‘End War in Ukraine’ Say 66 Nations at UN General Assembly | Scheerpost

[phoenyx]

At the beginning of this month, I created a thread here with the name of an article by Medea Benjamin and Nicolas Davies which is below:

We Urgently Need to Give Ukraine Peace Talks a Chance | Scheerpost

I took a look at anatta's recent thread (this one: https://debatepolitics.com/threads/americans-are-paying-the-bill-for-our-government%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98unwavering-support%E2%80%99-of-ukraine.490650/ ) and thought it was good. I think it's missing something though, namely that there is one...

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The thread has done well and was still active today. I think that trying to find peace in Ukraine has become more urgent than ever. The following article is also by Medea and Nicolas. In the time between the thread above and this thread, things have changed to some extent. More and more nations are beginning to realize that the lack of serious peace negotiations is not just affecting Ukraine and Russia, but many more nations as well. This is their story...

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September 30, 2022

"It's time to stop this mass destruction," said Congolese Foreign Minister Jean-Claude Gakosso this week. "It's time to stop this war."

By Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J.S. Davies / Common Dreams

We have spent the past week reading and listening to speeches by world leaders at the UN General Assembly in New York. Most of them condemned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as a violation of the UN Charter and a serious setback for the peaceful world order that is the UN’s founding and defining principle.

But what has not been reported in the United States is that leaders from 66 countries, mainly from the Global South, also used their General Assembly speeches to call urgently for diplomacy to end the war in Ukraine through peaceful negotiations, as the UN Charter requires. We have compiled excerpts from the speeches of all 66 countries to show the breadth and depth of their appeals, and we highlight a few of them here.

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The 66 nations that called for peace in Ukraine make up more than a third of the countries in the world, and they represent most of the Earth’s population, including India, China, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Brazil and Mexico.
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Full article:

‘End War in Ukraine’ Say 66 Nations at UN General Assembly

Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J.S. Davies breakdown some of the statements from world leaders at the UN General Assembly who called for diplomacy and peace in Ukraine.

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[Jredbaron96]

This war can end as soon as Russia withdraws its troops from Ukrainian soil.

 

[Antiwar]

This war can end as soon as Russia withdraws its troops from Ukrainian soil.

Thank you for your input, general.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Thank you for your input, general.

I'm not a general, but thank you for the promotion.

 

[Antiwar]

I'm not a general, but thank you for the promotion.

But you like to play one on the internet.

 

[Jredbaron96]

But you like to play one on the internet.

Pointing out this war would end if Russia withdrew it's troops is not a sentiment you need to be a general to point out.

 

[phoenyx]

This war can end as soon as Russia withdraws its troops from Ukrainian soil.

The war in Ukraine started 8 years ago. During that time, Russia put a lot of effort into ending the war, culminating in the Minsk agreements:

Minsk agreements - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The problem was that Ukraine ultimately wasn't interested in fulfilling them. Shortly before Russia started its military operation in Ukraine, Donbass Insider wrote an article on how the Minsk agreements had essentially died in all but name and the only reason they hadn't been scrapped was Zelensky's fear that if they were, the west might lift sanctions in the Donbass republic leaders and Russia:

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February 2, 2022

In an interview with Associated Press, the Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, Alexey Danilov, openly said that Ukraine will not implement the Minsk agreements, as this would lead to the complete destruction of the country.

In contrast to the usual rhetoric of the Kiev authorities in the Western media about the need to implement the Minsk agreements, the interview with Alexey Danilov published on the Associated Press website publicly reveals what many analysts, including myself, have been saying for years, namely that Ukraine will never implement these agreements!

Confirming what Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in spring 2021, Alexey Danilov says that the Minsk agreements signed in 2015 must be rewritten because “the fulfilment of the Minsk agreement means the country’s [Ukraine – translator’s note] destruction".
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Source:

https://www.donbass-insider.com/2022/02/02/kiev-authorities-openly-say-that-ukraine-will-not-implement-the-minsk-agreements/

Furthermore, it was Ukraine's military that had started a new assault on the Donbass region immediately prior to Russia's military operation. Former military analyst Jacques Baud explains:

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On February 17, President Joe Biden announces that Russia will attack Ukraine in the coming days. How does he know? Mystery… But since the 16th, the artillery shelling of the populations of Donbass has increased dramatically, as shown by the daily reports of OSCE observers. Naturally, neither the media, nor the European Union, nor NATO, nor any Western government reacts and intervenes. We will say later that this is Russian disinformation. In fact, it seems that the European Union and some countries purposely glossed over the massacre of the people of Donbass, knowing that it would provoke Russian intervention.
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Source:

Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative

Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.

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Putin is clearly between a rock and a hard place at this point. Jacques Baud continues:

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In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knows that the Ukrainians began to shell the civilian populations of Donbass, putting Vladimir Putin in front of a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem or to sit idle and watch Russian speakers. from the Donbass being run over.

If he decides to intervene, Vladimir Putin can invoke the international obligation of “ Responsibility To Protect ” (R2P). But he knows that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention will trigger a shower of sanctions. Therefore, whether its intervention is limited to the Donbass or whether it goes further to put pressure on the West for the status of Ukraine, the price to be paid will be the same. This is what he explains in his speech on February 21.
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I believe that after 8 years of trying to resolve the situation in Ukraine diplomatically, Putin had decided that diplomatic efforts were going nowhere. He said as much in the speech he gave on the day he started his military op:

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This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.
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Source:

Transcript: Vladimir Putin’s Televised Address on Ukraine

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Citizens of Russia, friends,

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Jredbaron96]

The war in Ukraine started 8 years ago.

The war in Ukraine started when Russia refused to accept that one of its neighbors had no obligations to align with Russian politics.

 

[phoenyx]

The war in Ukraine started when Russia refused to accept that one of its neighbors had no obligations to align with Russian politics.

No, the war in Ukraine started 8 years ago, and there is plenty of evidence that it was Ukraine, with U.S. aid, that started it, not Russia:

The United States and Ukraine Started the War—Not Russia - CovertAction Magazine

For eight years, Ukraine terrorized the people of Eastern Ukraine with U.S. weapons but this was never reported on. Here is a timeline of events: October 2002 – “Full Spectrum Dominance” declared by the Pentagon to rule the world.January 2014 – U.S. military trainers arrive in Ukraine...

covertactionmagazine.com

 

[Jredbaron96]

No, the war in Ukraine started 8 years ago, and there is plenty of evidence that it was Ukraine, with U.S. aid, that started it, not Russia:

No there isn't. The Ukrainian people are free to decide the course of their own sovereign nation. Moscow refused to accept that, and thereafter it committed to arming and supporting separatist movements in eastern Ukraine.

 

[Cordelier]

No, the war in Ukraine started 8 years ago, and there is plenty of evidence that it was Ukraine, with U.S. aid, that started it, not Russia:

The United States and Ukraine Started the War—Not Russia - CovertAction Magazine

For eight years, Ukraine terrorized the people of Eastern Ukraine with U.S. weapons but this was never reported on. Here is a timeline of events: October 2002 – “Full Spectrum Dominance” declared by the Pentagon to rule the world.January 2014 – U.S. military trainers arrive in Ukraine...

covertactionmagazine.com

Weird that they didn't start it on Russian soil, don't you think?

 

[phoenyx]

No, the war in Ukraine started 8 years ago, and there is plenty of evidence that it was Ukraine, with U.S. aid, that started it, not Russia:

The United States and Ukraine Started the War—Not Russia - CovertAction Magazine

For eight years, Ukraine terrorized the people of Eastern Ukraine with U.S. weapons but this was never reported on. Here is a timeline of events: October 2002 – “Full Spectrum Dominance” declared by the Pentagon to rule the world.January 2014 – U.S. military trainers arrive in Ukraine...

covertactionmagazine.com

No there isn't.

Did you read the article I linked to?

The Ukrainian people are free to decide the course of their own sovereign nation.

You act as if the Ukrainian people are united. That hasn't been the case for at least 8 years, since the civil war there began. Since it started, around 14,000 Ukrainians have died, of which around 10,000 of those have been Eastern Ukrainians, according to the United Nations:

Casualties of the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I saw a documentary on this war done by a german team of journalists. Well worth a look in my view:

The Ukrainian people are free to decide the course of their own sovereign nation. Moscow refused to accept that, and thereafter it committed to arming and supporting separatist movements in eastern Ukraine.

Former military analyst Jacques Baud provides evidence that this simply isn't true. From an article he wrote:

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In 2014, I am at NATO, responsible for the fight against the proliferation of small arms, and we are trying to detect Russian arms deliveries to the rebels in order to see if Moscow is involved. The information that we receive then comes practically all from the Polish intelligence services and does not “match” with the information from the OSCE: in spite of rather crude allegations, we do not observe any delivery of arms and materials Russian military.

The rebels are armed thanks to the defections of Russian-speaking Ukrainian units which cross over to the rebel side. As the Ukrainian failures progressed, the entire tank, artillery or anti-aircraft battalions swelled the ranks of the autonomists. This is what drives the Ukrainians to commit to the Minsk Accords.

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...let us remember, there were never any Russian troops in the Donbass before February 23-24, 2022. Moreover, OSCE observers have never observed the slightest trace of Russian units operating in the Donbass. Thus, the US intelligence map published by the Washington Post on December 3, 2021 does not show Russian troops in Donbass.
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Source:

Former NATO Military Analyst Blows the Whistle on West’s Ukraine Invasion Narrative

Jacques Baud, a NATO expert, denounces western coverage of the Ukraine invasion.

scheerpost.com

 

[Quag]

The war in Ukraine started 8 years ago.

True when, Russia invaded the Crimea

During that time, Russia put a lot of effort into ending the war, culminating in the Minsk agreements:

False

 

[phoenyx]

Weird that they didn't start it on Russian soil, don't you think?

Only if you're dead set on seeing this war as having started in Russia. The war started in Ukraine, not Russia. It started with what amounted to a coup of the Yanukovych administration in Ukraine in 2014. Yanukovych was the elected Ukrainian President at the time. There is plenty of evidence that the violent protests that led to Yanukovych fleeing for his life were orchestrated with the help of the U.S., in coordination with various nationalist groups in Ukraine. Some articles supporting this contention:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

Ukraine: The Mess that Victoria Nuland Made

Beyond the Smoke & Mirrors

geopolitics.co

 

[Quag]

Only if you're dead set on seeing this war as having started in Russia. The war started in Ukraine, not Russia.

Yes it started in Ukraine when Russia invaded Crimea

 

[Cordelier]

Only if you're dead set on seeing this war as having started in Russia. The war started in Ukraine, not Russia. It started with what amounted to a coup of the Yanukovych administration in Ukraine in 2014. Yanukovych was the elected Ukrainian President at the time. There is plenty of evidence that the violent protests that led to Yanukovych fleeing for his life were orchestrated with the help of the U.S., in coordination with various nationalist groups in Ukraine. Some articles supporting this contention:

Timeline: Euromaidan, the original “Ukraine Crisis”

As Russia actually do launch an invasion or “special operation” in Ukraine, we thought now was a good time to recap on how we got here. The historical, political and ethnic divisions in…

off-guardian.org

Ukraine: The Mess that Victoria Nuland Made

Beyond the Smoke & Mirrors

geopolitics.co

Was he impeached or not?

 

[Jredbaron96]

Did you read the article I linked to?

You mean the propaganda garbage?

You act as if the Ukrainian people are united.

Questions are self-determination are answered by ballots, not bullets.

 

[Antiwar]

You mean the propaganda garbage?

Which one(s) are you referring to? He's linked several articles.

 

[Fledermaus]

The war in Ukraine started 8 years ago.

Time to first lie: First sentence.

RUSSIA started this 8 years ago with the illegal annexation of Crimea and the proxy war they started in Donbass.

 

[Fledermaus]

Only if you're dead set on seeing this war as having started in Russia. T

Started by Russia on Ukrainian soil.

 

[Hamish Howl]

So Russia's client states want us to stop giving the Ukrainians weapons and supplies?

Tough shit.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Only if you're dead set on seeing this war as having started in Russia.

That's exactly where it started.

 

[Quag]

That's exactly where it started.

Nope it started in Ukraine but it was started BY Russia

 

[PoS]

Thank you for your input, general.

You want Russia to conquer Ukraine so they can rape, murder and pillage to their heart's content. We get it.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

This war can end as soon as Russia withdraws its troops from Ukrainian soil.

The war would end today if the United States would stop funding the Ukrainian government.