White House colludes with Facebook 1st Amendment violations

[jnug]

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WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden on Friday criticized social media platforms like Facebook for spreading misinformation about the coronavirus and vaccines, as his administration has blamed them for stalling U.S. vaccine rates.​

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"They’re killing people," Biden said when asked what his message was to social media platforms like Facebook on the spread of false and misleading claims about the virus and the safety of vaccines that prevent it.​

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"The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated, and that’s — they’re killing people," he continued.​

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'They’re killing people': Biden blames Facebook, other social media for allowing Covid misinformation

The White House has warned in recent days that false claims shared on those platforms are contributing to a decline in U.S. vaccination rates.

www.nbcnews.com

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Facebook Inc. said it has removed more than 18 million posts on its main social networking site and the photo sharing app Instagram for violating its Covid-19 misinformation policy since the beginning of the pandemic.​

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

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18 millions posts censored and accounts have deemed by judge, jury and executioner Facebook of spreading this to called 'misinformation' has been reported.

Not enough censorship for this White House? Should be noted that the well evidence and substantiated 'Lab Leak theory' of the Wuhan virus was also censored by much the same players.

So what's really driving this?

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Facebook took issue with the president.​

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"We will not be distracted by accusations which aren’t supported by the facts," a company spokesman said. "The fact is that more than 2 billion people have viewed authoritative information about COVID-19 and vaccines on Facebook, which is more than any other place on the internet. More than 3.3 million Americans have also used our vaccine finder tool to find out where and how to get a vaccine. The facts show that Facebook is helping save lives. Period.”​

'They’re killing people': Biden blames Facebook, other social media for allowing Covid misinformation

The White House has warned in recent days that false claims shared on those platforms are contributing to a decline in U.S. vaccination rates.

www.nbcnews.com

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Ahh. All clear now.

The White House can't possibly accept that there are people who have made their own medical decision based on their own risk analysis and have elected to not get the vaccine, and that the White House's vaccinate goals are in jeopardy. So the White House, rather than accepting the responsibility is looking for a scapegoat, Facebook and other social media companies likely to be those, never mind the mixed messages about masks, vaccine effectiveness, et. al. coming from the administration, they have all rendered an absolutely perfect performance (in their own minds).

It must simply stick sideways in Biden's and his White House's throat, that people could possibly make medical decisions for themselves and by themselves, which the Biden and White House doesn't agree with. You are see the under tones: 'These people must be made to comply with our decisions, after all, government always knows best' rolleyes: - in a pig's eye).

And facebook flagged over 98 million other COVID related posts. According to facebook, it removed 18 million based on the "imminent harm" language in its COVID policies.

I suspect facebook will rest on their "imminent harm" language as justification for removing the posts and I also suspect that will be hard for opponents to attack if they even try.

 

[jnug]

Is your worry that someone makes a medical decision for themselves and by themselves which you don't agree with?
If you are vaccinated, what's your worry?

Or is it that the vaccine is not as effective as you (and most of the present administration) pretend that it is?

Or is it that in your view, medical decisions directly affecting an individual are no longer left up to that induvial? That government should make all of the individual's medical decisions for them?

My position has been clear and consistent: People are the sole decision makers for their medical decisions. Period.
Government may not intrude, intercede, or thwart those decisions. i.e. 'By Body, My Choice'.
Or does this only apply to an individual's medical decisions that you agree with? And if not agreeing with them, the individual's decision should be overwritten by government?

Nobody is going to homes, pulling up peoples sleeves and forcing needles into their arms. Nobody is even trying to do that. The government is doing nothing more than making a spirited advertising effort to get people to get vaccinated. Is the Right suddenly against advertising? Sounds like SOCIALISM run amok to me.

 

[CLAX1911]

By any means nessicarily, even if the government suppresses free speech, it's all good for the "right" reasons.

And that's the thought process everything done by the far left is good because they believe motivation is Noble. The Constitution doesn't matter the human rights don't matter nothing.

 

[eohrnberger]

And facebook flagged over 98 million other COVID related posts. According to facebook, it removed 18 million based on the "imminent harm" language in its COVID policies.

I suspect facebook will rest on their "imminent harm" language as justification for removing the posts and I also suspect that will be hard for opponents to attack if they even try.

The point behind the post, and it's citations, it's how many posts or users Facebook censored.
The point is that the administration is looking for scapegoats to blame not hitting their vaccination rate targets, and their gaze looking for that scapegoat landed on Facebook.

Or did this completely go over your head? Or was I too subtle?

 

[US&THEM]

@US&THEM Re your "Based on legit information absolutely, but there are too many dumb people in this country," I hope you don't mean that because there are too many dumb people, their "betters" should make their decisions for them.

No they are dumb enough without misinformation and we suffer. Add the misinformation and this pandemic will not end and more will die because of their selfish no information self.

 

[US&THEM]

Is your worry that someone makes a medical decision for themselves and by themselves which you don't agree with?
If you are vaccinated, what's your worry?

Or is it that the vaccine is not as effective as you (and most of the present administration) pretend that it is?

Or is it that in your view, medical decisions directly affecting an individual are no longer left up to that induvial? That government should make all of the individual's medical decisions for them?

My position has been clear and consistent: People are the sole decision makers for their medical decisions. Period.
Government may not intrude, intercede, or thwart those decisions. i.e. 'By Body, My Choice'.
Or does this only apply to an individual's medical decisions that you agree with? And if not agreeing with them, the individual's decision should be overwritten by government?

We all have to make medical decisions to be able to attend public school etc. Let’s nit try to be sooo dramatic.

 

[US&THEM]

The point behind the post, and it's citations, it's how many posts or users Facebook censored.
The point is that the administration is looking for scapegoats to blame not hitting their vaccination rate targets, and their gaze looking for that scapegoat landed on Facebook.

Or did this completely go over your head? Or was I too subtle?

Why is there so much misinformation out there about Covid?

 

[jnug]

The point behind the post, and it's citations, it's how many posts or users Facebook censored.
The point is that the administration is looking for scapegoats to blame not hitting their vaccination rate targets, and their gaze looking for that scapegoat landed on Facebook.

Or did this completely go over your head? Or was I too subtle?

I understood your post. I don't agree with the premise of your post. There is NOTHING wrong with what the Biden Administration is doing and there is NOTHING sinister in what facebook is doing.

Facebook is a ruthlessly profit driven organization and while I do have some issues with that and with the generous way that Zuckergoon describes himself and his organization, in this instance there is nothing sinister in what facebook is doing. Its just facebook being facebook.

The government simply wants facebook to stop applying its push algorithms to this Covid anti-vaccine nonsense. Its already easier to create scientific BS than it is to context scientific BS......far easier. All you have to do to create BS is get yourself a wordsmith, an English major. Mate him to a marketing expert if you want and for almost no money at all you have an all day BS machine that can just spin out more scientific garbage in an hour than can be contested in a week. Just keep working that same formula for a month and the BS will be a year at least ahead of any reasonable effort to contest it.

Do you know how easy it was to create the false impression that the COVID vaccine would make it more difficult for women to get pregnant? It took all of one Internet query on "spike proteins" and a few words of scientific sounding nonsense. That one was sweet if you understand marketing. Hit all the right provocative issues. So the BS artists are already way ahead of the game. Applying facebook's algorithms to their nonsense makes for an order of magnitude difference at least and in fact one that facebook can actually see. Heck, THEY ARE FACEBOOK ALGORITHMS.

There is no free speech issue that DEMANDS that facebook continue to apply its algorithms to everything....NOTHING...zero....zippo....nada

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Maybe President Biden needs to talk down to people who do not look like he does and maybe are not as " clean & articulate " as he is ?
But so what even if they are , That could still help change hearts & minds , right ?
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But he didn’t use the racist meme. You did. Can’t answer my question, eh?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Do you have anything other than...nuhuh? Why is it incorrect.

You are misusing colludes. You are claiming a CT.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

.There is no free speech issue that DEMANDS that facebook continue to apply its algorithms to everything....NOTHING...zero....zippo....nada

Except when the government gets involved.

 

[eohrnberger]

We all have to make medical decisions to be able to attend public school etc. Let’s nit try to be sooo dramatic.

Still dodging straight forward questions posed to you.

The COVID vaccines have shown a higher rate of more severe side effects than previous vaccines, and previous vaccines weren't given 'emergency use authorization'.

Further, all the drug companies producing the COVID vaccine have been given immunity from legal actions from vaccine recipients, leaving those that do suffer from these side effects to shoulder the medical expenses on their own.

There are good reasons why someone may decline to take this vaccine, and it is within their right to do so.

 

[jnug]

Except when the government gets involved.

The government isn't involved in facebook policy. You have no evidence of that. The government is free to ask facebook to stop applying its algorithms to this anti-COVID vaccination nonsense and facebook is free to continue. Is DOJ suing facebook over its policy? NOPE and they won't be.

 

[US&THEM]

Still dodging straight forward questions posed to you.

The COVID vaccines have shown a higher rate of more severe side effects than previous vaccines, and previous vaccines weren't given 'emergency use authorization'.

Further, all the drug companies producing the COVID vaccine have been given immunity from legal actions from vaccine recipients, leaving those that do suffer from these side effects to shoulder the medical expenses on their own.

There are good reasons why someone may decline to take this vaccine, and it is within their right to do so.

The vaccines all had immunity before covid. Dramatic much?

 

[eohrnberger]

I understood your post. I don't agree with the premise of your post. There is NOTHING wrong with what the Biden Administration is doing and there is NOTHING sinister in what facebook is doing.

As previously posted, and I know you are aware of it, the argument which classifies Facebook and other social media companies doing the government's censorship demands as state actors. This is one of the foundations of the pending law suit, and we'll just have to see how the court rules on that.

Facebook is a ruthlessly profit driven organization and while I do have some issues with that and with the generous way that Zuckergoon describes himself and his organization, in this instance there is nothing sinister in what facebook is doing. Its just facebook being facebook.

The government simply wants facebook to stop applying its push algorithms to this Covid anti-vaccine nonsense. Its already easier to create scientific BS than it is to context scientific BS......far easier. All you have to do to create BS is get yourself a wordsmith, an English major. Mate him to a marketing expert if you want and for almost no money at all you have an all day BS machine that can just spin out more scientific garbage in an hour than can be contested in a week. Just keep working that same formula for a month and the BS will be a year at least ahead of any reasonable effort to contest it.

Do you know how easy it was to create the false impression that the COVID vaccine would make it more difficult for women to get pregnant? It took all of one Internet query on "spike proteins" and a few words of scientific sounding nonsense. That one was sweet if you understand marketing. Hit all the right provocative issues. So the BS artists are already way ahead of the game. Applying facebook's algorithms to their nonsense makes for an order of magnitude difference at least and in fact one that facebook can actually see. Heck, THEY ARE FACEBOOK ALGORITHMS.

This puts you in the position of disproving each of the claims you call disinformation. Please proceed.

There is no free speech issue that DEMANDS that facebook continue to apply its algorithms to everything....NOTHING...zero....zippo....nada

With the exception if they are playing the role of a state actor. Then they would have to comply with all the constitutional restrictions applicable to government.

This is pending the courts ruling on that point, as I have mentioned.

 

[eohrnberger]

The vaccines all had immunity before covid. Dramatic much?

Try re-reading my post for comprehension.

 

[jnug]

Still dodging straight forward questions posed to you.

The COVID vaccines have shown a higher rate of more severe side effects than previous vaccines, and previous vaccines weren't given 'emergency use authorization'.

Further, all the drug companies producing the COVID vaccine have been given immunity from legal actions from vaccine recipients, leaving those that do suffer from these side effects to shoulder the medical expenses on their own.

There are good reasons why someone may decline to take this vaccine, and it is within their right to do so.

Do you have the specific data to support the bolded above? A link to some data would be sufficient.

As for not being able to sue the vaccine developers, that is the PREP act, invoked by the Donnie administration to protect vaccine developers and manufacturers from liability. If you don't like it, write Donnie a letter and tell him so.

 

[jnug]

As previously posted, and I know you are aware of it, the argument which classifies Facebook and other social media companies doing the government's censorship demands as state actors. This is one of the foundations of the pending law suit, and we'll just have to see how the court rules on that.

This puts you in the position of disproving each of the claims you call disinformation. Please proceed.

With the exception if they are playing the role of a state actor. Then they would have to comply with all the constitutional restrictions applicable to government.

This is pending the courts ruling on that point, as I have mentioned.

I don't have to disprove anything.

Facebook is not a state actor,

The "pending" suit is not even filed in the right place and IMO donnie will drop it before it ever gets to Discovery. He is getting what he wants out of this...PR and more GRIFT.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

.With the exception if they are playing the role of a state actor. Then they would have to comply with all the constitutional restrictions applicable to government.

This is pending the courts ruling on that point, as I have mentioned.

I guess I missed the pending court case, what is it about?

Ok, I see, the Trump court case. While I don't see protections going away entirely, if at all. Case by case basis. But likely protection will remain. However, I do find interest in social media being applied as a state actor portion. But it still might be different from what we are talking about in this thread to Trump's case.

 

[j brown's body]

And that's the thought process everything done by the far left is good because they believe motivation is Noble. The Constitution doesn't matter the human rights don't matter nothing.

You are confused. It is the Republicans who are passing laws to punish social meeting and who talk of passing laws to punish corporations who don't toe the party line.

 

[Craig234]

Press Secretary admits White House working with Facebook on removing claimed misinformation which violates 1st Amendment. First it's racist policies, now government suppressing free speech.

There could hardly be a more similar case to yelling fire in a crowded theater, than spreading misinformation on covid. How did the Supreme Court rule on people lying menacing public health in the earlier case?

 

[US&THEM]

Try re-reading my post for comprehension.

What about the persons who get covid the long lasting effects? More of those. Delta variant won’t let this go away and people should understand that as well. I don’t expect you to. Best of luck.

 

[Craig234]

Imagine:

- Dr. donald quack posts a Facebook message saying drinking bleach prevents covid.
- Many do it and are killed
- CDC issues statement it's a dangerous lie
- White House issues statement repeating it's a dangerous lie
- White House talks to Facebook about the importance of blocking such lies for public safety
- Families of people killed sue quack and win damages
- Prosecutors convict quack of crimes for the lies and he's jailed

Where in the is the first amendment violated? Where is good public policy violated? Where is the Supreme Court's ruling that lies threatening public safety are not protected by the first amendment violated?

 

[Linuxcooldude]

There could hardly be a more similar case to yelling fire in a crowded theater, than spreading misinformation on covid. How did the Supreme Court rule on people lying menacing public health in the earlier case?

Because the government infringing on freedom of speech by flagging posts doesn't justify removing misinformation that arguably isn't always misinformation but opinion. Even the supposed experts keep flip flopping on the facts. And even Facebook not removing post on Fauci initially saying not to wear masks.

Such as Facebook removing posts on the Wuhan lab might inadvertantly released the virus. We are finding credibility to that in which Facebook now seemed to flipped on that.

 

[jnug]

Because the government infringing on freedom of speech by flagging posts doesn't justify removing misinformation that arguably isn't always misinformation but opinion. Even the supposed experts keep flip flopping on the facts. And even Facebook not removing post on Fauci initially saying not to wear masks.

Such as Facebook removing posts on the Wuhan lab might inadvertantly released the virus. We are finding credibility to that in which Facebook now seemed to flipped on that.

The government isn't flagging posts. facebook is not a state actor.