrelevant factoid, at least specific to this case.

and wails about what they think is 'sainthood' for Floyd. Again, don't let my laughing over the pathetic right-wing blather interfere with more rending of garments...

The left always politicizes deaths if there's a political advantage.

Fact is Floyd losing his life to 5 cops over a fake 20 did make this case one with grave political ramifications.

This a politically motivated inaccurate and incomplete 1/2 truth, there's far more to the case than just this.

Who's politicizing death once again??? I guess you lack mirrors in your house....

See my comment on this above.

 

[eohrnberger]

By ignorance I clearly said if I don’t ask the question I don’t know the answer.

AKA willful ignorance.

The policy towards Gays in the military was don’t ask and don’t tell. If you don’t tell me and I don’t ask I don’t know. The policy of Sanctuary Cities and States is that. Just that. If the cops and officials don’t ask, and you don’t tell, they don’t know. They can’t be blamed for not reporting something if they do not know.

My citation in pervious post on this stands.

Your position is nothing more than justifying what you politically want by any legal excuse possible.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

By ignorance I clearly said if I don’t ask the question I don’t know the answer.

Just a suggestion: there will always be those that will hijack a thread to air their grievances and will go on and on and on and on and on page after page after page, till the original topic is lost in the noise. I tend to ignore those who want to spend hours spouting their nonsense. Less noise that way.

 

[notquiteright]

I'm not. I believe at the time it was an approved restraint hold. Except that's not the claim being made, that the claim you want to have been made, but it wasn't. This a rather irrelevant factoid, at least specific to this case. The left always politicizes deaths if there's a political advantage. This a politically motivated inaccurate and incomplete 1/2 truth, there's far more to the case than just this. See my comment on this above.

You are crying fake tears, poor right-wing whiners, the left is always politicizing deaths... Never mind tRump demonizing everyone who dares say something 'mean' (truthful) and pretending due process doesn't exist and one immigrant killing someone paints them all as evil. Then of course his fluffers try and outdo themselves with more lurid but not always very truthful 'one-ups'. The Orange Convict is a piss poor liar, the MS-13 on the deported man's knuckles was photoshopped into the pic but tRump declares it legit, not unlike his black marker addition to the hurricane path in his first lunacy, ahhh term....
What you believe isn't important (once again). In a court of law Chauvin's training officer explained the limits to the neck restraint (choke hold) and Chauvin wildly exceeded that.
Fact is prior to the trial the Police union tried to paint Floyd as a hardened career criminal. The police report only mentioned in passing the detainee has a medical event while under custody...
The Rabid Right wants to play fast and loose with the facts by trying to push blame off on other factors. Fact is if Chauvin hadn't put his knee on Floyd's neck for over 9 minutes Floyd would be alive. Now if a cop put his knee on my neck for over 9 minutes, I suppose the Rabid Right would point to my age, my weight, the fact I smoked for decades, not a neck cutting off air and blood to my brain for longer than 9 minutes....
If concerned citizens hadn't recorded Floyd's death Chauvin would have gotten away with murder, and that's a fact Jack! Yeah, I just watched 'Stripes'...

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

You are crying fake tears, poor right-wing whiners, the left is always politicizing deaths... Never mind tRump demonizing everyone who dares say something 'mean' (truthful) and pretending due process doesn't exist and one immigrant killing someone paints them all as evil. Then of course his fluffers try and outdo themselves with more lurid but not always very truthful 'one-ups'. The Orange Convict is a piss poor liar, the MS-13 on the deported man's knuckles was photoshopped into the pic but tRump declares it legit, not unlike his black marker addition to the hurricane path in his first lunacy, ahhh term....
What you believe isn't important (once again). In a court of law Chauvin's training officer explained the limits to the neck restraint (choke hold) and Chauvin wildly exceeded that.
Fact is prior to the trial the Police union tried to paint Floyd as a hardened career criminal. The police report only mentioned in passing the detainee has a medical event while under custody...
The Rabid Right wants to play fast and loose with the facts by trying to push blame off on other factors. Fact is if Chauvin hadn't put his knee on Floyd's neck for over 9 minutes Floyd would be alive. Now if a cop put his knee on my neck for over 9 minutes, I suppose the Rabid Right would point to my age, my weight, the fact I smoked for decades, not a neck cutting off air and blood to my brain for longer than 9 minutes....
If concerned citizens hadn't recorded Floyd's death Chauvin would have gotten away with murder, and that's a fact Jack! Yeah, I just watched 'Stripes'...

Righties who weren't in the court room to hear the actual evidence including the coroner's report love to act like they "know it all" when most of the time they are just blindly regurgitating what rightwing media has urged them to regurgitate.

 

[eohrnberger]

You are crying fake tears, poor right-wing whiners, the left is always politicizing deaths... Never mind tRump demonizing everyone who dares say something 'mean' (truthful) and pretending due process doesn't exist and one immigrant killing someone paints them all as evil. Then of course his fluffers try and outdo themselves with more lurid but not always very truthful 'one-ups'. The Orange Convict is a piss poor liar, the MS-13 on the deported man's knuckles was photoshopped into the pic but tRump declares it legit, not unlike his black marker addition to the hurricane path in his first lunacy, ahhh term....

Irrelevant injected TDS rant ignored.

What you believe isn't important (once again). In a court of law Chauvin's training officer explained the limits to the neck restraint (choke hold) and Chauvin wildly exceeded that.

This doesn't speak to whether or not it was an approved restraining method at the time.

Fact is prior to the trial the Police union tried to paint Floyd as a hardened career criminal. The police report only mentioned in passing the detainee has a medical event while under custody...
The Rabid Right wants to play fast and loose with the facts by trying to push blame off on other factors.

The 'fast and lose with the facts' are the canonization and glorification of Floyd.
The left did this because it fit their demanded political push narrative at the time, which is to crate racial strive and division, their 'Defund the police' mantra, among others.

Fact is if Chauvin hadn't put his knee on Floyd's neck for over 9 minutes Floyd would be alive.

This is an unknowable hypothetical.

Now if a cop put his knee on my neck for over 9 minutes, I suppose the Rabid Right would point to my age, my weight, the fact I smoked for decades, not a neck cutting off air and blood to my brain for longer than 9 minutes....

If concerned citizens hadn't recorded Floyd's death Chauvin would have gotten away with murder, and that's a fact Jack! Yeah, I just watched 'Stripes'...

This is also an unknowable hypothetical.

 

[rahl]

That's a questionable assertion as I do believe the restraint technique used was part of the police manual, as well as taking into consideration being medically compromised by a long history of drug use.

No police manual lists kneeling on a subdued suspects neck for 7 minutes while 5 other officers also have complete control of him as an approved restraint technique. And even if it did, that doesn’t have any relevance to the fact it is unlawful homicide if the suspect does as a result.

 

[eohrnberger]

No police manual lists kneeling on a subdued suspects neck for 7 minutes while 5 other officers also have complete control of him as an approved restraint technique.

You appear to be confused as to the difference between an approved restraining hold and the duration of its application.

An approved hold was applied, its duration of application was clearly not justified.

And even if it did, that doesn’t have any relevance to the fact it is unlawful homicide if the suspect does as a result.

 

[rahl]

You appear to be confused as to the difference between an approved restraining hold and the duration of its application.

Nope. Not confused at all. I was correcting you.

An approved hold was applied, its duration of application was clearly not justified.

Meaning it’s not approved. Which is why he’s in prison and not getting out.

 

[eohrnberger]

Nope. Not confused at all. I was correcting you.

You haven't 'corrected' squat.

Meaning it’s not approved. Which is why he’s in prison and not getting out.

It seems you confusion remains in place. Oh well.

 

[rahl]

You haven't 'corrected' squat.

Corrected your statement.

It seems you confusion remains in place. Oh well.

I’m sorry that you think kneeling on a handcuffed and subdued suspects neck for 7 minutes is part of a single police manual in the country, because it isn’t. And as I pointed out, even if it was, police manuals don’t override murder statutes lol.

 

[Jagged]

That piece aside, can Trump pardon Derek Chavin?

He can pardon him for federal charges, but not state charges.

 

[Jagged]

You appear to be confused as to the difference between an approved restraining hold and the duration of its application.

An approved hold was applied, its duration of application was clearly not justified.

That is false. Chauvin did not perform a department approved MRT. Chauvin's own training manual showed the knee goes on the shoulder. Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck. The office is supposed to kneel & lean back. Chauvin stood upright on his knee, his foot sometimes lifting off the ground, applying most of his body weight on Floyd's neck. The officer is supposed to regularly check the suspects pulse. Chauvin didn't do that. If the suspect appears in distress, the officer is supposed to move the suspect out of the prone position and onto their side. Chauvin didn't do that either. In court, a superior officer testified under oath that Chauvin did not properly follow his training.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

That is false. Chauvin did not perform a department approved MRT. Chauvin's own training manual showed the knee goes on the shoulder. Chauvin had his knee on Floyd's neck. The office is supposed to kneel & lean back. Chauvin stood upright on his knee, his foot sometimes lifting off the ground, applying most of his body weight on Floyd's neck. The officer is supposed to regularly check the suspects pulse. Chauvin didn't do that. If the suspect appears in distress, the officer is supposed to move the suspect out of the prone position and onto their side. Chauvin didn't do that either. In court, a superior officer testified under oath that Chauvin did not properly follow his training.

It doesn't matter the details. It doesn't matter the evidence the jury heard. It doesn't matter that there are those out there that are NOT doctors or coroners but still pass themselves off as experts.

A big scary black man was killed by a white cop, and the cop CAN NOT be guilty (unless he shoots Ashli Babbitt) and the black man must have died due to drugs or other complications. It just HAS TO BE that way.