‘He’s not getting out’: Calls for Trump to pardon Derek Chauvin slammed by state AG who says former cop ‘still owes Minnesota 22 1/2 years’

[Nickyjo]

Floyd was under the influence and was medically compromised due to his prior drug use, both of which were factors in his death.
To ignore these factors would simply not be credible.


Floyd's criminal history established him as a 'thug', not the racism based remark you just made.

So the several “I can’t breathe” statements from Floyd are irrelevant. Did any of Floyd’s crimes carry the death penalty as punishment?

 

[Crakhobarbie]

So it is a repeat of the 'Do what the left wants, or there'll be riots' extortion then. Glad we cleared that up.

Whos "we"?
You and I?
You may want to avoid spewing your moronic assumptions.

My contention is, when you allow far right ideology to release convicted murderers out on the streets, you may be biting off more than you can chew just to "own the libs".

No, not really. Just having the temerity to hold differing opinions and positions than you.

Temerity born of overconfidence and excessive pride, supported by far right ideology.
So sexy....

I direct you to consult this thread about that.

How typical.
Paragraph after paragraph of whataboutisms.
A far right staple.

 

[Questerr]

That the restraint hold 'cut off blood/air flow' is unsubstantiated and left winger puff.

Have a 200 pound cop kneel on your neck for 8 minutes and then report back to us.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

That the restraint hold 'cut off blood/air flow' is unsubstantiated and left winger puff.

The jury substantiated it.

 

[multivita-man]

I didn't think a President could pardon anyone convicted in state courts? Has to be at a Federal level?

He could be pardoned at the federal level of federal charges. He was convicted in both state and federal court, so yeah, the the state conviction and sentence would remain in place, as Ellison suggested they would.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Floyd was under the influence and was medically compromised due to his prior drug use, both of which were factors in his death.
To ignore these factors would simply not be credible.


Floyd's criminal history established him as a 'thug', not the racism based remark you just made.

If someone jumps from a 100 floor building and you shoot them in the head on the way down, are you guilty of nothing?

 

[eohrnberger]

So the several “I can’t breathe” statements from Floyd are irrelevant.

From what I've heard Floyd was saying this from the very onset, before any officer had even touched him. I'm leaning more to it being drug induced cardiac compromise.

Did any of Floyd’s crimes carry the death penalty as punishment?

What is this diversion? You clearly don't seem to understand the difference between restraining someone and 'punishment' for crimes, which is outside a police officer's role.

 

[eohrnberger]

Whos "we"?
You and I?

You may want to avoid spewing your moronic assumptions.

You need to look into the mirror and repeat that.

My contention is, when you allow far right ideology to release convicted murderers out on the streets,

Yet, this is what the far left ideology actually has done, and continues to do. Not the far right wing.

you may be biting off more than you can chew just to "own the libs".

Seems you are myopic about this supposed 'own the libs' thing.

Temerity born of overconfidence and excessive pride, supported by far right ideology.
So sexy....

Well, you've been wrong on just about everything, so . . . .

How typical.
Paragraph after paragraph of whataboutisms.
A far right staple.

“No matter how much you hate the media, it’s not enough.”​

When the question was posed in a new Rasmussen Reports survey, 44% of likely voters said they agreed with the statement while just 29% disagreed.​

​

Legacy media is generally seen by all groups as biased toward Democrats.​

​

“Younger voters, older people, Hispanics, Republicans, independents, and even Democrats cited pro-Democrat bias in agreeing that they just can’t hate the media enough,” Washington Examiner columnist Paul Bedard wrote on May 12.​

​

There is little disagreement that Democrats are the beneficiaries of major media bias.​

​

Even Democrats agreed. Asked if media organizations favor Democrats over Republicans, 43% of Democrats agreed while 24% disagreed.​

​

And on the issue of hating the media, more Democrats than not agreed with Republicans. Democrats, by a 40%-35% margin, believe they can’t hate the media enough. For Republicans, it was 57% to 21%.​

​

The Rasmussen Reports found that 49% believe the bias is getting worse. A mere 11% see the bias against Republicans letting up.​

​

“Bias in the media has been around forever, and political bias has exploded since President Donald Trump hit the presidential stage,” Bedard noted.​

​

Gallup began tracking media bias in the early 1970s.​

Poll: Hatred for biased media continues to rise

by WorldTribune Staff, May 13, 2025 Real World News “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s not enough.” The subject of memes and t-shirts is now a polling question. When the question was pose…

www.worldtribune.com

The lamestream media has burned down an entire industry and is now peeing on the ashes.

Yeah, if I were you I won't want to get closer than a 10' pole from those lamestream media induced hoaxes either.

 

[eohrnberger]

If someone jumps from a 100 floor building and you shoot them in the head on the way down, are you guilty of nothing?

This analogy strained so badly as applied to that situation as to make it an irrelevant non sequitur.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

This analogy strained so badly as applied to that situation as to make it an irrelevant non sequitur.

Your argument is he would have died anyway. My analogy perfectly applies to that.

 

[eohrnberger]

Your argument is he would have died anyway. My analogy perfectly applies to that.

This is where you and I disagree.

I don't believe that the restraining hold, as applied, compromised the airway, and wouldn't have, all on its own, lead to Floyd's death, at least not without the compromised medical condition from the drug use, and potential overdose that day.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

This is where you and I disagree.

I don't believe that the restraining hold, as applied, compromised the airway, and wouldn't have, all on its own, lead to Floyd's death, at least not without the compromised medical condition from the drug use, and potential overdose that day.

Well, 2 medical examiners and a jury disagrees. Whether George Floyd was a criminal, "thug", addict, or all around piece of shit is irrelevant. Police deal with addicts and people with medical conditions all the time. They can't apply unnecessary force that probably wouldn't kill a healthy man, but might kill an addict or someone with a heart condition.

 

[eohrnberger]

Well, 2 medical examiners and a jury disagrees.

Oh well.

Whether George Floyd was a criminal, "thug", addict, or all around piece of shit is irrelevant.

Agreed.

Police deal with addicts and people with medical conditions all the time.

Also agreed, and sometimes it goes wrong in spite of the experience dealing 'with addicts and people with medical conditions all the time.'

They can't apply unnecessary force that probably wouldn't kill a healthy man, but might kill an addict or someone with a heart condition.

I don't subscribe to the idea that addicts need to be treated with kit gloves, that they should be treated better than everyone else.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

You need to look into the mirror and repeat that.


Yet, this is what the far left ideology actually has done, and continues to do. Not the far right wing.


Seems you are myopic about this supposed 'own the libs' thing.


Well, you've been wrong on just about everything, so . . . .

“No matter how much you hate the media, it’s not enough.”​

When the question was posed in a new Rasmussen Reports survey, 44% of likely voters said they agreed with the statement while just 29% disagreed.​

​

Legacy media is generally seen by all groups as biased toward Democrats.​

​

“Younger voters, older people, Hispanics, Republicans, independents, and even Democrats cited pro-Democrat bias in agreeing that they just can’t hate the media enough,” Washington Examiner columnist Paul Bedard wrote on May 12.​

​

There is little disagreement that Democrats are the beneficiaries of major media bias.​

​

Even Democrats agreed. Asked if media organizations favor Democrats over Republicans, 43% of Democrats agreed while 24% disagreed.​

​

And on the issue of hating the media, more Democrats than not agreed with Republicans. Democrats, by a 40%-35% margin, believe they can’t hate the media enough. For Republicans, it was 57% to 21%.​

​

The Rasmussen Reports found that 49% believe the bias is getting worse. A mere 11% see the bias against Republicans letting up.​

​

“Bias in the media has been around forever, and political bias has exploded since President Donald Trump hit the presidential stage,” Bedard noted.​

​

Gallup began tracking media bias in the early 1970s.​

Poll: Hatred for biased media continues to rise

by WorldTribune Staff, May 13, 2025 Real World News “No matter how much you hate the media, it’s not enough.” The subject of memes and t-shirts is now a polling question. When the question was pose…

www.worldtribune.com

The lamestream media has burned down an entire industry and is now peeing on the ashes.

Yeah, if I were you I won't want to get closer than a 10' pole from those lamestream media induced hoaxes either.

Gish gallop and far right grievances go together so wonderfully, as they both require a disconnect from reality in order to participate.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

I don't subscribe to the idea that addicts need to be treated with kit gloves, that they should be treated better than everyone else.

Floyd's hands were cuffed behind his back, yet Chauvin still felt compelled to keep his knee on the guys neck even as Floyd gasped for air and bystanders chimed in that he couldn't breath.

Oh well.

That was Chauvins attitude.
Look where it got him.

 

[eohrnberger]

Floyd's hands were cuffed behind his back, yet Chauvin still felt compelled to keep his knee on the guys neck even as Floyd gasped for air and bystanders chimed in that he couldn't breath.


That was Chauvins attitude.
Look where it got him.

Yup. There are people who shouldn't be cops, and Chauvin is one of them.

You appear to mistake the positions and opinions which I've expressed as some sort of defense of Chauvin.
It isn't. Its more to tamp down the typical leftist gross exaggeration and hyperbolic inflation of the events in order to turn it into more than what it was for their political ends.

The gross exaggeration and hyperbolic inflation of an unfortunate death for political ends, the politicization of Floyd's death, is not a good look for the leftists, yet they do it so often.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Oh well.


Agreed.


Also agreed, and sometimes it goes wrong in spite of the experience dealing 'with addicts and people with medical conditions all the time.'


I don't subscribe to the idea that addicts need to be treated with kit gloves, that they should be treated better than everyone else.

No one is arguing that an addict should get special privileges. You can't argue in court that your actions would not have killed someone had they been in absolute perfect health. While that can at times mitigate civil damages, it is irrelevant in a criminal court.

 

[eohrnberger]

No one is arguing that an addict should get special privileges.

But I think you just did in your prior post.

You can't argue in court that your actions would not have killed someone had they been in absolute perfect health.

Nor was I, but doesn't even criminal court also need to take into account 'extenuating circumstances'?

While that can at times mitigate civil damages, it is irrelevant in a criminal court.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

But I think you just did in your prior post.


Nor was I, but doesn't even criminal court also need to take into account 'extenuating circumstances'?

Saying you have to account for the fact that some people have medical conditions or mental conditions when you restrain someone is not “giving addicts special privileges”.

 

[Nickyjo]

From what I've heard Floyd was saying this from the very onset, before any officer had even touched him. I'm leaning more to it being drug induced cardiac compromise.


What is this diversion? You clearly don't seem to understand the difference between restraining someone and 'punishment' for crimes, which is outside a police officer's role.

I see, the cop knew his knee on Floyd’s neck wasn’t the problem with his breathing. But still didn’t remove his knee from the handcuffed man’s neck despite the arrival of paramedics and their suggestions. Why didn’t the jury know that?

And the cop had his foot on his neck, and 2-3 of colleagues near by. Handcuffs and oweren’t enough? Search under a NYTimes piece, “How George Floyd Died, and What Happened Next,” July 29, 2022. Watch the videos and then try to explain why the officers did nothing wrong.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I didn't think a President could pardon anyone convicted in state courts? Has to be at a Federal level?

Donald will threaten all fed funding to MN to ensure compliance.

 

[eohrnberger]

Saying you have to account for the fact that some people have medical conditions or mental conditions when you restrain someone is not “giving addicts special privileges”.

If you require the police to handle people who have medical conditions or mental conditions differently than normal people, aren't you really doing just that?

 

[eohrnberger]

I see, the cop knew his knee on Floyd’s neck wasn’t the problem with his breathing. But still didn’t remove his knee from the handcuffed man’s neck despite the arrival of paramedics and their suggestions. Why didn’t the jury know that?

And the cop had his foot on his neck, and 2-3 of colleagues near by. Handcuffs and oweren’t enough? Search under a NYTimes piece, “How George Floyd Died, and What Happened Next,” July 29, 2022. Watch the videos and then try to

explain why the officers did nothing wrong.

This isn't an assertion which I've made, and isn't one I'm likely TO make.

I'll bet that you also buy into the fiction that there's a police genocide being conducted against minority males.

 

[Nickyjo]

If you require the police to handle people who have medical conditions or mental conditions differently than normal people, aren't you really doing just that?

Perhaps. But the issue in this case wasn’t that. Even if Floyd was perfectly healthy or not high, a cop shouldn’t kneel on a handcuffed person’s neck for 8-9 minutes while he says over and over again that he can’t breathe. Can you imagine a class in the police academy demonstrating this as proper procedure?: “Cadets, be aware that saying ‘I can’t breathe’ is a common ploy used by handcuffed perps when you kneel on their necks. Don’t be fooled, even if there are 2-3 other officers there to assist you.”

But relax. The Felon-in-Chief, the guy who says cops shouldn’t be gentle with suspects, our would-be torturer, may just figure out a way to pardon his fellow felons, much as he did with the patriots that trashed the Capitol.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

If you require the police to handle people who have medical conditions or mental conditions differently than normal people, aren't you really doing just that?

It is the law, in every state it is the law. Police cannot handle everyone as though they were a perfectly healthy 18 year old. They deal with all kinds of people. They can't deal with someone in such a way that they would only be injured if they had no serious medical conditions - that is the whole point of the term "appropriate force". Are you even thinking about what you are arguing here? For example, I am a very fit, athletic guy. Should the police handle my daughter with cerebral palsy with the same amount of force they might use on me? Should they deal with an 90 year old man with the same amount of force? No, of course not. That is why if someone is telling them they can't breath, they must act appropriately.

It seems both the cultural left and the cultural right thinks that everyone in law enforcement is Derek Chauvin. They aren't, most of them care about other people, that is why they do what they do for a living. With most police officers, George Floyd would have been safely taken into custody and not died in the process.