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I'm not saying it doesn't have a choice. In another topic I made a few suggestions where cutbacks could be made, and I'm sure our masters with the budget books in front of them have all the real answers too.
But past experience shows that you can't really trust them to make cuts in the right places. Indeed, news stories of doctors and nurses given the boot as admin costs soar have become a cliche amongst satirists. Jasper Carrott, Yes Minister, it's all been done.
Most of those immigrants pay taxes which pay for the NHS..
Are you saying that just because you are not a British national that you are not allowed to go to the hospital for which you have paid for in taxes? And how far back should we go? 1st generation, 2nd generation even if they are British citizens? How about Brits born in another country... they are after all not real Brits are they now!
Actually, many immigrants here in Britain who are here illegally are being kept by the government, housed with your tax money, allowed to enter the country, are given benefits AND access to the NHS....this causes many billions of lost revenue a year, and is mounting huge pressure on social NHS services and the workforce in particular.
Obviously, only an idiot would oppose NHS for immigrants who pay taxes.
Actually, many immigrants here in Britain who are here illegally are being kept by the government, housed with your tax money, allowed to enter the country, are given benefits AND access to the NHS....this causes many billions of lost revenue a year, and is mounting huge pressure on social NHS services and the workforce in particular.
Obviously, only an idiot would oppose NHS for immigrants who pay taxes.
As for illegals.. What do you do with them?
...And out comes the bile, just for ringing the alarm bell. The effect of large scale immigration is just one of the large calls on the public purse.
We could teasingly follow Andalablue's advice and adopt his prized communist policy of what Stalin called 'population transfer'. (Indeed, the illegals began the chain by transferring themselves over here in the first place! And through many a safe country too. That's some danger they're in!)
We bring the British citizens of the Falkland Islands to live in the mainland UK and put the illegals down there instead. That gives them a readymade community to live in, gets them out of our hair and would also make the islands the perfect gift to the Argentinians once a few more mini Sangattes fill the place!
It would satisfy the social-conditioning Left by not just evacuating the hated British from anywhere they live in the world, but also living up the Joint Tenancy Agreement set out by Labour to ensure top-notch housing with all mod cons for new arrivals!
Might even satisfy a few on the Right; uprooting a settled, peaceful and untroublesome British community notwithstanding.
Good idea? No? Well, it is Left Wing policy after all!
Then freaking call them illegal immigrants lol, and not just "immigrants". All I see and saw was yet another xenophobic comment from someone on the right.. and I still suspect that it was.
As for illegals.. what to do with them. First off you cant just send them back to their country of origin, because most countries refuse to accept them back or are at war.. that is if you can figure out where they come from. You cant just kick them into no mands land and let them die.. What do you do with them?
And if they get sick.. do you refuse to treat them and let curable disease run rampant in the camps, spread to the guards and then spread to the general population?
Point is, blaming immigrants, illegal or not, for the ills of the UK economy and the UK in general, is nothing by scapegoating bull**** by xenophobic and often racist morons who dont have the intelligence to understand basic things.
No, my bad, your suspicion has been badly placed. I meant illegal immigrants, and im no rightist idiot. Im Turkish for christ sakes my grandma is an immigrant. But my grandparents didnt just stay at home waiting for there monthly tax payer stipend.
My grand dad opened a restraunt in Soho which earnt him bundles of wealth and my Grandma stayed at home, looked after her kids and sent them to school while my Grandpa was away working.
Educate them, put them in a civil service job, or secure them a job in the construction industry, not just keep them hauled up in council flats making babies.
Well because the government has made absolutely no effort to:
A) Secure there return where possible (if that country is not at war, if that country can gaurentee there safety on return)
B) Educate them in state run polytechnic Universities to learn english and a trade of there choice, so that they can earn a living, pay taxes. Give them a 5 year period. If they fail to graduate and find a job (with the help of the government), then we need to consider other routes.
In many areas they are correct, actually, like natives working for less and taking many jobs (like the Poles). But this is actually because the English labour force are by nature lazy drunken bastards. Other than that, yes, you will likely find those comments coming out of an NF skinheads mouth.
Metalgear? on the right? lol, wow, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you are too far left?Then freaking call them illegal immigrants lol, and not just "immigrants". All I see and saw was yet another xenophobic comment from someone on the right.. and I still suspect that it was.
But this is actually because the English labour force are by nature lazy drunken bastards.
Metalgear? on the right? lol, wow, have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you are too far left?
Wait a minute here. Are we talking about illegals, asylum seekers or immigrants?
Because illegal immigrants in most countries are kicked home as fast as possible. Educating and making them learn English (or what ever language) does nothing but encourage them and others if you ask me. Unless said immigrants come from war torn countries or political oppressive countries, then these people should not get any incentive what so ever to stay.
We should do everything to give incentives for them to go back home voluntarily and I believe that the UK government is doing that last I looked.
Asylum seekers are whole other issue. The true asylum seekers due to political problems in the home land, do more than often integrate quite well into society. The fake asylum seekers are more than often denied asylum and returned home when possible. Those that cant be returned home in the short or medium turn, yes they should be allowed to work and learn in society. Some countries do that, others do not. I dont know about the UK, but in Denmark they are allowed to do that.. well some are.
Real immigrants depending on how long they have been here, have the same rights as citizens for many social aspects and that is only fair since they have paid into the system via taxes. It is no different than Brits in Spain gaining access to Spanish healthcare, including free medicine because they pay their taxes here (dunno if they do but it is the principle).
You cant lump everything into one basket on this issue.
That is easier said than done. It requires that the birth country accepts them back and often that requires certain incentives by the British to do that.. Question is how much incentive is worth sending back a few thousand illegals.
And the major problem is often... where are these people from? they often destroy any documentation of their origins, and then what? But the Uk does have agreements with countries to send people back, but there is a large portion that cant go home due to various reasons.
Again are what are we talking about? Do you really want to educate illegal immigrants and give them incentive to not only stay but to spread the word.. come to the UK and get a free education!
Sorry but you are doing it also. The lumping in the same basket of illegals, asylum and real immigrants as far as I can see. Noting is black and white on this issue, and more than often the xenophobic morons and racists attempt to make it a black and white issue.
More slander. Many people are lazy, but kept that way by good benefits and no corrective against the will of the vast majority of the working and proud British public.
BBC News - Are jobless Brits scared by hard work?
But I wouldn't be surprised if there would be a growing number of frustrated British workers (or ex-workers), annoyed at being told once too often how they've failed to save Britain and so must have the unfair competition of hordes of cheap immigrants to spite them. And having a larger proportion of degrading sweatshop tasks awaiting skileld tradespersons can't do much good either. (Margarret Hodge told ex-car plant workers to go and stack shelves at Tesco after refusing to step in and save their plant, though her government was quick to save the greedy banks though.)
We are talking about illegals here.
I agree with you and i said this already, did i not? Look at my post and look at option A) where i stated the government should do everything to secure there return if they are not to be returned to a war torn country or a place where the person may face torture by authorities.
Do you propose we send back the ones that may face torture? Are you a supporter of Berlusconis policies, by any chance?
We should do our best to integrate and educate those who cannot leave because the return is greater for us and beneficial for our economy. As the status quo will have it, nothing is being done to send them back where it is POSSIBLE to do so, and where it is not possible, nothing is being done to help these people get a job and a financial secure lifestyle.
Pete you havent read anything i have said.
What did i say regarding those immigrants who are here legally and who are paying taxes?
What the British is doing NOW is providing incentives for illegals. We giving them access to our social services, to our council estates and to tax payer benefits when they do not even have the level of English to get a job and earn a living in the country. Now thats providing incentives for illegals, not helping them integrate, get a job, contribute to the economy and stoping them from being a drain to our economy.
Those who are able to return because of the political state/level of stability of the native country must be sent back immediately with no further delays.
Im talking about the ones we cant send back, Pete. Read what i write, please, its terribly offensive argueing with your pointless statements which i have actually supported in previous posts.
Are you denying Polish immigrants work longer for less? Yes or no, answer me that so i can be sure as to how ignorant you are to the facts and the realities of modern British life.
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