White House colludes with Facebook 1st Amendment violations

[Craig234]

Because the government infringing on freedom of speech by flagging posts doesn't justify removing misinformation that arguably isn't always misinformation but opinion. Even the supposed experts keep flip flopping on the facts. And even Facebook not removing post on Fauci initially saying not to wear masks.

No, they don't, on these facts. Fauci early on saying the public should not take masks out of the hands of medical professionals when there was a shortage doesn't prove anything relevant.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

The government isn't flagging posts. facebook is not a state actor.

According to the Press Secretary they are flagging posts about covid.

 

[jnug]

Donnie will soon figure out what things he really wants to spend his social media law suit grift money on and THAT will be the end of THAT suit....before he has to cut loose Discovery.

"Lets see, how many more golden toilets do I want?"
"Whats my hooker budget these days"

You know...stuff with redeeming qualities like that.

 

[jnug]

According to the Press Secretary they are flagging posts about covid.

Really what site are they being posted? Didn't know the Biden administration had a social media platform. Is it Bidenbook? I willl have to go looking for that. facebook is at the arbiter of what is flagged on their platform. The administration is free to offer "suggestions" to facebook. facebook can do as it pleases.

In fact even I could cobble an email to facebook about a particular COVID posting that would not be problematic.

"Dear Facebook, wondering if this posting meets your standard for a flag or not.

THE END.

 

[joko104]

Most progressives on the forum will more rush to the rescue of the richest white racist men and corporations on earth - mega billionaires who pay no taxes - than anyone else. Always.

You want to REALLY see most progressive Democrats go to bat for someone, criticize any Big Tech mega billionaires. After all, that is who completely controls them because they control all info outlets and the Democratic Party.

 

[joko104]

Rattlesnake worshipers claim the other side is against freedom of speech and the press now because they want Trump the Terrorist to be uncensored. Before he started thinking about possibly running for a political office, no Republicans even implied that kind of crap about any Democrats. Why not? Because Trump the Terrorist began leading the effort to violate 1A and free press laws.

By free press you mean people like Jeff Bezos, don't you? You know, who most progressive Democrats "worship."

 

[US&THEM]

According to the Press Secretary they are flagging posts about covid.

That was her statement?

 

[joko104]

FB has over 2 billion persons on their service, they are just fine.

The corporate free press of Nazi Germany had even a higher percentage of the German population and did great in the theaters, on the radio and at the news stand - your definition of free press in your messages anyway.

 

[jnug]

That was her statement?

Pretty close:
During a Thursday press conference, Psaki said White House senior staff were engaging with “social media platforms” to combat the spread of “misinformation specifically on the pandemic.”

“In terms of actions we are taking or that we’re working to take, I should say, from the federal government, we’ve increased disinformation research and tracking within the surgeon general’s office. We're flagging problematic posts for facebook that spread disinformation," she said.

Psaki added that the administration was also “working with doctors, medical professionals, and experts who are popular with their audiences” to get them “accurate information and boost trusted content.”

“We’re helping get trusted content out there,” she said. “We also created the COVID-19 community cord to get trusted information into the hands of local messengers.”

Psaki revealed that most of the anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms was originating from “12 people,” but she did not identify any people or pages.

 

[joko104]

More horse shit dumbassery from the Right.
When folks insist on getting their "news" from social media they are already in trouble as they clearly do not understand that all social media does with its algorithms is push at you the stuff you keep clicking on. THAT IS NOT NEWS. That is your own biases, filtered and shoved back at you. Social media is not a news source no matter how much some Americans want it to be.

That of course opens the door for the Donald Trumps, Tucker Carlson's, Ron Johnsons and the propagandists that support their efforts with their keystrokes to just inundate the audience with bullshit.

Its really pretty simple. All you need to draw massive attention on the Internet is to be provocative. All you need to be provocative is a good wordsmith. That is an English major for God sake. That is all you need. They can pump out provocative bullshit orders of magnitude faster than it would take an expert like a virologist or an epidemiologist to actually counter that crap. The expert HAS to counter with actual science, not bullshit. That is also why the social media giant claims that the Biden administration is being "so unfair" to them is also bullshit. They know how their algorithms work.

Combine the simple fact that all you need to attract clicks and likes in the first place is to be provocative with those algorithms and you have a ready made platform designed to misinform and that is the Biden administration's complaint. All they are asking the social media giants to do is not cut their algorithms loose on that provocative COVID vaccine crap. Nobody is really asking them to stop users from posting what they want to post as long as it is not inherently hateful or violent. They are being asking to stop feeding it to a willing and frankly dumb as a rock audience.

As for what to do about the Faux entertainers like Tucker and the rest of them pumping out straw man arguments claiming that the government'e efforts to get people to get vaccinated are the equivalent of FORCING people to get vaccinated, I don't have an answer for that one. The government is not doing anything more than an ad executive would do. Have we suddenly decided to be so SOCIALISTIC that we want to string up ad execs now. Sort of an odd position for Faux News to put itself in.

I understand you claim that people should only listen to the info outlets of the richest white racist men and corporations on earth - nobody else - and STFU with any questions too. Just do, think, say and follow all the other rules they dictate for their profits and power. KEEP YOUR PLACE, you fellow peasants a serfs.

This is what you are saying isn't it? Do ever THINK of questioning Jeff Bezos' Washington Post - as example.

 

[US&THEM]

The corporate free press of Nazi Germany had even a higher percentage of the German population and did great in the theaters, on the radio and at the news stand - your definition of free press in your messages anyway.

You don’t say. Wow

 

[jnug]

I understand you claim that people should only listen to the info outlets of the richest white racist men and corporations on earth - nobody else - and STFU with any questions too. Just do, think, say and follow all the other rules they dictate for their profits and power. KEEP YOUR PLACE, you fellow peasants a serfs.

This is what you are saying isn't it? Do ever THINK of questioning Jeff Bezos' Washington Post - as example.

You don't understand anything, particularly the positions I have offered in this thread. I never even implied any of the crap you are claiming you "understand" from me.

 

[joko104]

These people talking about free speech... who don't think or talk about "Responsible Speech".....

• I wonder how to they correct their kids who use abusive, misleading, or lying speech?

IF they do correct their kids, why can't they correct themselves.

Most of such types who push this delusions they can say anything they want,

• only want to promote the anti democracy right wing spins,
• speech tries to deny something to society or groups or someone;
• speech that want to try and stagnate or regress something,
• and they want to think they are covert in spinning their promotional white nationalist spins.

Thank goodness, Universities take a stand in not allowing such on their campuses. and hopefully social media takes a firmer stand against allowing such, because it is not 'Responsible Speech that Supports, Benefits, or Advances America's Democracy.

I bet you have Mao's Little Red Book memorized, don't you?

Summary of your message: "Thank goodness universities no longer allow students to ask questions other than to repeat what they were told to be able to better recite the professor and then prove total submissiveness in their papers and tests."

 

[joko104]

You don't understand anything, particularly the positions I have offered in this thread. I never even implied any of the crap you are claiming you "understand" from me.

I understand what you wrote in terms of reality. I don't think you do because none of that are your thoughts at all. You are not allowed to have your own thoughts. You might think the wrong things.

 

[joko104]

Donnie will soon figure out what things he really wants to spend his social media law suit grift money on and THAT will be the end of THAT suit....before he has to cut loose Discovery.

"Lets see, how many more golden toilets do I want?"
"Whats my hooker budget these days"

You know...stuff with redeeming qualities like that.

Joey will increasingly have to practice holding a pen without dropping it as others assist him writing his signature - most the richest white racist men and corporations on earth.

 

[US&THEM]

Joey will increasingly have to practice holding a pen without dropping it as others assist him writing his signature - most the richest white racist men and corporations on earth.

Wow, you are firing on all cylinders.

 

[joko104]

Wow, you are firing on all cylinders.

Wow, are you trying to prove in your messages that you are incapable of actual discussion and debate. Got me convinced.

My best vehicle has 12 cylinders, twin turbocharged. Yours? How many cylinders? lol

 

[US&THEM]

Wow, are you trying to prove in your messages that you are incapable of actual discussion and debate. Got me convinced.

My best vehicle has 12 cylinders, twin turbocharged. Yours? How many cylinders? lol

You are a rightwing cartoon.

 

[Nickyjo]

Press Secretary admits White House working with Facebook on removing claimed misinformation which violates 1st Amendment. First it's racist policies, now government suppressing free speech.

Mike Lee: White House colluding with Facebook 'looks like First Amendment violation'

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, on “America's Newsroom” Friday slammed the White House for flagging Facebook posts, claiming it "looks like a First Amendment violation.”

www.foxnews.com

You were ok til you got to the words “which violates 1st Amendment”. How does correcting false information in an emergency situation violate the 1st?

 

[Nickyjo]

So I guess you guys are fine with the government violating the 1st Amendment for which could include the news media. Which might also violate the freedom of the press if posts were removed from the press releases too. Wow, incredible. Not a surprise though for you guys.

It seems that the ball is in Facebook’s court to sue, if they believe their First Amendment rights have been violated. I imagine the ACLU would also be involved if they thought this was a violation. If people were posting that injecting bleach would cure the virus, could the White House object to that? How many bleach-injecting deaths would be required. If a tsunami is approaching a beach community and police are evacuating folks, but someone is broadcasting phony info saying it was a hoax, could the government approach the broadcaster?

 

[joko104]

You are a rightwing cartoon.

Have no clue what that means.

 

[RealityNow]

That would be for Facebook to decide. The government flagging and attempting to remove post is a freedom of speech issue. Now if it's a supposed "Responsible Speech" they need to go through the courts for that.

You cannot infringe on freedom of speech to claim responsible speech. That is something for the courts to decide.

the government does not have to remove anything from Facebook or any other social media, they can read it, as it exist and follow up as they need to, you forget that we live in a "governed system" and it has the ability to facilitate that by and through "regulatory process".... congress can establish regulation which can address false and misleading information, and establish federal penalty for its existence. Regulatory Compliance is and has always been a tool that is used to protect the public, as well as the nation.
Most people don't read enough to grasp or understand Regulatory Governance... if they did, they'd probably be less eager to say what the government can't do. THIS IS A GOVERNED SOCIETY, always has been and always will be. No place can have a Civic or Civil society without Governance, and within every form of Governance, there is Regulatory Governing Principles.

Conservatives don't seem to grasp that. as I said ... during Jim Crow so much was not enforced that led white people to think they could just do anything they want, by any means, at any time with regard for nothing but their whims. That's what white nationalism did to feed people the delusions of being superior to think they could just do anything and ignore the governance.

Well... we don't have a system that is as saturated as it once was with white nationalist white supremacist judges, that could choose to ignore things they did not want to address. The age of information, now... promotes "accountability".... and the delusion of white supremacy's expectation to do what their ancestry did, is not the format of society in this day and age, and that fallacy of white supremacy cannot over-ride accountability as it once could.
No matter how much Conservatives and Right Winger push their "antigovernmental" spin, and scream they want the government out of their lives, its just talk that is based in the vanity of their illusions of "supremacy"..
They will comply with Regulatory Governance or they suffer the penalties on the books for not doing so. they can certainly have that choice. and the penalties will give them what they get....

 

[Glitch]

Does the government do that? Delete posts off of Facebook accounts?

Under national security concerns, federal government could perhaps seize control of Facebook, for instance.

Actually, the government can't do that either. Like a good socialist fascist Truman attempted to seize the steel industry in 1952 and the Supreme Court slapped him down hard in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952). What the socialist fascist Obama did to GM and Chrysler also violated the US Constitution, and the aforementioned Supreme Court decision.

In this case Senator Lee is correct. If the government is colluding with Facebook on what to censor, then that would be a violation of the First Amendment on the part of government. Facebook can censor whatever it likes, but government cannot. Nor can government collude with private industry to encourage censorship.

Facebook and Twitter have clearly established reputations as being rabidly hardcore leftist, and only pushing that specific ideology 24/7 while censoring all opposition. They have that right, because it is entirely voluntary. Only rabidly hardcore leftists use those services. No one with a Facebook or Twitter account can ever claim to be conservative and be considered credible.

 

[US&THEM]

Have no clue what that means.

You say nothing but rightwing bs.

 

[eohrnberger]

I don't have to disprove anything.

You don't have to prove your assertions?

Facebook is not a state actor,

Just repeating the same sentence doesn't make it more convincing nor more substantiated. At least I've cited the argument for the social media companies being state actors. All we get from you is the same ad nauseum repetition.

The "pending" suit is not even filed in the right place and IMO donnie will drop it before it ever gets to Discovery. He is getting what he wants out of this...PR and more GRIFT.

Whatever.

Do you have the specific data to support the bolded above? A link to some data would be sufficient.

VAERS is the primary government-funded system for reporting adverse vaccine reactions in the U.S. Reports submitted to VAERS require further investigation before a causal relationship can be confirmed.​

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Every Friday, VAERS makes public all vaccine injury reports received as of a specified date, usually about a week prior to the release date.​

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Data released today show that between Dec. 14, 2020 and June 25, 2021, a total of 411,931 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 6,985 deaths — an increase of 872 deaths over the previous week. There were 34,065 serious injury reports, up 2,825 compared with last week.​

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Latest CDC VAERS Data Show Reported Injuries Surpass 400,000 Following COVID Vaccines

Via Children’s Health Defense This week’s number of total adverse events for all age groups following COVID vaccines surpassed 400,000, according to data released today by the Centers for Dis…

www.theburningplatform.com

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The CDC reports the same number of deaths as is being reported on in the article above, so that's tracking.

• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

As for not being able to sue the vaccine developers, that is the PREP act, invoked by the Donnie administration to protect vaccine developers and manufacturers from liability. If you don't like it, write Donnie a letter and tell him so.

Just underlying that there are a number of legitimate reasons that someone might not want to take the vaccine,. It's their choice to make, and there is little the government or you or anyone else can do about it.